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Quote from: beaugestus on September 01, 2023, 12:16:28 PMI think we have to keep in mind that with all their numbers it's all in the past. Not to taking into account the experience it takes to learn how to play in the NFL. Along with the physical maturation these players in their early 20s will go through. As we have seen sometimes it's about how much they want it."heavily reliant on the run game" is PFF taking a swipe at Jones"ability to pass the ball.
Quote from: Gman329 on September 04, 2023, 10:38:21 AMMethinks the hook makes the Giants a good play. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if the hook is gone by game time and it goes off at 3.....or even 2.5. If you like the Giants get the play in now.Actually it's gone up to +5.5 in some spots
Quote from: Jclayton92 on September 04, 2023, 04:52:35 PMFirst off I think Hyatt is just giving Jones a compliment.So last year's regular season doesn't count?
Second there are still a ton of questions surrounding Jones, I don't know how anyone can act like there aren't. Yes he cut down on the mistakes and looked good in preseason, but lets have that translate to the regular season first before we decide that he's the only player we won't question as there are 100s of threads questioning every other player on this team.
Quote from: Symphony Steve on August 24, 2023, 11:46:25 AMWow. The 'genius' ex-DC of the Iggles couldn't figure out a way to use him?Apparently he showed zero effort in tackling a Kansas City player at the goal line. The Cards gave him away and wanted no part of him. So
Don't know what the Cardinals are doing, but this makes no sense to me. Especially with all the flotsam and jetsam on their roster.
Sometimes, someone w/o a position can be someone w/several positions, based on circumstances.
Quote from: True Blue on August 04, 2023, 12:46:55 PMI wanted Pickens as well, maybe they made a mistake down the line. But they clearly felt Wandale is a better fit and had a Round 2 grade on him. He started playing well his last few games, hopefully he gets healthy and makes the pick more justified.Let's also remember Schoen admitted to
Quote from: Fletch on June 05, 2023, 02:03:00 PMNot sure what you guys are really expecting. Ty Hill makes like 30 mil a year and plays w/ a QB on a rookie deal that makes like 1/4 that.Daniel Jones was last in turnovers among starting QBs last year. So much for your reference to him not being able to take care of the ball. As to conservative- DJ doesn't call the plays. They are game planned during the week with Kafka calling the plays during the game. There were numerous references this year and last from Daboll that a conservative offense was because of the WR depth and talent. When allowed to, DJ had the best downfield completion percentage of passes over 20 yards in years past.
He used to play for the Chiefs. WHo if they only got Golladay from free agency will complete the Quadfecta of having 4 former Giants WRs.
You have a QB making top 10 money and or 40 mil a year which is like double what Eli Manning made.
You can't have it both ways and say the Chiefs WRs suck but, surrounding cast makes up all the difference between players like Mahomes and Daniel Jones. Admittedly Mahomes would not look the same here. Admittedly Andy Reid really is hitting on all cyclinders. And yes their TE Kelce is great. But eventually you have to call a spade a spade. THere is only so far the Giants are going to go with a QB that either can't take care of the ball or becomes so conservative that he he passes for like 165 yards a game and not even 1 TD a game.
Quote from: BluesCruz on June 04, 2023, 05:30:56 PMUHHHHHHH he was our LEADING WR and he didnt play much WR until the injuries piled upKC has a Pro Personnel staff that scouts players from other teams. So you don't know if Andy Reid "wanted" him. He may have never heard of James or Toney until the GM and his Pro Personnel Dept signed them.
His production was back loaded like Hodgins
Whos to say how many yards Richie would have gotten if he played regularly all year
Andy Reid wanted Toney, he got him......he apparently wanted Richie and got him
Andy knows talent- love him or hate him
Quote from: jgrangers2 on June 02, 2023, 03:49:47 PMI think this is a fair point. The way we consistently analyze QBs just shows how little we truly understand how to. We rely on team accomplishments and judge them based on how much perceived talent is around them. Jones gets a boost because he is perceived to have little talent around him while a guy like Hurts has credit taken away because of how good the Eagles are. I know people who say Hurts is overrated and Jones is better. I know those same people would say the exact opposite if Hurts was drafted by the Giants and Jones was drafted by the Eagles and were the same exact player.Good take. On this thread alone, several said DJ has to throw for X amount of TD passes in order for him to take the next step. Now if you're playing fantasy football that will be true. But if DJ or any QB marches his team down the field completing six straight passes only to fall short at the one. The Giants then run the ball in for a TD. The QB doesn't get credit for the TD. Yet he did his job. This pattern continues for several more scores. Yet no TD passes for the QB.
When analyzing Jones' 2022, too many people ignore a lot of the obvious. The offense still wasn't good and certainly wasn't the catalyst for our season. The passing game was built on short, safe, high percentage passes. While it's great that he didn't turn the ball over a lot, a decent amount of that can be credited to the offensive game plan. There was very little explosiveness or risk taking in that offense all year.
The grand scheme of analyzing QB play is like 80% narrative and 20% actual analysis of play.
