Things were looking good for most of the game
Things started to look bad
The Giants rally to give us hope
They only raised us up with that hope to rip it (and our hearts) away at the last possible second
:banghead:
I'd argue the refs did the ripping at the end
Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 09:03:10 AMI'd argue the refs did the ripping at the end
true but it shouldnt have to come down to that. tyrod doesnt botch that play at the end of the first half, we kick a FG and win. end of story.
Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 09:03:10 AMI'd argue the refs did the ripping at the end
Even the commentators and the rules guy said it was PI or holding. No doubt Waller would have caught that ball for a TD.
Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 09:03:10 AMI'd argue the refs did the ripping at the end
While the shirt pull is called PI, it didn't appear that the tug really impacted Waller's movements.
In my mind, that was a low percentage throw. I'm not sure if that was by plan by Daboll or choice by Taylor (I suspect it was Daboll's intention, but it's not the play call I would have gone with.
You have a mobile QB and 1 yard to go. Bootleg! As Taylor roles out, you put the defenders in great conflict. Do they go for Taylor to prevent him from running into the end zone, which leaves the receivers open or do they cover the receivers and leave Taylor to run the one yard into the end zone?
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 16, 2023, 09:19:21 AMWhile the shirt pull is called PI, it didn't appear that the tug really impacted Waller's movements.
In my mind, that was a low percentage throw. I'm not sure if that was by plan by Daboll or choice by Taylor (I suspect it was Daboll's intention, but it's not the play call I would have gone with.
You have a mobile QB and 1 yard to go. Bootleg! As Taylor roles out, you put the defenders in great conflict. Do they go for Taylor to prevent him from running into the end zone, which leaves the receivers open or do they cover the receivers and leave Taylor to run the one yard into the end zone?
Even if it didn't impact it, the refs make that call and they get another chance at the TD. At the end of the day it was still PI.
Would they have gotten it? Would it have been a TD without the PI? Who knows but at minimum they should have been given another play.
Quote from: True Blue on October 16, 2023, 09:21:12 AMEven if it didn't impact it, the refs make that call and they get another chance at the TD. At the end of the day it was still PI.
Would they have gotten it? Would it have been a TD without the PI? Who knows but at minimum they should have been given another play.
Two PIs in a row to create two after the clock ends plays is a tall order. I can't ever recall that happening in all my years watching football
Don't forget this gem. The BS ineligible man downfield call on Neal that negated a huge catch by Hyatt.
https://gmenhq.com/posts/refs-screw-giants-big-jalin-hyatt-gain-bogus-evan-neal-penalty-01hcv1q8da96?a_aid=40734&fbclid=IwAR3oDaiiXw6ESShKOyJOk4buTOuiE_rvfeDjBMNvKF5ET5x4QCZccdmkt_U_aem_Aehp2EIzt_2NYwe1JoabJGw42wjoiF5FQbuT-vtaTe6KBe6cvQxe_RkXZus4MfhMs-k&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Quote from: B1GBLUE on October 16, 2023, 09:11:29 AMtrue but it shouldnt have to come down to that. tyrod doesnt botch that play at the end of the first half, we kick a FG and win. end of story.
Games aren't won in the first half. Granted, no reason for Tyrod to audible. None. He has no out.
However, despite that, they still had an opportunity to win. The refs swallowed their whistle.
Quote from: B1GBLUE on October 16, 2023, 09:11:29 AMtrue but it shouldnt have to come down to that. tyrod doesnt botch that play at the end of the first half, we kick a FG and win. end of story.
Who's to say everything would've gone down the same? Buffalo's play calling could've been different if they were down 9-0 to start the 2nd half and possibly the 4th quarter.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 16, 2023, 09:19:21 AMWhile the shirt pull is called PI, it didn't appear that the tug really impacted Waller's movements.
The replays clearly showed that Waller could not fully extend his left arm. Terry Macaulay said it could have been either defensive holding or DPI. The refs could have called either and called neither.
Hindsight and all but on the last play of the game fake it to Barkley and roll out.
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 16, 2023, 09:32:32 AMHindsight and all but on the last play of the game fake it to Barkley and roll out.
Kafka sucks.
Quote from: T200 on October 16, 2023, 09:32:19 AMThe replays clearly showed that Waller could not fully extend his left arm. Terry Macaulay said it could have been either defensive holding or DPI. The refs could have called either and called neither.
That may be true but since Waller's right hand failed to stop the forward motion of the ball, it's sort of irrelevant
https://x.com/NFL_Memes/status/1713776644136050936?s=20
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 16, 2023, 09:39:27 AMThat may be true but since Waller's right hand failed to stop the forward motion of the ball, it's sort of irrelevant
If he gets both hands on the ball, it's a high probability he catches it. He couldn't get both hands on the ball because the defender was holding him. The former official and both commentators said as much. Can't agree that it's irrelevant.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 16, 2023, 09:39:27 AMThat may be true but since Waller's right hand failed to stop the forward motion of the ball, it's sort of irrelevant
https://x.com/NFL_Memes/status/1713776644136050936?s=20
He would have been deeper in the end zone if he wasn't held so he could set and leap for the ball.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 16, 2023, 09:39:27 AMThat may be true but since Waller's right hand failed to stop the forward motion of the ball, it's sort of irrelevant
https://x.com/NFL_Memes/status/1713776644136050936?s=20
Waller couldn't jump either with the defender pulling on him.
Let him jump and he stops the ball better.
Quote from: RelaxTension on October 16, 2023, 09:54:22 AMWaller couldn't jump either with the defender pulling on him.
Let him jump and he stops the ball better.
Can't jump when you're being held.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 16, 2023, 09:58:24 AMCan't jump when you're being held.
Nice screenshot. Send it to the league ;)
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 16, 2023, 09:28:48 AMDon't forget this gem. The BS ineligible man downfield call on Neal that negated a huge catch by Hyatt.
https://gmenhq.com/posts/refs-screw-giants-big-jalin-hyatt-gain-bogus-evan-neal-penalty-01hcv1q8da96?a_aid=40734&fbclid=IwAR3oDaiiXw6ESShKOyJOk4buTOuiE_rvfeDjBMNvKF5ET5x4QCZccdmkt_U_aem_Aehp2EIzt_2NYwe1JoabJGw42wjoiF5FQbuT-vtaTe6KBe6cvQxe_RkXZus4MfhMs-k&mibextid=Zxz2cZ
Neal was good until he let his man disengage
https://x.com/giantinsider/status/1713918538853777834?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
I think epitome of being a Giants fan would be winning this game... Then finding out it was the difference in draft position to get a blue chipper. They had no business winning this game and their prospects for the season are shot. Of course I wanted them to come out on top, but I'm mostly numb to them losing at this point (had lots of practice in recent years).
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 16, 2023, 10:11:08 AMI think epitome of being a Giants fan would be winning this game... Then finding out it was the difference in draft position to get a blue chipper. They had no business winning this game and their prospects for the season are shot. Of course I wanted them to come out on top, but I'm mostly numb to them losing at this point (had lots of practice in recent years).
It's such a confusing feeling watching these games. In the moment I'm rooting like hell for them to pull off a miracle win if for no other reason than we get a week where we don't have to listen to the football world laughing at how pathetic this team is...all while at the same time knowing that losing is likely better for the future of the franchise and since this season is a lost cause it's time to start looking towards 2024 and beyond.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 16, 2023, 10:11:08 AMI think epitome of being a Giants fan would be winning this game... Then finding out it was the difference in draft position to get a blue chipper. They had no business winning this game and their prospects for the season are shot. Of course I wanted them to come out on top, but I'm mostly numb to them losing at this point (had lots of practice in recent years).
I simply can't ever root against them during the game, but I do think losing (at this point) is better for the team than winning. I also think the time has come to start trying to move veterans not in the long term plans for draft capital.
We're 1-5. The season is over. Time to own that and start trying to optimize the future.
I watched Ted Lasso season 2. Much less frustrating.
Guys, I do not see Waller's path or jump being hampered. I mean, the man weighs 240 pounds. It will take more than that amount of tugging on this jersey to impact what he was trying to do.
I agree by the standards the NFL sets for PI, it should have been called. I just don't see how the outcome would have been different without the small tug on the jersey.
https://x.com/ThisIsNotZain/status/1713764212885877134?s=20
Just this decade? I've been a die-hard since 1965. This kind of loss has happened every decade since, and usually multiple times per season. Just for starters anyone remember Mark Mosely? A couple of weeks ago I compiled a won-loss regular season record since 65'. They are 420-474. This is a historically below .500 team despite the 4 SB wins. Then there are the refs. Two horrendous calls, the illegal downfield on Neil, and the just inexcusably bad call for roughing the passer on Okerere. For that call alone the ref should be required to cut up and swallow his yellow flag. The refs weren't going to give the Giants two chances to win at the end even if the Bill DB tied Waller's hands with a rope. On the last play how about a handoff to Barkley and he goes airborne. If the iggles can do the Tush Push why couldn't the Giants send SB over the top like in a Mosh Pit?
Quote from: files58 on October 16, 2023, 11:02:56 AMJust this decade? I've been a die-hard since 1965. This kind of loss has happened every decade since, and usually multiple times per season. Just for starters anyone remember Mark Mosely? A couple of weeks ago I compiled a won-loss regular season record since 65'. They are 420-474. This is a historically below .500 team despite the 4 SB wins. Then there are the refs. Two horrendous calls, the illegal downfield on Neil, and the just inexcusably bad call for roughing the passer on Okerere. For that call alone the ref should be required to cut up and swallow his yellow flag. The refs weren't going to give the Giants two chances to win at the end even if the Bill DB tied Waller's hands with a rope. On the last play how about a handoff to Barkley and he goes airborne. If the iggles can do the Tush Push why couldn't the Giants send SB over the top like in a Mosh Pit?
I think you make some good points. Although in fairness, it's hard to cry too much with 4 SB Trophies in the case. That's why I limited it to just the past decade.
Looking at that replay it is definitely PI, it kept him from moving back enough to make the catch. DB not looking back at the ball either. Total blown call. Glad I didn't watch I would have lost a nights sleep for real.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 16, 2023, 11:06:18 AMI think you make some good points. Although in fairness, it's hard to cry too much with 4 SB Trophies in the case. That's why I limited it to just the past decade.
Thanks. The four SB wins does mitigate the aggravation. I LOLed when Pugh during introductions said he was from "off the couch". Hysterical and witty.
This game reminded me of one of the Giants most painful regular season defeats.
Anyone remember 2001 - Giants @ Rams?
Jim Fassell's Giants walked into The Edward Jones Dome to play The Greatest Show on Turf. Kurt Warner dominated the headlines, going from grocery clerk to MVP QB overnight. The Giants would be the most recent sacrifical lamb to Mike Martz's mad scientist offense.
Strahan has one of the greatest games I've ever seen a DE play (4 sacks, multiple more hits on Warner) but the Giants get screwed by the officiating and turn the ball over as they hit game-winning FG range. Giants lose 15-14 despite outplaying the Rams.
Quote from: RelaxTension on October 16, 2023, 09:54:22 AMWaller couldn't jump either with the defender pulling on him.
Let him jump and he stops the ball better.
It almost looked like waller was so sure he was going to get a PI call he didnt really make a second effort to bring that ball in.
Quote from: MightyGiants on October 16, 2023, 09:01:51 AMThings were looking good for most of the game
Things started to look bad
The Giants rally to give us hope
They only raised us up with that hope to rip it (and our hearts) away at the last possible second
:banghead:
same ole same ole, nothing new- Unfortunately was waiting on it.