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This shitshow started when Wink had some bad games and Daboll stepped in. There was a transformation and several games improved and impacted games and I credit Daboll. Wink's reaction however with his ego was stick to your side of the ball. You're the weak link.

Daboll pushed him out, knowing the firing of his boys without his blessing was a shot over his head.

I see him going to the Rams after he gave Mr. Generational a hand job.

If Harbaugh goes to the Raiders, Pierce is available but I think I like Frazier better.

You know that other thread about rating your confidence about The Giants future??  I am downgrading my "6" to a 3/4 now.

I could at least be proud of the defense at times this season. I guess if AP or Belichick came here then that would change things, but no way Belichick is Daboll's assistant.  It doesn't look good for Daboll in my opinion right now. With Jones the likely starter and Wink gone I expect 3-4 wins next year.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on January 08, 2024, 04:54:39 PMCompletely on board with this. Wink doesn't put his players in the best place to succeed. It's scheme over talent. I'd much rather have someone that's going to put thibs, Lawrence etc in a position to get after the QB.

Our Defense has a lot of good pieces, we should be able to attract a quality DC as people know they can thrive with that Defense.

Me too. 

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 08, 2024, 03:37:50 PMI guess the question now is will he get serious consideration for a HC job. My guess is no, but I could be wrong.

Its not Buddy Ryan that resigned !!

I'm not a huge fan of Martindale's defense (I think the league has figured him out, that's why Baltimore moved on), but at the same time, this much turnover on the coaching roster makes me wonder if we shouldn't consider just firing Daboll after all.

Quote from: Puffy on January 08, 2024, 05:41:04 PMMe too.

The reason for the interceptions and turnovers have more to do with mixing up schemes than sending the house. DB's with their back to the QB don't pick passes and they don't defend the run. Maybe Wink learned something here.

Let's see if he has an NDA or if he can vent and run his mouth

Quote from: files58 on January 08, 2024, 04:41:55 PMHere's a WILD thought. Bill Belichick. Here Bill the defense is yours. At 70 years old it may suit his needs now. Daboll worked for and won SB's with him. Instant credibility and respect.

At his age Bill might actually like coming back to the Giants with the only responsibility being to do what he does best. The problem is that I don't see him ever being comfortable as an assistant at this point. And every time Daboll has a bad showing, the rumbling will start about how his successor is waiting in the wings. Nope, won't happen. Nice feel good fantasy though.

I like Antonio Pierce and have a lot of respect for how he handled his time in Vegas as interim head coach, but it should be noted that he has never been an NFL defensive coordinator before. He was the linebackers coach there and then promoted directly to interim HC after the Josh McDaniels firing.

I'm not saying he wouldn't be a good DC, but the point of the matter is that this would be uncharted territory for him. There is a difference between being in the CEO role and being a defensive tactician who calls plays on every snap. It would be a speculative hire from a skillset perspective if they went in that direction. He has no experience or track record as a DC.

I know the connection is there, but there are other guys I'd rather have than Frazier. He just seems like a Patrick Graham clone and an easy solution for Daboll/Schoen. I hope they don't just settle for the familiar and try to get the old gang back together.

Quote from: Ed Vette on January 08, 2024, 05:22:13 PMThis shitshow started when Wink had some bad games and Daboll stepped in. There was a transformation and several games improved and impacted games and I credit Daboll. Wink's reaction however with his ego was stick to your side of the ball. You're the weak link.

Daboll pushed him out, knowing the firing of his boys without his blessing was a shot over his head.

I see him going to the Rams after he gave Mr. Generational a hand job.

If Harbaugh goes to the Raiders, Pierce is available but I think I like Frazier better.

If he goes to the Rams is that McVay giving the reach around?

Is Frazier automatically the best option just because he and Daboll used to work together and get along? I guess at this point, just simply getting along with Daboll is important as that seems like it might be a challenge for many people, but I have often found the Bills' D to be underwhelming given the talent and number of stars they have had in recent years. McDermott is also a defensive background HC, so I don't know whether that is a selling point or the opposite with Frazier.

I am not saying Frazier would be a bad choice, but if Daboll just hires him because they're buddies instead of having a more comprehensive look across the league and maybe finding an even stronger candidate, that will be disappointing. This is an ultra-competitive, cutthroat league where winning is everything. It is not a social club where you just give the job to your cronies because it feels comfortable. Daboll's job is likely to be on the line next season, so I'm hopeful that he gets this.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 08, 2024, 06:22:10 PMIf he goes to the Rams is that McVay giving the reach around?

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Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 08, 2024, 05:03:11 PMYeah, it's very confusing. There was another poster like this a couple years ago. Blanking on his screen name.

we refer to the poster from a few years ago as "he who shall not be named"

Coincidently his username started with Blue as well.

https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1744491171001389522

This speaks volumes.....and not about Wink.

But about Daboll it screams loudly.

Now if Kafka does the same thing and resigns ......