Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on Today at 04:14:20 PMI think it's pointless to judge either Lock or DJ right now.

Lock has been in the NFL for four years (28 games), and Daniel Jones has been the Giants starting QB for the last five seasons.

When would there be a point in judging them?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 09:16:58 PMHe only threw the ball 2 times beyond 20 yards the first 14 weeks of his best ever season in 2022.

Jones started 6 games in 2023, Devito started 6 and Taylor started 5 games.

Jones 6 Games started 33 10+ yards, 9 20+ yards, 1 40+ yard

Devito 6 games started 37 10+ yards, 16 20+ yards, 2 40+ yard

Taylor 5 games started 45 10+ yards, 19 20+ yards 4 40+ yard

For reference
Dak had 179 10+ and 62 20+ yards
Purdy had 167 10+ 72 20+ yards
Mayfield had 145 10+ and 60 20+ yard

So even if you gave Jones an extra game he'd still only average 27 which is nothing by comparison.

Jones yard per attempt was 5.7 while Devitos was 6.2, and Taylor's 7.5

For reference

Nick Muellen started 5 games and had a yard per attempt of 8.8 he also had 16 more passes than Jones of 20+ yards in 1 less game.

Easton Stick started 5 games and had a yard per attempt of 6.0 and he had 3 more passes than Jones of 20+ yards in 1 less game.

Clearly shows he has a deep ball problem and you can see in the same time frame both Taylor and Devito threw it deep more and bad back ups in the NFL threw it significantly deeper in 1 less game than Jones.

While I appreciate all of this data, it completely misses my point.

The most important question: "Why?"

It's easy to want to give Neal extra rope in May. I'm telling you right now, if he starts at RT in week one and he's a total disaster like he has been to this point, nobody in this forum or in this fanbase is going to want him there in week two when we have a totally respectable RT in Eleumenor.

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 05:17:45 PMI'm not sure I buy into this whole "Jones is scared to throw deep" narrative. 

He only threw the ball 2 times beyond 20 yards the first 14 weeks of his best ever season in 2022.

Jones started 6 games in 2023, Devito started 6 and Taylor started 5 games.

Jones 6 Games started 33 10+ yards, 9 20+ yards, 1 40+ yard

Devito 6 games started 37 10+ yards, 16 20+ yards, 2 40+ yard

Taylor 5 games started 45 10+ yards, 19 20+ yards 4 40+ yard

For reference
Dak had 179 10+ and 62 20+ yards
Purdy had 167 10+ 72 20+ yards
Mayfield had 145 10+ and 60 20+ yard

So even if you gave Jones an extra game he'd still only average 27 which is nothing by comparison.

Jones yard per attempt was 5.7 while Devitos was 6.2, and Taylor's 7.5

For reference

Nick Muellen started 5 games and had a yard per attempt of 8.8 he also had 16 more passes than Jones of 20+ yards in 1 less game.

Easton Stick started 5 games and had a yard per attempt of 6.0 and he had 3 more passes than Jones of 20+ yards in 1 less game.

Clearly shows he has a deep ball problem and you can see in the same time frame both Taylor and Devito threw it deep more and bad back ups in the NFL threw it significantly deeper in 1 less game than Jones.

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I'd make sure Neal had to play against someone decent. 

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Quote from: katkavage on Today at 04:42:37 PMI've never seen a correlation between the play at the end of one year and what happens the following year. Means nothing.

Unlike the 2022 Giants and the 2023 Giants.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 08:29:59 PMIf it were my decision, my leash for neal would be not much more than one game. The guy has had two years, and he's been awful the whole way. Enough. If he's not good at right tackle right away, he should be out. Elumenor did a totally solid job at that position on a bad team with a bad QB for our current new O line coach.

Enough with the kid gloves on Neal. The guy sucks, and he was a dick to the fans. One shot and he's out. He should probably already be out.

Understandable, I think I would give him two games just to make sure, and if he continues to struggle kick him inside, and definitely let Eluemunor start at RT.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on Today at 07:49:12 PMAgreed, but I would move Neal to LG. Seems like he played better on the left side in college, so being on the left side next to a Pro bowl Left Tackle could be the solution?

Good point, yeah I'd have no problem moving him to LG instead of RG, and then Runyan can kick inside on the other RG position.