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There's plus/minus advantages to being a "ball hawk". A true ball hawk is always aware of the ball...more so than the player he's supposed to guard. Those who aren't ball hawks, tend to pay super close attention to the receiver to stop him from catching the ball, it is first and foremost in their repertoire (enter Andru Phillips a "sticky CB")

Last year, I was sold on Emmanuel Forbes Jr., even though he was very skinny and not a physical back. I wanted him for our first round draft pick, but he was already gone to the Commanders when we were on the clock. I remember groaning as I watched his name come off the board. Well, anyway, he was so bad in his rookie year that he was benched halfway through the season. With a PFF grade of about 50, he had a total of 1 takeaway for the year, whilst allowing 37 catches for 598 yards and three touchdowns in an abbreviated season (for him)

Previous write-up on Forbes (before the draft): "Emmanuel Forbes Jr. is one of the best ball-hawking cornerbacks in college football history, as he had 14 interceptions and ran an FBS record six back for a touchdown during his three seasons at Mississippi State...". But (and that's a big "but"), the NFL is a different animal than college. WRs are fully aware of all the tactics used by CBs and know how to mess up "ball hawks" who don't pay enough attention to the receiver's moves and pay too much attention to the ball

Suffice it to say, Dan Quinn was not happy with Forbes' performance. Whether or not Quinn can turn Forbes around is yet to be seen

Big Blue Huddle / Re: What does Daniel Jones nee...

Last post by EDjohnst1981 - Today at 12:42:34 PM

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 12:40:54 PMDoes anyone believe if Jones plays like a top 10 QB but the team has a losing season, the Giants will not pursue QB in next year's draft (assuming there is a good one and they are in a realistic position to acquire him).

Yes.

Big Blue Huddle / Re: What does Daniel Jones nee...

Last post by MightyGiants - Today at 12:40:54 PM

Does anyone believe if Jones plays like a top 10 QB but the team has a losing season, the Giants will not pursue QB in next year's draft (assuming there is a good one and they are in a realistic position to acquire him).

Big Blue Huddle / Re: What does Daniel Jones nee...

Last post by AZGiantFan - Today at 12:38:26 PM

It wouldn't hurt if he was wiilling to take a pay cut, since there will be no guaranteed money.

Big Blue Huddle / Re: Shane Bowen- young up-and-...

Last post by MightyGiants - Today at 12:37:39 PM

Shane Bowen All-22 Titans Stream (Saints & Chargers Games)

Bobby Skinner uses All-22 Coaches Film to break down the Giants Defensive Coordinators Shane Bowen's defenses and tendencies.

Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants rookie CB Andru Phi...

Last post by GloryDays - Today at 12:36:26 PM

Andru hands-of-stone Phillips

Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants rookie CB Andru Phi...

Last post by B1GBLUE - Today at 12:22:47 PM

At least he can tackle. if you cant give me picks, at least make a sure tackle. lot of cb's get 2-3 lucky int's a year and miss dozens of tackles. break up plays, and keep your guy from getting YAC. im ok with this from a 3rd round pick.

Big Blue Huddle / Re: Better or Worse

Last post by Painter - Today at 12:17:38 PM

QB- Neutral. There is no basis to suggest that Daniel Jones, even if healthy, will be any better or worse than he has been. Better depth, yes, as it could hardly have been worse. Still, it's really all about DJ.

RB- Neutral. Even if Barkley has a great year with the Eagles, as he did for a couple or three of his 6 seasons with the Giants, I can't help but to think of him as a "boom or bust" RB. That may be unfair, but I feel no loss in his departure. Still, while I am optimistic about the new additions and current roster, and so don't feel it to be Worse, I can't yet rate it as other than Neutral.

TE- Neutral. We can hope but there is no real basis to think or to say otherwise.

OL- Better. It could hardly have been worse. Except for questions regarding Neal and ORT, which I expect to sort itself out either there or at ORG and otherwise to be a better net roster overall.

DL- Better. Even with the loss of Williams at the 3-tech, I see the addition of Burns to Thibs and Ojulari at Edge or 4-Man as more than compensating for what was not a good Wink D overall.

LB- Better. Best in many years both Inside and Outside with those mentioned above and with Okereke, McFadden, and Simmons at MLB and ILB.

CB/Safety- Worse. Until proven otherwise, I certainly can't say Better and feel that Neutral would be a cop out. I can say, however, that I am pleased to have Shane Bowen as the new DC. In regard to the play in and of the Secondary, I will guess off-the-ball / bend don't break coverage outside the 20s while none tougher/better/ stingier in the Redzone.

In any case, for now quien sabe?

Cheers!

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Big Blue Huddle / Re: Giants rookie CB Andru Phi...

Last post by MightyGiants - Today at 11:49:07 AM

Quote from: madbadger on Today at 11:40:01 AMJackson was a ballhawk at USC and fairly good his first couple years in the league. The other concern is that Phillips only had five passes defended last year. His last year at USC Jackson had 11. I hope I am pleasantly surprised but I think his career might be close to Darnay Holmes than to Jackson's.

MB,

In Adoree's three years with the Giants he had all of two INTs. That isn't exactly "ball-hawk" material. Hell, in his entire 7 year career he has only 4 INTs.

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