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Quote from: spiderblue43 on Today at 03:10:46 PMOBJ now is in prime position for another boat party in the bay. Hello again South Beach ⛱️ 😎

"Hello Yacht Club, my old friend..." 

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:56:38 AMTim, having a difference preference for a title is not the same as "misleading".  Seeing something differently than you doesn't make it misleading, it makes it a different perspective

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:31:13 AMTim,


Is there anything easier to ignore than a mean Tweet about you on Twitter?

In my view, it's not an issue of the stars making a clean break... it's a misleading title.

I would have said something like, "Jilted Fans Still Mad At Saquon"

Saquon was minding his business at a basketball game and they showed him on the screen and TV. Fans go after him on X, but the title of the thread is "Why do former NYG stars struggle to make clean breaks?"   

D) Neither upset nor unhappy.

I trust what Schoen has done and understand what he inherited isn't going to be fixed easily. He knew he had a tough task and he's up for the challenge. I'm just along for the ride. Unless and until he turns into Gettleman, I'm in his corner.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 02, 2024, 10:23:18 AMOdds are that we either are horrible or we do just enough to have ppl clamoring for Jones yr 7. Anything less than 4,000 and 20tds as a threshold and we need to rip the band aid off and move on for everyone's sanity.

He can throw that and the team could still have a poor record. Middle of the pack and we're not in a good position to draft a top QB again.

Tied for last or tied for first. Everyone's record is 0-0.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 02, 2024, 07:53:26 AMThere could be some cause for optimism. It was reported that Lock wasn't serious enough about putting in the work t get to the next level but last year there was marked improvement. Maybe Daboll saw something in him. For sure he would drive the ball downfield.

As for Tommy, another year in the system and an off-season to prepare, might make him more effective. He was just thrown in there LY. The key will be if they carry three QB's this season.

With our organization's history of injuries, they'd be foolish not to.

I think Cutlet's change of agents may also prove beneficial to him.

Only stat that concerns me is the W-L record.

I'm going a little conspiracy theory on this take...

Because of the tension between Daboll and Wink, maybe Wink didn't want to play any more of Daboll's 'guys' from Buffalo.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:52:58 AMI guess that is where we differ.  I see examples of DJs being capable of being franchise QB.  I think his performance against the Vikings and even his record-setting performance against the Cards last season showed that he can be that franchise QB.   Of course, showing flashes and doing it consistently are two separate things.  Everyone sees things a bit differently, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I think that's the difference between being a franchise QB and not.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:38:33 AMTim,

You know I choose my words carefully.  Do you think "a sense" is the same as knowing?  When I use the words "a sense," one is less than certain.   When one is less than certain, it should limit the strength of one's statements.   I have always held the position that we can't be certain about DJ being a bust and that there is still some potential (admittedly a bit of a long shot at this point) that he can even prove to be a franchise QB.   

Speaking strictly about *our* conversations, I never said he was a bust but I also said that he has not shown any traces or tendencies of being a franchise QB. He's the very definition of an average QB who is not capable of putting his team on his back and dragging them to a victory. He can get 7-9 wins but doesn't offer anything to get 12-15. He is a step down from Ryan Tannehill but with legs.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:30:59 AMTim,

I think there is a nuance on this issue.  In a dysfunctional environment, every, or nearly every, QB will look bad.   In a poor environment, people should factor in the poor environment (many do not).

More importantly, the ability to properly evaluate a quarterback is really the purview of that quarterback's coaching staff.  As Daboll once said, people don't know the play calls.  An apparent open receiver may be meaningless because they ran the wrong route.   The fact of the matter is that we can get a sense of QB play by watching the games (or better yet, reviewing the all-22 with an informed eye), but no one outside the organization can evaluate with a strong degree of certainty (lacking the play calls and the QB's instructions).

And this is where we have and continue to disagree. No need to rehash it. Just thought it was curious that you said "I believe even with disparate support, we can get a sense of how good another QB is", which is exactly why I and others have been saying.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 01, 2024, 09:19:32 AMI will admit that some of that is assuming that Jones is healthy and will get a chance to operate in at least a minimally supportive NFL quarterback environment this season.  Plus, we have 2022, where DJ did operate in a less-than-ideal, but at least not dysfunctional (like 2023) environment.  Much like Schoen and Daboll were able to evaluate Jones enough in 2022 to give him his big contract.

I have been saying this every single year Jones has been in the league: he can be evaluated despite what support he has or doesn't have around him. I got a lot of pushback from you and others saying that it was too difficult to evaluate him because of the lack of quality NFL support.

Seems to me the ability to evaluate a player is subjective.

Quote from: kartanoman on May 01, 2024, 09:15:08 AMP.S. Joe Schoen revealed his draft strategy and went with plan 1B (Nabers) after taking a crack at 1A (Trading up with NE for pick 3). I think his intent was clear regarding Jones' replacement vs. giving him a real receiver plus fixing the offensive line this off-season.

100% this.

I also wanted to get a replacement for Jones but my caveat was that it had to be someone Schoen and Daboll had the utmost confidence in that he could be the franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. They made a play for him and it didn't work. And I'm 100% OK with how the draft shook out for us.