Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 12:39:40 PMThe Giants got a 2nd round pick for Leonard Williams.  Do you honestly believe they couldn't get a 3rd or 4th for Barkley?

Yes, I honestly believe there was no one willing to give up a 3rd or 4th for one of the least valued positions in football and for a guy who can't stay healthy and needed to be signed to a contract extension.

I don't see OBJ having an impact. They have 2 guys who will dominate targets, they have a couple of solid slot guys in Berrios and Cracraft, and they have a legit pass catching TE in Smith.

They would have been better served spending that money on their DL.

How Daniel Jones Won The NFL Draft
NFL DRAFT VIDEOS 4/30/24

Chase Daniel and Trey Wingo discuss the New York Giants' 2024 NFL Draft class and explain why QB Daniel Jones is the player who 'won' the weekend.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/how-daniel-jones-won-the-nfl-draft/

Quote from: Stringer Bell on Today at 11:41:00 AMI did. What does that have to do with a team's willingness to give up draft picks AND pay him?

The Giants got a 2nd round pick for Leonard Williams.  Do you honestly believe they couldn't get a 3rd or 4th for Barkley?

Quote from: Stringer Bell on Today at 12:34:11 PMThat's not what you said, though, and that's not what I opined on. Your statement was that "there absolutely was a market for Barkley."

And your last post is a good example of why my opinion is that perspective is off base. There are a whole lot of "ifs" and "normally" and "I'm assuming" for it to be the basis of a definitive statement that Schoen failed.

It was never intended to be a personal attack. Simply an opinion.

In my opinion there absolutely was a market.

In your opinion...

Quote from: Stringer Bell on Today at 12:12:03 PMWhen did I ever suggest that I'm not an armchair GM like everyone else? Further, there's a big difference in having an opinion on whether a guy should have been signed or not or who the right starter should be vs. making definitive statements that the Giants failed in trading someone when there's no evidence to suggest that any team was willing to trade for him. 2 completely different things.

I think it was reasonable to believe that there was a trade market among contending teams for a big name 26 year old offensive player who a few months later became the 4th highest AAV RB in the league. Perhaps the market was not as robust as the Giants were hoping, but I think the more likely explanation is they simply didn't want to trade him or weren't overly motivated to (for multiple reasons).

Could I be wrong, and in fact there was absolutely no market for him at all? Yes, but I don't think the above was an unreasonable assumption to make at all.

A final point is that our beat reporters generally know or at minimum have an informed sense when these kinds of discussions are happening, especially after the fact. I have not seen any reports that the Giants in fact tried hard to trade Barkley but couldn't find anyone interested.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on Today at 12:20:28 PMNo that's another incorrect assumption on your part. I won't speak for anyone else. My position is if Schoen called every GM of every contending team (excluding those with a healthy and premier RB) and no one wanted to give up a mid-round pick for Barkley, then Schoen did his job. However, if Schoen didn't do that then he failed to do the due diligence needed to create a market. Normally when you make calls to 12-18 GMs, there are numerous leaks that you're shopping the player. Since I didn't see reporting that that was the case, I'm assuming Schoen didn't do the work needed to create a market for a talented player.

That's not what you said, though, and that's not what I opined on. Your statement was that "there absolutely was a market for Barkley."

And your last post is a good example of why my opinion is that perspective is off base. There are a whole lot of "ifs" and "normally" and "I'm assuming" for it to be the basis of a definitive statement that Schoen failed.

It was never intended to be a personal attack. Simply an opinion.

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on Today at 11:59:19 AMTo Mighty's point some think finding a special talent at a position like QB is harder than finding a 'good enough' coach to coach him.

So I think there is some truth in what everyone is asserting here.

From what I have seen, the Giants have struggled just as much to find a proper replacement for Tom Coughlin as they have trying to replace Eli Manning (perhaps even more so)