Id say he falls somewhere in the Barry Sanders family of RB styles. Low to ground, ellusive and capable of breaking tackles by spinning out of the grasp of defenders.
He would benefit from a bit more leg strength but that can be remedied in the weight room as did Tiki who eventually was doing 1000lb leg presses and squats. Have no idea where Grey compares to Tiki leg strength which was off the charts.
Tiki wasnt a speed demon nor is Grey but both fast enough.
Given the state of our Oline and the fact it was his 1st real chance to get in some field time, he looked very promising IMHO.
Could be we have found a reasonable candidate to replace Barkley down the road. Hopefully he will have better pass catching skills than Saquon. In the case of both players, the QB needs to lead them better on pass routes. Jones has a tendency to throw a lot of passes behind the targets. That too needs to be worked on.
I dont expect TT to last very long on Sunday, he takes too many hits. Looking forward to see what this DeVito kid can do. A local guy here in NJ.
Grey was one of the few bright spots I saw in the last game. He, Pinnock and Okereke all caught my eye.
I was beginning to give up on Okereke but he finally showed up. Msybe he needed some time to aclimate
to Winks defense.
The Giants have a lot of new moving parts from last season. Hopefully Okereke's rise will be echoed throughout the team. One can hope
I think the Giants arrow is beginning to point up after hitting rock bottom in NFL power ratings
You do realize
A) his name is Eric Gray with the letter A not E.
B) He only had 25 yards, on 12 carries... he legitimately averaged 2.1 yards a carry.
C) also not very sure were you got that he was elusive. The guy runs a 4.56 forty with a 6.5 RAS score.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 14, 2023, 09:49:26 PMYou do realize
A) his name is Eric Gray with the letter A not E.
B) He only had 25 yards, on 12 carries... he legitimately averaged 2.1 yards a carry.
C) also not very sure were you got that he was elusive. The guy runs a 4.56 forty with a 6.5 RAS score.
Thanks I fixed the name. As for the yardage. I agree.
My point is he looked promising. I like his running style. With a good oline opening holes and a bit more time in the weight room he may be a great find
Remember it was his 1st real game chance. He can build on that. If I were Schoen I would deal Saquon while he still has value.
The Giants should go to the RB rotation most other NFL teams use these days
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 14, 2023, 09:49:26 PMYou do realize
A) his name is Eric Gray with the letter A not E.
B) He only had 25 yards, on 12 carries... he legitimately averaged 2.1 yards a carry.
C) also not very sure were you got that he was elusive. The guy runs a 4.56 forty with a 6.5 RAS score.
I'm with you. Promising??? Hmmm.
He's a one cut back. The anti-Barry Sanders in running style.
::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Philosophers on October 14, 2023, 10:44:34 PMI'm with you. Promising??? Hmmm.
He's a one cut back. The anti-Barry Sanders in running style.
Sometimes I think he types this stuff and is laughing his ass off as he hits send. Barry Sanders 🤣
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 15, 2023, 08:45:20 AMSometimes I think he types this stuff and is laughing his ass off as he hits send. Barry Sanders 🤣
Agreed. Clear trolling to liken Eric Gray to Barry Sanders. About as obvious as it gets. I've stopped rising to the bait.
Barry Sanders I think was tongue in cheek.
But I agree Gray ran hard and made good cuts. Reminds me of Bradshaw
He apparently pleased the Coaching Staff to move him up the depth chart with his ability to block in pass pro.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 14, 2023, 10:44:34 PMI'm with you. Promising??? Hmmm.
He's a one cut back. The anti-Barry Sanders in running style.
One Cut?? where is that coming from? You only get one cut before you're in the scrum
as Denver Coach Mike Shanahan used to say- We will open 2 holes for you
choose one and go through it......or you will be benched
Many of our backs in the past have danced- unable to make their minds up. This kid does not seem to have that issue
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 15, 2023, 08:45:20 AMSometimes I think he types this stuff and is laughing his ass off as he hits send. Barry Sanders 🤣
I think you mis-read my intention Ed
All that spinning was a trait of Barry's plus both guys are low to the ground
I never said he had Barry Sanders potential, just his general style
We are very quick to dismiss non Barkley RBs. I see potential in Gray, and I think Daboll does too.
He gave him a lot of field time last week
Quote from: BluesCruz on October 15, 2023, 11:30:21 AMI think you mis-read my intention Ed
All that spinning was a trait of Barry's plus both guys are low to the ground
I never said he had Barry Sanders potential, just his general style
We are very quick to dismiss non Barkley RBs. I see potential in Gray, and I think Daboll does too.
He gave him a lot of field time last week
Gray is a one cut RB. Not even remotely close to Sanders style.
I think I'm spinning after reading this thread. I was thinking Joe Morris myself.
Peace!
Quote from: kartanoman on October 15, 2023, 01:13:23 PMI think I'm spinning after reading this thread. I was thinking Joe Morris myself.
Peace!
And Gary Brightwell is the second coming of Eric Dickerson.
Quote from: BluesCruz on October 15, 2023, 11:30:21 AMI think you mis-read my intention Ed
All that spinning was a trait of Barry's plus both guys are low to the ground
I never said he had Barry Sanders potential, just his general style
We are very quick to dismiss non Barkley RBs. I see potential in Gray, and I think Daboll does too.
He gave him a lot of field time last week
thats not my impression
he was drafted as an open field runner with the ability to make ankle breaking cuts
Where did you get the "one cut" info from?
Have you seen his highlight reel?
Gray was a very dangerous RB in college....the only knock on him was he did not have track type speed
we have 3-4 pretty good RBs IMHO
the problem is when Barkley is available they never spell him, and he often fades in the second half (or gets injured)
Daboll has not proven to be an offensive juggernaut playcaller. He is way too conservative
Quote from: BluesCruz on October 15, 2023, 01:59:04 PMthats not my impression
he was drafted as an open field runner with the ability to make ankle breaking cuts
Where did you get the "one cut" info from?
Have you seen his highlight reel?
Gray was a very dangerous RB in college....the only knock on him was he did not have track type speed
we have 3-4 pretty good RBs IMHO
the problem is when Barkley is available they never spell him, and he often fades in the second half (or gets injured)
Daboll has not proven to be an offensive juggernaut playcaller. He is way too conservative
Daboll uses the tools he has. He was hardly conservative in Buffalo.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 15, 2023, 02:06:55 PMDaboll uses the tools he has. He was hardly conservative in Buffalo.
as we play all these teams with pre-snap motion, pitchout reverses, etc
Our offense looks like an antique
The biggest issue we have on offense is the lack of proven talent. Our only proven good players on that side of the ball are Barkley and Thomas, both of whom have missed meaningful time. Everyone else is either not very good or, at least, has never proven that they are. So it's hard for me to blame Daboll. The guy is a respected play caller and play designer.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 15, 2023, 02:14:43 PMThe biggest issue we have on offense is the lack of proven talent. Our only proven good players on that side of the ball are Barkley and Thomas, both of whom have missed meaningful time. Everyone else is either not very good or, at least, has never proven that they are. So it's hard for me to blame Daboll. The guy is a respected play caller and play designer.
no excuses please...my eyes tell me different....the Giants play scared
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 15, 2023, 02:14:43 PMThe biggest issue we have on offense is the lack of proven talent. Our only proven good players on that side of the ball are Barkley and Thomas, both of whom have missed meaningful time. Everyone else is either not very good or, at least, has never proven that they are. So it's hard for me to blame Daboll. The guy is a respected play caller and play designer.
I see a limited playbook and pace of play. If he changes pace of play, it's to run the same 1-2 plays.
He and Kafka are not using the entire playbook.
Also why are checkdown WRs not running routes at the first down marker but instead are only 4-5 yards out?
Quote from: BluesCruz on October 15, 2023, 02:17:25 PMno excuses please...my eyes tell me different....the Giants play scared
Noting that we don't have enough talent is not excuse-making. That is reality. Putting it all on the playcalling is making excuses.
The biggest knock on Gray is that he struggles with the initial level. He had holes you could drive a truck through at OK.
According to Pro Football Focus, Gray posted a phenomenal 90.6 grade in 2022 after grading out at 76.4 in 2021 and 77.8 as a sophomore at Tennessee in 2020.
He also posted an 83.2 grade as a receiver in 2022 after grading out at 79.2 in 2021 and 81.3 in 2020, and led all Big 12 Conference runners with 44 carries of at least 10 yards.
Gray said at his pro day in late March that he would continue to incorporate a variety of styles in his own game.
"I watched a lot of guys, going all the way back to Gale Sayers," Gray said. "I've watched him play. I've watched Walter Payton and how tough he runs. Emmitt Smith and the way he can bounce off tackles. Barry Sanders and his speed and elusiveness.
"Coming out of Tennessee, I got a lot of Alvin Kamara comparisons. Looking at his game, you look at how he can manipulate a defense coming out of the backfield. So I try to steal something from everyone's game and put it into mine."
I like this kid
So far Gray has 25 rushing yards on 12 carries and 1 catch for 1 receiving yard. Obviously, that's not a meaningful sample. I look forward to seeing him continue to battle for more opportunities in this offense. As of yet, he has not stood out in any way.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on October 15, 2023, 07:03:27 PMSo far Gray has 25 rushing yards on 12 carries and 1 catch for 1 receiving yard. Obviously, that's not a meaningful sample. I look forward to seeing him continue to battle for more opportunities in this offense. As of yet, he has not stood out in any way.
Stat wise I agree. But my eyes have been relatively happy with him only because of the way he runs, hits a hole without hesitation and it appears he is a fighting back. I could be wrong. But what I see I do like
In the kicking game he's no Mel Gray
Quote from: BluesCruz on October 15, 2023, 06:50:45 PMAccording to Pro Football Focus, Gray posted a phenomenal 90.6 grade in 2022 after grading out at 76.4 in 2021 and 77.8 as a sophomore at Tennessee in 2020.
He also posted an 83.2 grade as a receiver in 2022 after grading out at 79.2 in 2021 and 81.3 in 2020, and led all Big 12 Conference runners with 44 carries of at least 10 yards.
Gray said at his pro day in late March that he would continue to incorporate a variety of styles in his own game.
"I watched a lot of guys, going all the way back to Gale Sayers," Gray said. "I've watched him play. I've watched Walter Payton and how tough he runs. Emmitt Smith and the way he can bounce off tackles. Barry Sanders and his speed and elusiveness.
"Coming out of Tennessee, I got a lot of Alvin Kamara comparisons. Looking at his game, you look at how he can manipulate a defense coming out of the backfield. So I try to steal something from everyone's game and put it into mine."
I like this kid
College PFF? Lol
Gray ran for 1 yard for a first down. First ballot HOFer. =))
Quote from: Philosophers on October 15, 2023, 10:00:31 PMGray ran for 1 yard for a first down. First ballot HOFer. =))
The Barry Sanders comparison is uncanny
Quote from: True Blue on October 15, 2023, 10:12:14 PMThe Barry Sanders comparison is uncanny
Yeah I must have missed his lateral cut then spin.
All I'm saying is give the kid a chance
Barkley runs for 1-2 yds or negative yds so often it makes me want to vomit
Unless you open a lane for Barkley he is the worst RB on the roster.....with a lane in the secondary he is admittedly spectacular. THat only happens a few times per game
I'm going to re-name him "Mr 1 YD"
Also why were there no blockers in front of Barkley on his ill fated 1st half stop
or why not use his patented leap there
the play was ugliness personified
I would rather have seen TT fake the handoff and run for the TD marker
When u watch the run by Barkley at the 1 yard line he studder steps and was hesitant. In that situation he needed to be a bulldozer. That's why he didn't get the ball with the game on the line. I agree he isn't nearly worth all the $ he gets or wants