Big Blue Huddle

I am curious how this board is leaning 24 hours before draft.

I voted for Maye, but it's conditioned on the Giants staff believing he will be a franchise QB.

As much as I would love to fill the long and crippling hole at number one WR, you have to take a potential special QB when you can (and you are not sure you already have one for the foreseeable future)

EDIT TO ADD:  this is also conditioned the OP which says the player is available at 6, no trade up required

Personally, I don't want to take a QB. That's either next year's problem, or one down the road a few years. So it's WR all the way for me. I see Maye as DJ 2.0, and JJ as a top 15-20 QB in the NFL. None of the QBs "awe me"

So, it's a toss up between Nabors and Odunze. As a person who takes way to many risks, I'd give my nod to Nabors as he can break a game wide open at any given moment. But I'd be happy as heck with Odunze who is more of a technician...IMHO

Thanks for your thoughts.  I am kost interested in seeing the voting between QB vs WR.  How interested is this board in these QBs versus these WRs?

Quote from: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 01:29:08 PMThanks for your thoughts.  I am kost interested in seeing the voting between QB vs WR.  How interested is this board in these QBs versus these WRs?

My problem with Maye (and I know I could be completely out to lunch), is that I like that he is tall and cerebral. But he doesn't have a lot of "good tape" on him from all I've read, and he's not ever going to be a threat to run as he's not considered a mobile QB...hence, requires superb protection and precision route running by his receivers

I hope everyone here votes as it would be very interesting to see everyone's thoughts.

Maye all the way.

So far 9-7 on QB vs WR.  Interesting. 

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 24, 2024, 02:03:55 PMMaye all the way.

I'm not a fan of maye, I like Mccarthy more but would be happy with either because they would be Daboll's choice assuming they go that way. So I'd be ecstatic with Maye knowing it was the guy Daboll thinks is elite.

Got to be a QB. And I trust that whatever QB they choose, they are confident enough to feel he can be a franchise QB. Much much easier to find a receiver than a QB.

I chose Maye.  On a side note, should this scenario play out it would mean one, maybe two surprises in the first five selections

This is great!  Obviously highly unlikely but I like the options given here because this really makes you think.  Where the Giants are positioned if they don't trade that decision is likely going to be made for them and it's probably going to be a WR.  Whichever one they prefer. Putting these options on there makes you draw a line in the sand not just WR vs QB but which one. 

And I voted McCarthy.  It really gave me pause looking at those WRs and knowing just how hard it is to get a guy like that. It's why the Lions backed up the brink truck to Amon Ra St-Brown's house today. I certainly will not be disappointed with either one of those WRs. 

But ultimately for me I wondered if they don't take a QB now when will they?  Jones is bad but he's not Zach Wilson bad where they will be right back in the top 5 if he plays most of the season.  They'll likely be in the 8-12 range.  Where it would cost too much to move up and get a QB.  So then what?  Jones again not just this season but the one after?  So we can do that same dance again at that time?  Or wait for him to get hurt and hope that it happens early enough in the season so that they don't win any games with him before he goes down? That doesn't seem appealing to me.  So I say if no trades and those options are there I go QB and I like McCarthy over Maye by a bit of a margin. 

Love everyone's feedback.  This is great.  I voted for JJ.  Am surprised at all the Maye love especially versus the WRs however we really need a QB as well.

If we go QB, DeVito will be cut. That includes taking Penix or Nix in the second, or Rattler in the third, or a flyer late. The order will be DJ starter, Lock backup, new QB (insert name here). They are not about to hand the keys to the Giants fortunes to a rookie. Furthermore, we have a shot at one of the three WRs who are the best in recent memory, and there's no chatter at all about upcoming classes in the college ranks. Unlike Harrison, who has been touted since he started college ball, and the other two who have been oft mentioned throughout their career as Uber-talented, "once in a lifetime" type WRs. We might not get a another shot at a no.1 WR for quite some time

Just thinking out loud as a fan and not a professional analyst working for a team. Heavy decisions await Schoen tomorrow. I will be sitting on the edge of the couch with bated breath...would be chewing my nails if I was a nail biter  :ohno:

"They are not about to hand the keys to the Giants fortunes to a rookie." That is the idea, but I wouldn't call what those keys hold a fortune. This is a rebuild. You start with the QB if you can get him. Receivers are useless without a QB. Team building begins with the QB, then the offensive and defensive lines, followed by linebackers and defensive backs, with receivers and running backs the last of the pieces. 

I voted Odunze

I am surprised Odunze is leading Nabers.  Wonder if it is:

1. Nabers size vs Odunze's size for X

2. Odunze considered A+ character

3. Is Nabers really more of a slot/z?

Quote from: Philosophers on April 24, 2024, 06:33:46 PMI am surprised Odunze is leading Nabers.  Wonder if it is:

1. Nabers size vs Odunze's size for X

2. Odunze considered A+ character

3. Is Nabers really more of a slot/z?

Honestly if we do go wr I want a guy that is going to go up and fight, be a monster, and catch everything. That just seems more Odunze than Nabers.

He seems like AJ Brown if Brown was a true X.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2024, 06:55:11 PMHonestly if we do go wr I want a guy that is going to go up and fight, be a monster, and catch everything. That just seems more Odunze than Nabers.

He seems like AJ Brown if Brown was a true X.

Yeah I agree with you.  A no doubt the ball is mine guy.

If I can vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE--trade back for more value

I voted Odunze over Nabors, but would be ok with Maye if the staff is sold on him.

I voted for Maye. He would be my personal preference although I'll be the first to admit I've been wrong plenty of times about judging which college QBs will be good in the pros. So if we end up with McCarthy I will be fine with that too, as I will choose to assume our front office and head coach both have a very high opinion of him and his potential. And I would expect them to feel the same way about Maye if that's who we end up with. And if we end up with someone who plays a different position, I'll be ok with that too. The last thing I want us to do is draft a QB we are not passionate about just to tick a box.

Quote from: GloryDays on April 24, 2024, 06:59:33 PMIf I can vote for NONE OF THE ABOVE--trade back for more value

That's the problem with this draft, there's not much value to be had past pick 12.

Maye-DAY Maye-DAY!!! :laugh:

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 24, 2024, 07:22:56 PMI voted for Maye. He would be my personal preference although I'll be the first to admit I've been wrong plenty of times about judging which college QBs will be good in the pros. So if we end up with McCarthy I will be fine with that too, as I will choose to assume our front office and head coach both have a very high opinion of him and his potential. And I would expect them to feel the same way about Maye if that's who we end up with. And if we end up with someone who plays a different position, I'll be ok with that too. The last thing I want us to do is draft a QB we are not passionate about just to tick a box.

I am with you.  Once this draft ends, I will be 100% behind whomever they pick and I won't doubt the pick.

After 39 votes roughly 61% QB vs 39% WR with Maye having more than 3:1 ratio of votes over McCarthy.

I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if JJ is the pick and Maye is also available.

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 25, 2024, 10:36:31 AMI can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if JJ is the pick and Maye is also available.

I'd prefer it!  I think that would be exactly the right thing to do!

Quote from: Gmo11 on April 25, 2024, 10:44:48 AMI'd prefer it!  I think that would be exactly the right thing to do!

I'd be pretty pumped to get either without having to make a trade.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2024, 02:58:24 PMI'm not a fan of maye, I like Mccarthy more but would be happy with either because they would be Daboll's choice assuming they go that way. So I'd be ecstatic with Maye knowing it was the guy Daboll thinks is elite.

I am the exact opposite - I am not a fan of McCarthy and like Maye more.

With the caveat of these players all being there at 6 and we keep 47, I go Maye over the receivers.  There will be some good receivers at 47 (and drafting a QB in first mandates getting a receiver at 47, IMO).  I also like Maye at 6 and redshirting him. Let him cook with Daboll and Kafka for a year while sitting behind Jones and then, hopefully, handing him keys in 2025.  Maye and Polk (WR, Wash) is a, potentially at least, home run draft.

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 25, 2024, 10:36:31 AMI can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth if JJ is the pick and Maye is also available.

Not from me. I've been vocal about JJ as my guy since day one also. However, I wouldn't be disappointed with Maye either.  I think we HAVE to get one of the top 4 QBs.

Sent from my SM-G991B using Tapatalk

Given the responses of over 50 people to this survey and the lack of a super high preference out of the four available, it is clear there may be a lot of very unhappy folks.

I suspect the unhappiness will be less at WR as folks voting for a WR may not mind the other as much however it could be much different at QB with a clearer preference to Maye.

Quote from: Philosophers on April 25, 2024, 01:01:18 PMGiven the responses of over 50 people to this survey and the lack of a super high preference out of the four available, it is clear there may be a lot of very unhappy folks.

I suspect the unhappiness will be less at WR as folks voting for a WR may not mind the other as much however it could be much different at QB with a clearer preference to Maye.

I don't have  clear preference between JJ and Maye, so I'll be happy with either. The only QB of the 6 always mentioned I won't be happy with is Nix. I'd be shocked if the Giants took Penix. And yes, I'll be unhappy if the Giants draft a WR at 6, no matter how good he might be. When a team is rebuilding, taking a WR is a luxury that it cannot afford, especially if there is a void at the most important position on the field.

Have the Giants ever draft a WR at #6 or earlier? Ike Hilliard was taken 7th overall.

Anyone not named McCarthy.

Cheers!

Quote from: Painter on April 25, 2024, 03:16:53 PMAnyone not named McCarthy.

Cheers!

Really? So you don't think he's got the juice?

Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 24, 2024, 07:56:57 PMThat's the problem with this draft, there's not much value to be had past pick 12.

If you are correct, this would be a quite unusual and weak draft. I believe every team needs to get minimum 3 quality starters out of each draft, in order to sustain their team's strength and replenish their 52 man roster!!

 :doh:

Quote from: GloryDays on April 25, 2024, 03:46:58 PMIf you are correct, this would be a quite unusual and weak draft. I believe every team needs to get minimum 3 quality starters out of each draft, in order to sustain their team's strength and replenish their 52 man roster!!

Multiple reports have that  :sick: most GMs only have 12 prospects with 1st round grades and only 90 prospects with draft able grades. So this might be the worst draft ever to trade back.

Quote from: TONKA56 on April 25, 2024, 03:39:59 PMReally? So you don't think he's got the juice?

No more than folks here, including moi, think that about Daniel Jones. And I'm not as sure about DJ.  =))

Cheers!