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I think it's pointless to judge either Lock or DJ right now. I want to see what both look like with a better coached OL that is likely not coming close to giving up a historic 85 sacks and a WR core that now finally has what many think will be an elite WR1.

Too much muscle in a violent and sudden change of direction sport is not always a good thing. Aaron Wellman coming back hopefully will help with this faulty philosophy.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 02, 2024, 11:59:48 AMKevin Cole

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https://x.com/DanSchneierNFL/status/1786054520390266961

GM's generally shouldn't draft the lower impact positions top of round 1 (unless they have a HOF level grade and their 'greatness' transcends the lower impact of the position). However, once you get to round 2 and 35-40 picks in and you find a Kenny Phillips or a Xavier McKinney or a Chris Snee do you pass on them then too when they have a 10-year high level starter or multiple pro-bowls written all over them?


Secondly, the no-trades argument when Schoen has both traded up and traded down in the two drafts before AND it was quite evident they were heavily involved in trying to trade up for a QB in this one with an absolutely elite grade in Maye.

His argument is weak and seems like he is 'fishing ' to disparage Scheon and the Giants for click bait.

The 2nd part of Marc's quote should have been: 'But they certainly allow decent QBs to elevate their production.' or 'They certainly help prove who is a good QB or isn't'

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 02, 2024, 03:07:12 PMSimilar with Bellinger.

I had forgotten about his gun show.   

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 02, 2024, 02:02:51 PMI got excited when Ojulari came to OTAs jacked.  Since then, a player coming in jacked is not something I immediately celebrate

Similar with Bellinger.

Quote from: ViewFromSection129 on May 02, 2024, 12:42:48 PMFar be it for me to defend the Giants, as the last decade plus proves that they have been well behind average as a franchise, but this guy makes zero sense.  Take JJ just because positional value dictates a QB?  Take an OT and move him to ROT just like we did a few years ago?  And what, make trades to shake things up and be more inspiring?  This guy sounds like an idiot.

Sure, I could have made a good case to trade down in the first and get more picks and draft into the WR strength in the draft, but I give the Giants credit for not trading up, or not taking a QB at 6 they did not have convictions on.  They will be judged harshly if they missed on QB, but they didn't do the "easy" thing and pick a QB and try to do something with a player that they didn't believe in.

Not to mention the fact that it takes 2 to tango and we have no way of knowing if there even was the opportunity to trade down.  Just like it is apparent that there really was no way to trade up, since absent a ridiculous offer the Pats weren't trading.

Here is a good article on Jake Kubas


https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/new-york-giants/jake-kubas-lineman-undrafted-free-agent/

Quote from: GloryDays on May 02, 2024, 02:02:11 PMTommy seems to be quite under-rated because of his pre-nfl portfolio. I watched a couple of his games and I really think the kid has some special ability. He has a pretty good arm. He is accurate and throws some catchable balls. His pocket presence is excellent. He can buy time and hit the target running. If no one is open he tries to run or secures the ball for minimal loss. In the Washington game, behind that atrocious line, he was sacked 9 times, but was still able to throw some nice completions and win the game.
On the Jets game, I think, they tied his hands and he still almost won that game! He could have been 4-1, in 5 games with a lousy O line and average targets.

I agree. Some people just can't get past his lack of pre-NFL credentials but the eye test doesn't lie. I don't believe a Gardner Minshew type career is out of the question for him if he can land in the right situation. 

Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on May 02, 2024, 01:10:33 PMIf Tommy is the long term answer, we are asking the wrong question.

Remember there was no tape on Cutlets and now there is some and every team that is scheduled to play us will be breaking it down. The sophomore slump is real. He's a UDFA. If anything, he's already far exceeded expectations. Enjoy the ride but no, he is not the QB of the future. He will soon be 26 years old. If we can get a young cheap QB2 next year will. I can see Lock being the starter in 2025, until our rookie QB is ready to start. Ewers or Beck or whomever it will be. Cutlets will be remembered for the Italian memes; he gave us some fun games in a season that has been abysmal. After 2024 the Giants will turn the page