Big Blue Huddle

I am very sorry about your Father, King. I can't begin to imagine how difficult for everyone involved that must have been.

Quote from: kingm56 on July 23, 2021, 10:56:08 AM
Unlike abortions, the choice to vaccinate has clear impacts on others

I think the pro-life community would disagree with this point. They would surely regard the aborted fetus as an "other" who has been impacted by the decision to abort.

And therein lies the crux of the entire abortion debate. No point in going down that whole road in a football forum, however I think you are unlikely to persuade any pro lifers here that abortion does not also have "clear impacts on others."

Quote from: Slugs Narrows on July 23, 2021, 10:38:41 AM
And it

You guys have to admit, it's amusing that conservatives are now adopting the "my body my choice" line of reasoning in support of the anti-vaxers after decades of opposing that very viewpoint with their own anti-abortion view.

Quote from: Trench on July 23, 2021, 09:56:55 AM
This guy is a bit of a distraction

He seems like more of a ghost than a distraction at this point.

We don't know that much though. And I am largely in Bob's camp at this stage, just basically because I am generally a believer in innocent until proven guilty. I don't like to just assume the worst about people. With that said I do understand why some are concerned. And I myself would have preferred that his transition to life as a Giant would have been more seamless to this point than it has been.

If Toney is in fact displaying a bad attitude or a general lack of hunger, I hope that Judge is not taking a soft approach with him. Coughlin was notably harsh with rookies. He was old school that way. I hope Judge is reading him the riot act and threatening to bench him for a long time or possibly even get rid o him if he is not diplaying the right attitude. We don't know that that has been the case though. We are all working off pretty incomplete information at this point.

Quote from: jimmyz on July 23, 2021, 03:38:00 AM
Biden says you can't get sick if you get vaccinated.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/22/politics/fact-check-biden-cnn-town-hall-july/index.html

Wow.

Quote from: nb587 on July 22, 2021, 04:59:04 PM
The one thing that I keep coming back to is that the OL is such a question mark from top to bottom.  There is not 1 player that is even in the conversation as a sure thing much less a pro bowl type. I don

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 22, 2021, 03:04:14 PM
Dave,

I don't think anyone is arguing that he is likely to be or he is surely going to be a problem.  However, there are many of us who feel there is a reason for concern, with all the issues that have gone on.   I would add his retweet Cole Beasley's anti-vax message to the negative side of Toney's ledger  (won't it be great if Toney costs the Giants a game because he gets Covid and infects enough of his fellow players that the Giants have to forfeit?).  As for some of the other Tweets, I appreciate they could prove to be harmless, but I can't completely rule out that they could be red flags.

I would say if there weren't character issues with Toney coming out of college, it would be easier to dismiss everything.  Since he did have character issues, how things have gone since he was drafted has done nothing to assuage concerns.   For all I know, most of the "odd" behavior was the Giants hiding an injury issue Toney was dealing with (Giants don't have to give injury information this time of year). 

Hopefully in a week or two this whole issue will be behind us

I was never really clear on what his character issues were in college. I know there was some smoke there, but the only actual incident I read about was the gun thing, which the cops ultimately determined was not unlawful.

If Toney ends up being a bad apple, this won't be a good look for Judge. He was adamant in a post-draft interview that he and others did their due dilligence on Toney and determined that the character stuff was a non-issue and that he was a good kid. If that turns out to have been a poor read on their part, he'll be criticized for that for sure.

Just so I'm clear, the only thing that Toney has actually done (or not done) that can really be criticized is not showing up for OTAs, right?

Maybe I'm forgetting something. But the cleat thing was not his fault, and if he genuinely had a family emergency (I think it is only fair to believe him unless there is evidence or probable cause that he was lying), then missing some time at work is hardly grounds for criticism. The tweeting and rapping is not a problem until it somehow becomes one.

Am I missing something? This might be a tempest in a teapot...

Quote from: LennG on July 21, 2021, 07:36:12 PM
LOVED Rain Man. Cruise was good in this movie, but so overshadowed by Hoffman.

Absolutely. Hoffman stole the show in that. But I thought Cruise played his role impeccably as well. It wasn't nearly as difficult a role, but it was still a very strong performance.

Born on the Fourth of July was not an easy role, and he was very good in that too.

But overall I do agree that Pitt has probably exhibited a bit more range and more of a willingness to do edgier, less mainstream type films.

My two cents is I have not read a single post here suggesting that the vaccine should be legally forced on people, nor have I read a post suggesting that it is a good idea to not take it. I could be wrong, but I don't recall a single one making either of those points.

So it seems to me that the two "sides" in this thread are probably not as far apart on this issue as the level of vitriol would suggest they are.

Quote from: LennG on July 20, 2021, 08:03:44 PM
Agree completely. Couldn't have said it better myself.

Again, no ofre3nse to either of these actors, and I enjoy most of their movies and roles.

I would agree that Pitt has tried to expand his resume a lot more than say Cruise and has earned the respect of many in and out of Hollywood.

I think that is a good point. Cruise seems more inclined to put out the big box office, franchise, popcorn stuff than Pitt, who does seem to take more chances. Still, Cruise has some pretty acclaimed, serious roles under his belt though. Born on the Fourth of July, Rain Man, Magnolia, Eyes Wide Shut, etc. It's not like he's completely incapable of those more serious movies.

Quote from: ozzie on July 20, 2021, 01:31:08 PM
Not sure I agree Lenn.
Now I'm not pounding the drum to get Pitt an Oscar or anything, but I think he does have a more diverse career than people realize. If you're looking for more "serious / diverse" roles, he's also been in:
A River Runs Through it
Se7en
Meet Joe Black
Spy Game
Moneyball
Benjamin Button
He's done drama, action, comedy, sci fi, and most everything else in between. I just think he flies under the radar when discussing the "greats". Although, a lot of times people in all walks of life aren't appreciated for how good they do something until they're not doing it anymore.

I think Brad Pitt has been a very good actor of the past 30 years. Definitely a big box office, A-list, Hollywood mega-star of his day. I don't think he is any sort of all-timer though. I would say he is definitely good, but not truly great. I would probably say the same about Cruise. Good but not great. Nothing wrong with being good. There are plenty of actors of lesser ability than either of these two men who have still had very good Hollywood careers. These two are not truly great though. Nicholson is great. DeNiro is great. Hackman is great. I don't put either Cruise or Pitt in the same tier as those actors. They're a step or two down from those types of names.

Quote from: MightyGiants on July 17, 2021, 08:10:01 AM
I have been binge-watching Apple's Ted Lasso (Apple TV is dirt cheap).  It's a feel-good comedy that is really enjoyable.  I highly recommend it.

Agreed. Thoroughly enjoyed it. Very good show. Sudeikis is hysterical.

Quote from: Ed Vette on July 16, 2021, 10:05:22 AM
Any take on the Yankees who were vaccinated and now have Covid? One game PPD.

No question you can still catch covid if you are vaccinated. Rich Eisen is another example besides the one you mentioned.

The good news of course is that you are extremely unlikely to get dangerously ill if you have received the vaccine, even with the new variant. The data is very encouraging on this point:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/delta-variant-hospitalizations-covid-coronavirus-vaccine-immunity-11626374706?mod=hp_opin_pos_1