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It's hard to envision a successful season next year with an injury prone Jones at the helm. I think we're slightly better defensively now than at the end of last year but even though we improved the offensive line losing Barkley really hurts. I don't think teams are going to lose sleep at the thought of stopping our run game. I see 6-7 wins.

I'm with Dave. I don't see much in the way of value even if four of the guys drafted start next year. To me value is drafting a guy who unexpectedly dropped to them. For instance Kool Aid McKinstry was a consensus top 10 pick this time last year. He almost made it to us at 47. That pick imho would have been tremendous value. I'll say this for Schoen and company, they don't reach for guys. Everyone they picked went in the range that they were projected to go.

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 06:58:34 AMThe elephant in the room is John Mara. It's obvious to me that Schoen partnered with him on passing on a QB. If Jones fails to elevate this team this season with the infusion of talent at WR, TE, RB and the FA Offensive Line upgrades, Schoen is safe for at least two more years. The only way Daboll would lose his job is if he imploded.

Mara has to pay Jones and there was no way he was going to sit this year out. Since as he said, they did everything they could to screw this kid up, his mindset had to be on giving Jones the support he needs to succeed. That's the only way a GM with no ties to Jones doesn't draft his own QB. All the BS about how Schoen took the job unconditionally, was all rhetoric because there was an understanding in place. They paid him knowing he would have at least two years to prove he's that Franchise QB.

The offer to move up for Drake Maye was weak. They knew the Pats needed a QB. They had no intention of ever drafting a QB. The signing of Drew Lock was their insurance policy.

Anyone who believes that Daboll and JJ McCarthy wouldn't have worked really didn't do their homework on that kid who has done nothing but win his whole life. I doubt Daboll was all in on this. If course he's no fool and knew how far to go.

So now, either Jones wows the football world, or Drew Lock gets his chance and if they both have nothin, say hello to Kurt Cousins in 2025.

Can you imagine the shitstorm around here if McCarthy becomes a regular pro bowler? Well, it won't be just "here."

I believe Nubian offered 1st round value, add to that his range and versatility makes him my pick.


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Quote from: Just_jimmy on April 27, 2024, 05:06:51 PM1.

Didn't get a franchise QB.  Can't win without one.



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Do you think that McCarthy was that guy?

I noticed two themes in the players taken


On the offensive side of the ball they looked for speed

On the defensive side of the ball they looked for smart players

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 08:33:47 AMI liked Odunze but he was more the safe pick (high floor/lower ceiling).  I think Odunze's ceiling is occasional Pro Bowls, while Naber's ceiling is perennial All Pro

I'm only saying that if Nabers and Harrison were gone, they would take Odunze and not McCarthy. The Giants are a "safe" pick organization.

Looking at the teams they play this season, I picked mediocre, and that was being generous. Of course that is now and then will be then. They play the AFC North where all the teams have good QBs except Pittsburgh, but they have a good coach who overcomes other things and finds a way to always keep his team competitive. In their own division, they, unless Philly continues on their free form collapse from the end of last season, they will have a rough time. And Washington, now with a new QB and coach, won't be the easy two wins they have been the past few years. In the NFC South, only Carolina is a sure win. The other teams will be a struggle. I think they also play Minnesota, Seattle and the Colts. All could be wins. Do the math now and what do you come up with 5-7 wins tops. If teams lose key players everything changes, of course. But you asked now.

I went poor because until we see it we just don't know.

I think there are enough pieces (with a likely veteran pick up post Monday) to field an average D and Bowen is competent enough to do that. It might be Pat Graham boring but I am OK if it is functional.

On O so much depends on Bricillo improving players individually and as a cohesive unit. If he can then I think we have enough playmakers post draft for Jones/Lock to get us into the 7-9 win range. Can at least one and ideally two of Neal, Ezeudu, JMS improve enough for the line to be league average? Too soon to know.

Quote from: katkavage on Today at 08:31:19 AMI have no doubt that if Nabers was chosen before the Giants, they would have taken Odunze. They were never going to take McCarthy at 6.

I liked Odunze but he was more the safe pick (high floor/lower ceiling).  I think Odunze's ceiling is occasional Pro Bowls, while Naber's ceiling is perennial All Pro