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Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 13, 2024, 10:21:17 AMNo one in mind.  If he continues to be a 9 sack guy that plays mediocre run defense I think it will ultimately be considered similar to the Olivier Vernon signing. 

I hope he plays his best football over the next several years but just like the team hasn't drafted well, they haven't signed a lot of FAs that came in lived up to it either.  This is this regime's first big signing, but the lesser ones on the OL didn't work out too well thus far, so while I understand your sentiment, not sure I have any more confidence in the pro-personnel department than I have in the college scouting.

Really my biggest issue is that it feels like a little desperation on Schoen's and Daboll's part.  Its year 3 of the regime, and they took huge steps backwards last year and now have new coordinators that need new guys and the HC needs to turn things around to keep his job.  Just seems like familiar territory. 

Whether Jones's contract is there or not and its easier to digest his cap hit, its sill 60 million+ in cap space for 3 players on the DL over the next few years if Dex, Burns and Thibodeaux all stay put. Maybe 23% of the cap in one position group is healthy, it doesn't seem it to me, but the DL is pretty important, especially in a division with two of the best OLs in the league.

Bottom line is that I think this could work really well to have bookend DEs that can rush the passer and create a great DL, but I am skeptical.  Pass rushers are a lot better when a team scores a lot of points and has the lead.  Has the team done anything to date to make you think the offense will improve?  Further, what other moves need to be made on defense to fit the scheme?  Is McFadden going to fit this scheme?  How about the guys in the secondary?  Is it heavy man or zone? 

I am going to be skeptical until I see results. 

Great post. I think the Olivier Vernon callback is a fair caution. If Burns plays like Vernon, good but not great, I think he eventually gets traded or cut. And I'm in complete agreement with your concerns regarding the offense. The Giants took a shot here. They have a lot more work to do if they're going to turn this thing around.

Dillon and Singletary would be a nice one-two punch.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2024, 09:37:36 AMThe Giants could have signed Josh Allen for that sort of money and kept their draft picks

They should have drafted Josh Allen (the edge rusher) when they had the chance a few years back. I don't believe he's available but would love to have him if he is.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 13, 2024, 09:21:42 AMThe only way a team can have sustained success is through the draft.  If they can't draft well, that needs to be corrected rather than trying to work around the issue.

The Giants have to get better at scouting and player development. No argument from me. But investing draft capital in a proven edge rusher like Burns makes more sense to me than throwing another dart at a college pass rusher like Azeez, Elerson, Ximines, Lorenzo Carter, Odigi, Damontre Moore, Clint Sintim... the list of failed edge picks goes back 20 years before we get to a hit in Osi. We needed a better pass rush and we now have a better pass rush.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 13, 2024, 09:12:50 AMThe draft pick capital invested is a great value, the amount of cap space invested will remain to be seen.

Who did you want to use the cap space on? The team needs star players and those guys don't grow on trees. As it stands, it's a 3 year commitment to Burns, so he will need to live up to expectations if he wants to see the full contract paid out, and the cap hit is much easier to swallow once Daniel Jones is off the team next year.

I think we need to consider this trade with the understanding that the Giants are not good at the draft. When was the last time they drafted a player as good as Burns in the 2nd round?

Burns, Thibs, and Dex have a chance to be special over the next half decade. We needed to make a move like this.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2024, 10:39:15 PM1 elite team last year, the 49ers had an elite Rb and they didn't even pay most of his salary Carolina did.

They didn't invest a first round pick in McCaffrey either. They did what smart teams do which is to get a talented RB at a bargain.

Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 12, 2024, 05:26:21 PM3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

You're crediting 2024 rosters for what was done in 2023. In 2023 Gibbs was a committee back for the Lions and didn't lead the team in rushing but you elevated him to a league premier RB. Derrick Henry didn't play for the Ravens last season so what does he have to do with their success in 2023 which was achieved with a committee of RBs, two of whom were undrafted and the other was a fourth round pick. Meanwhile Derrick Henry's team finished 28th in offense and missed the playoffs.

The reality is 3 of the 4 championship game teams last season did not have a premier RB.

Quote from: JT39 on March 12, 2024, 04:07:18 PMI'm the opposite spectrum. I think a QB is now more in play and Jones will sit the entire year or possibly be a post June 1st cut.

If Schoen and company are smart, yes, I think you're right. But the Giants haven't made a lot of smart moves over the last decade or so. So who knows what they have planned.

Quote from: Giant Obsession on March 12, 2024, 04:39:17 PMDeVito will be gone by middle of training camp, if not sooner.

Coach Sparky ('we needed a spark") wants him out as soon as possible.

As long as we can find a way to move past the Daniel Jones era, I'm fine with whatever direction they go in. At least with DeVito there is a widely shared understanding that the team stinks and is only competing for draft position. With Daniel Jones we have the multi-year myth that this team can win a championship with him, complete with a pro-Jones marketing campaign that includes former Giants greats falling over themselves to tell us what we're seeing Jones do on the field isn't what's actually happening.

Jones, Lock, and DeVito? They better have plans to draft a QB next month.

Quote from: killarich on March 12, 2024, 10:25:03 AMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/C4ZXh4IteDf/?igsh=MWw1dnA0bGNubHFzMg==

He went full heel mode lol

Saquon should take a break from social media. He got his bag. He should just enjoy this accomplishment and stop reading the comments. It's not a good look for him. This reminds me of when LeBron signed with the Heat and leaned into the bad guy character. People aren't going to like you when you leave their team and that's fine. It's part of the business. He needs to grow up and let it go.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2024, 07:36:59 PMBrian Burns is a beast, what they don't tell you is that he was virtually the pass rush in Carolina, he had no help and so he was doubled constantly and still had solid numbers.

Andrew Thomas, who has first hand experience trying to block him, calls Burns an elite pass rusher.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 05:20:26 PMIf the offense doesnt improve I don't see how Daboll survives.  Even if they are playing a rookie QB.

The team seemed to be behind him last year as there wasnt an effort dropoff when they were out of it. If the offense continues to be one of the worst in the league, I doubt that is the case again.

Regardless its March and a lot can happen before September.   Right now I feel like this year is going to be a 2 or 3 win season but maybe Runyan takes a step forward and Neal becomes a competent RT and they have a decent offense. 

Sorry, but today has made me about as pessimistic as I get in the offseason.

If the OL additions don't work out, we're screwed.

So are they a better team on paper today than they were at the end of the season? It really comes down to whether the two OL work out, but I do think the roster is better today than yesterday. I'd rather have the edge rusher and extra help on the OL than to spend big on a safety and running back.