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#3016
I too am on board with McCaffrey, but expect the unexpected from the Giants. I was a lone prognosticator last year when I actually predicted that we would go with Apple in the first....and I did so just because the Giants always do what isn't expected. I took a lot of heat and ridicule for making my prediction known.

With that said, I would be happy if the Giants took Dawkins as I have a lot of faith in Reese's picks in the first couple of rounds. He seems to be zeroed in on rounds 1 and 2...as good as anyone in the league. It's afterwards that he scares me even though I think he hit on all rounds last year.

The one guy who would play on the O-line that I have my eye on is Pat Elflein. He might fall through the cracks because he's listed as the top center on most analysts' boards rather than a guard, even though he is better suited as a guard and backup center. Unless a team is desperate for a center, he's likely to fall to the 2nd round. I think he'd be a very safe pick with little risk of him washing out. He wouldn't become an OT though, but with a draft filled with great players in all defensive positions and heavy in TE's and RB's, the pickins is slight in the offensive line area and the top rated seem to come with a significant amount of risk.

Anyway, here's his write up on NFL.com:


Pat Elflein (6'3", 303 lbs, 33 1/4" arms, 9 3/4" hands)

Overview

Elflein (pronounced ELF-line) naturally wanted to be a Buckeye after growing up in Pickerington, Ohio, a suburb of Columbus. The all-state pick (and four-year wrestler) was certainly coveted by Ohio State, as well. He didn't get on the field much in his first two years (redshirted in 2012, reserve with one start in 2013), but then met his promise starting as a sophomore. Elflein earned the first of his three first-team All-Big Ten seasons that year, starting three times at left guard and 12 on the right side. In 2015, he received second-team Associated Press All-American status while dominating at right guard in every game. The team needed him to move to center as a senior, and his play resulted in first-team All-American recognition from various media outlets.

Analysis

Strengths Thick lower body. Team captain renown for his outrageous work ethic. Strong leadership characteristics both verbally and by example. Looks for work when uncovered. Smartly alters assignment based on flow of the defense. Always under control in his movements. Patient pull blocker who stalks his target rather than rushing the block. Plus play strength and wrestling background gives him a leg up in hand-to-hand combat against big dogs inside. Quick to roll hips into block after first contact. Drives feet through contact and uses strong hands to stick like glue to the block. Reliable and effective in down blocks. Finisher looking to make a statement at the end of the play. Has mental part down. Recognizes twisting defensive tackles and greets them with aggressiveness. Hand placement is excellent. Strikes with upward blows squarely into the strike zone as run blocker. Pass-pro punch is compact with some heat behind it. Can anchor against bull rush. Winning history on high-caliber team. Versatile; proficient and successful at both center and guard.


Weaknesses

Not a ballerina with his feet. Footwork can be a little labored at times for the center position. Marginal twitch with short-area reaction time that is just average. A bit of a straight-line player in space. Struggles to come off initial block and body up against delayed, A-gap blitzers. Understands leverage but hip stiffness causes pad level to rise as play rolls along. Anticipates early bull rush and will drop an early anchor. Feet become heavy and limited, allowing athletic opponents to work around his edge and into backfield. Not always first with his hands. Gives away his chest to interior defenders with good hand quickness.

Sources Tell Us "You are getting a guy who will be great for your locker room and will get the rest of the offensive line on board. I think he could have the same fast impact on a team's running game that Zach Martin had in Dallas. Safe draft pick to me." -- NFC West scout

NFL Comparison Travis Frederick

Bottom Line

Elflein is a smart, tireless worker with a winning background and experience at all three interior offensive line spots. While his feet are just average, his core strength and wrestling background could make him a favorite of teams looking for more strength at the center position. Elflein will have occasional issues in pass protection, but his strength as a run blocker and ability to play with excellent hands and plus body control should make him one of the first interior linemen to come off the draft board.
#3017
Quote from: Jaime on March 08, 2017, 08:15:30 PM
QB Watson - I don't believe he's got the football IQ to excel at the next level.

DT McDowell - thinking we're overdrafting a bit with him at number 23 overall.

LB Reddick - not sold on the hype, a bit of a workout Warrior. We have bigger needs.

TE Howard - right in our wheelhouse. Proven Player, mis-match nitemare. Strong position of  need.

RB McCaffery - Frank Gifford Lite. At 197 lbs. Don't think heither is  built for the long haul.

OT Bolles - 2nd Rd. Talent that's getting kicked up the food chain because of a shallow OL pool.

OT Ramczyk - small body of work. Babywhales has dah Skinney on this Prospect.

My two cents...

I mostly agree with this with only a couple of slight changes (just my opinions)

I think you are right about Watson. Very talented athlete, but question his ability to become a cerebral QB instead of an athletic QB....and the cerebral part is what separates the men from the boys in the long haul. I'd take Davis Webb over Watson who I believe has the highest upside of all the QB's, but will need a couple years of NFL mentoring and physical development.

I also think McCaffrey is also right in our wheel house the way OJ Howard is, but do not see his weight as a problem. He would be a dangerous weapon to add to our arsenal and personally, I think he'd become Eli's go-to guy the way Romo always went to Witten when he absolutely needed to move the ball downfield. Witten made Romo in my ever so humble opinion, as he bailed him out over and over and over.

I also think Bolles is 1st round material. I'm just not sold that we should burn our no.1 on an offensive lineman that probably won't be NFL ready for a couple years. I would like the pick to go to a player that will be used extensively from day 1. It's exceedingly rare for an offensive lineman to come out of college and be able to take the next step into the NFL without a ton of work first. The trenches are filled with real men, not just athletes who are used to using their quickness and size advantage during college to over match an opponent. In the trenches, there are almost no over matches....(see Flowers)
#3018
Assuming all of those guys were available at 23, I'd be hard pressed to choose between OJ Howard and McCaffrey with maybe a slight edge to McCaffrey. I don't think OJ will make it past 15 or 16 on day one, but stranger things have happened on draft day
#3019
I agree 100%. TE's should be at least 6'5", preferably in the 6'6"-6'7" range with a big bone build carrying 255 lbs or more without any fat.

Engram (6'3 1/4" - 234 lbs - 4.42:40yd with a 36" vertical) would be a steal if he was drafted strictly as a WR and would create nightmares for the defense in the red zone. He has the speed / height combo to make mismatches on the outside and can also be a massive target coming across the slot. He's never going to be big enough to be a good blocker so I don't know why he is even listed as a TE.

#3020
I'm no expert, but I'd take Howard over Njoku in a heartbeat. Howard is bigger, stronger, faster and comes from a program where winning is an attitude, not just a stat.

Regardless, it's a moot point as he is not going to be available at 23 unless the "gods of football" is looking down and is a Giants' fan.
#3021
Evan Ingram seems like an ideal WR - 6'3", run's a 4.42, and has good hands. Too small to be a steady blocker (IMHO) and a bit short for a lumbering TE. Could be the tall WR we've wanted (or at least I've wanted) ever since we lost Plaxico to a self-inflicted gunshot wound...idiot!
#3022
I am only starting to get hyped up for the draft which is unusual because usually by this time of the year, I'm up to my ears in researching recruits and chomping at the bit for the draft to get here.

My early intuition has me desiring an offensive weapon. Of all the stuff I've read, and watching the athletes at the combine, there are only two players that have me thinking they are serious offensive game changers: TE - OJ Howard and RB - Christian McCaffrey

I suspect that Howard will be off the board by 23, but I think McCaffrey will still be there if we want. Because of the top heavy number of round 1 grade edge rushers and corner backs in this draft, combined with teams in desperate need of both - it's possible Howard slips to 23, but I have my doubts. Also, because there are so many excellent TE's in this draft class, I believe many teams will settle for a solid TE later in the draft as they will be there on the board like Adam Shaheen,  Bucky Hodges, Jake Butt, etc.

Njoku is intriguing, but not sure if he's the real game changer that I think would take the Giants into the next level of offensive play. I have him graded as a late 1st / early 2nd round grade, whereas I have Howard and McCaffrey graded as being in the top half of a round 1 grade (not that I'm some kind of expert or anything).

So give me Howard or McCaffrey....please! McCaffrey is so good at catching balls that we would have no need for Vereen (save some cap space here) and it would be sweet to have a feature back that can play like a short yardage RB or slot TE while having Perkins as a scat back coming that keeps the opposition off balance. It's been a long time since the Giants had a favorable ground game and McCaffrey would give that to us. And on top of that, practically every mock draft I've read has McCaffrey falling into the lap of the *%^!*& Patriots - as if they need another offensive juggernaut!

Personally, if both Howard and McCaffrey were still on the board at 23, I think I would have to go with McCaffrey. That's how much I think of him as a game changer for the the Giants' offense. For what it's worth, that is my 2 centavos 
#3023
BBH Archive / Re: NFT: 2016 Triple Crown- Pick 3
June 14, 2016, 08:54:57 AM
I do not feel as if I deserve to win (or tie for the win) as I lost interest after Nyquist couldn't handle the mud in the Preakness and then was pulled from the Belmont. Regardless, I enjoyed playing along for the first two legs. Thanks for going through the trouble of setting it up so the rest of us could have some fun on the side.
#3024
BBH Archive / Re: NFT: 2016 Triple Crown- Pick 3
May 21, 2016, 10:15:03 AM
My picks for today's Preakness

1) Nyquist
2) Exaggerator
3) Abiding Star
#3025
Quote from: Vette on May 08, 2016, 08:51:59 AM
So here is the Breakdown for this First Leg of the Triple Crown. Congratulations to Chris (BabyWhales) who called the Win and Place Horses in Order!

Whales= 50+30-20= 60
Cid= 30+20= 50
Jolly= 30+20= 50
4Ever= -30+20= -10
Terry= -30+20= -10
Vette= -30+20= -10
Todge= -30+ -20= -50

Hang in there you players in the negative column. A good showing in the Preakness can put you right in this again.

I accidentally listed my horses in backward order. I submitted Gun Runner, Exaggerator, and Nyquist in that order and meant it the other way around...lol  :what:
#3026
My picks:

1- Win: Gun Runner
2- Place: Exaggerator
3- Show: Nyquist
 
#3027
The Front Porch / Re: Just a joke
May 06, 2016, 09:03:12 PM
I'm a newbie and I've read several pages of jokes, but I haven't read all 39 pages, so maybe this one has already been told. The joke of Paddy McCoy reminded me of one. So here goes:


Paddy had been drinking at his local Dublin pub all day and most of the night celebrating St Patrick
#3028
1)  What part of the Country do you live in?
Rural area in Upstate New York - somewhere within the triangle created by Syracuse-Ithaca-Binghamton

2)  How long have you been a Giants fan?
Since I was old enough to understand football, around the mid-late 50's

3)  What do you do for a living?
Retired Engineer - Trainer/teacher in GD&T and SPC. Still do consulting in GD&T. After traveling the world on business for 8 years, living out of hotels and airports, I left the company and started my own electro-mechanical manufacturing company subcontracting for OEM's. Closed up shop a few years ago.

4) Anything else you would like to mention about yourself?
- Divorced
- 3 adult children (had 4, but lost my oldest son from a car accident returning from skiing)
- 6 beautiful grandchildren
- I have degrees in math / statistics and engineering, a graduate of Binghamton University
- Highly opinionated, not always right and often wrong
- hobbies: skiing, fishing, golfing, genealogy, and kind of a movie buff
- I am a gun enthusiast and have a large collection of firearms, but I haven't hunted in years. I shoot paper for fun.
- Besides being a die-hard Giants fan, I also love the Syracuse Orange (my alma mater from grad school), and I'm a discouraged Yankee fan.
- Generally speaking, I am a positive person who always sees a glass half full and tend to be overly optimistic. I tend to avoid negative people for the sake of sanity.

Jolly Blue Giant