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Based on free agency and the draft, which Giants still on the roster came out as winners and which ones came out as losers?


I will give two examples, to better illustrate the question

1) Winner-  Daniel Jones, the Giants didn't draft his replacement

2) Loser-  Slayton is likely the odd man out once Nabers is a starter

Who makes each of your lists?

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 10:20:48 AMThe current standoff is not the same as last year's standoff with Barkley. Slayton is very underpaid compared to WRs with the same stat, and he's been the Giants' most reliable and productive receiver on the team. With Nabers getting the brunt of defenders dogging him, it should open up Slayton and Hyatt...and maybe a TE

Anyway, a pretty good article: https://gmenhq.com/posts/darius-slayton-provides-positive-update-ny-giants-contract-drama-01hwx0s93mgb?sc=be165671da3b347e2b57f31b3de62ada4335dd4eb041bc409f5188d150192a90

The sense I got (although I couldn't find a quote that nailed it down) is that Slayton wants an extension.

https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1786386562726482426

Quote from: babywhales on Today at 09:37:53 AMConspiracy theories are a sign of the times.

I do not think Mara directs the board.  Sign off on a 1st round pick or big ticket FA is not the same as steering the ship toward one

I completely agree.  Mara has been adamant that the GM has the final say.   There have been zero reports from any insider suggesting that Mara is lying when he says that.   To some fans, Mara has become the cartoon villain that every bad or unlucky decision is blamed on.

To be fair, I might be a bit biased because I consider conspiracy theories the bastion of the weak-minded.

Quote from: londonblue on Today at 09:34:29 AMLock is behind Jones in 'experience' despite being part of the same draft class because of nearly 3 years backing up (including one with no snaps). Questions over Lock's preparation, focus and processing saw him fall to R2 in 2019. They continued in Denver. I suspect his ceiling is a slightly less bonkers Jameis Winston boom/bust type. Can Daboll, Kafka, Tierney improve him? It might be fun finding out.

I like both this perspective and how it was presented 

Ric,

I like your post. I will say, to me this question is akin to which tire on a car is the most important.  For an offense to be successful you need a good QB and at least one really good receiving threat (can be a WR or special TE)

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:51:06 AMIn my view, it's not an issue of the stars making a clean break... it's a misleading title.

I would have said something like, "Jilted Fans Still Mad At Saquon"

Tim, having a difference preference for a title is not the same as "misleading".  Seeing something differently than you doesn't make it misleading, it makes it a different perspective

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:21:16 AMSaquon was minding his business at a basketball game and they showed him on the screen and TV. Fans go after him on X, but the title of the thread is "Why do former NYG stars struggle to make clean breaks?"   

Tim,


Is there anything easier to ignore than a mean Tweet about you on Twitter?

Quote from: babywhales on Today at 08:43:09 AMThe New York Giants are a corner stone organization in the NFL.  The TV revenue sharing agreed to in the early 60's by Wellington for the benefit and growth of the NFL is why the NFL is where it is today.

It was said The Duke was the heart and soul of the NFL and The New York Football Giants are not too far behind him.

Players might not like the taxes in New York State but players love being here and hate leaving.

You can go even further back, in terms of how important the Giants were.   Because they were in NYC, they had more revenue than other teams.  They could get all the new talent they wanted.   Yet, for the good of the league, they agreed to a draft that helped to create parody at the expense of their advantage.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:05:04 AMD) Neither upset nor unhappy.

I trust what Schoen has done and understand what he inherited isn't going to be fixed easily. He knew he had a tough task and he's up for the challenge. I'm just along for the ride. Unless and until he turns into Gettleman, I'm in his corner.

Tim,


I tend to share these views.   I started this thread because we saw in Ed's poll there are quite a few fans unhappy with the direction of the team.  I think it was a reasonable assumption that most are unhappy due to the team not drafting a new QB.  I was curious as to why they were unhappy about the the decision not to draft a QB.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 02, 2024, 09:30:04 PMLock has been in the NFL for four years (28 games), and Daniel Jones has been the Giants starting QB for the last five seasons.

When would there be a point in judging them?

Jeff,

I am pretty sure Lock and Jones were in the same draft class.  Jones was picked 6th overall and Lock was the 10th pick of round two.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 08:27:29 AMAre we classifying Toney as a star?

In the sense he was a first round pick

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 08:19:09 AMDid you ask yourself how you would react?

I have a pretty good idea. I had to fire an employee once for performance. I did it as nicely as possible, but in my mind, a firing is still a firing. A couple of months later, I ran into the employee at a training session. When I ran into her, I said hello and greeted her in a friendly manner (I didn't want to be rude), only to have her completely ignore me. 

That incident didn't bother me in the least because I appreciated that I had fired her, and I just didn't think it would be realistic to be greeted with a warm "Hello, how have you been?  Nice to see you"

The same goes for players leaving a team. If you leave (regardless of reason), some fans will turn against you. It's the nature of the unique form of entertainment we call professional sports.

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:55:11 AMNeither can the ignorant fans.

True, but "fan" is short for "fanatic".  I sort of expect some fans to behave that way, especially ones who really liked Barkley and were hurt or felt betrayed by Barkley joining a despised division rival.   I would think the wealthy players who have a new base of fans supporting them and cheering them couldn't be bothered with the nonsense.

By all reports, the Giants made a strong effort to trade up to draft Maye but that simply wasn't possible because the Pats wanted him as their quarterback.

So here is my question.

Are you upset because:

A) the Giants didn't ignore their board and drafted one of the lesser-graded QBs on their board (in other words, they should have "reached" for a QB)

B) You disagree with the Giants' grades they had on the remaining 3 QBs, at least one of them had a grade that justified drafting them 6th overall (passing on a blue chip prospect like Nabers)

C) Neither A nor B, you are just unhappy with the circumstances (no "mistakes" made) that had the Giants come out of the draft without a new QB