The talent available
While there are plenty of good players available I
OK. NOW the countdown to the draft has officially begun. As always Ceri, year after year yous positional previews don'tdisappoint.
I see you're as big a fan of Hankins as I am. The consenus of most fans on different boards is for Sheldon Richarsson. For me it's a tie between Hankins and Jesse Williams if we go DT in the 1st(in a trade down, not at 19). Personally I've always been skeptical 3-techs who are supposed to be pass rushing demons. I'd rather have a plugger to pair with Joseph and be insurance in case he's not re-signed. Is it safe to assume that since you didn't mention Jenkins' linemate Kwame Geathers that you don't think much of him?
Re: Geathers - in a nutshell, yes!
Great stuff, I will have comments a bit later when I have time to properly post.
Assuming the Giants have given up on Austin, I would love to see a guy like Josh Boyd picked up in the 4th or 5th round
MightyGiants if the idea going into the draft is to get better as a run stopping defense, the Giants would do well to forget Austin.
I doubt seriously that Austin factors into our plans in any major way.
Ceri nice job! I hope we get a couple DT's who can help us immediately.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 13, 2013, 10:28:58 AM
Assuming the Giants have given up on Austin, I would love to see a guy like Josh Boyd picked up in the 4th or 5th round
Do you think they would give up on a 2nd rounder after 2 years? Although he has not showed any sign of stepping up it seems too soon for them to give up.
Ceri, superb DT Prospect analysis there. You sold me! Doesn't appear to be a fit for us for the first two days. I didn't think we were interested in a DT with all the signings of late.
I completely agree with you Ceri that we have the Under Tackle position set but can use a run stuffing nose tackle. I'd be thrilled if we got either Jesse Williams or John Jenkins in say the 2nd round, but I doubt either will be there when we pick. Maybe. If we did that in round 2 and were lucky to have a top flight DE, CB or LB to fall to us in round 1, I'd be thrilled with that as a round 1-2 combo. Think we need help on D, but also feel that OL is a great need. IF we went OL in round 1 and got one of those DTs in round 2, I'd also be happy as well.
The talent available
As usual there is a some top end talent with depth lasting into the third day of the draft. It is likely to produce future starters fitting into all kinds of defensive schemes and have different players appealing to different teams for different reasons. I have one ranked in my top 10, two more in my top 20, one in the late 1st round and three in the 2nd round.
What do I think the Giants should do?
Osi Umenyiora is gone and Justin Tuck got banged up and regressed again really only showing up for his annual obliteration of the 49ers. To make matters worse the Giants kept putting their best DE Jason Pierre-Paul on the inside of the NASCAR package making it easy to opponents to double team him with two linemen. JPP also came to camp overweight and never took advantage of his one-on-one opportunities outside in the same way he had previously. Depth is non-existent - none of Adrian Tracy, Justin Trattou, Adewale Ojomo are worthy of a roster spot let alone place in the rotation.
With Tuck in the final year of his contract and his durability an issue the Giants have three options: 1) Draft a DE high they believe can contribute immediately; 2) move starting SLB Matthias Kiwanuka up full-time to the line to play the position he was actually drafted for; 3) do both and hope like hell they can back-fill the hole created at SLB.
The Giants have a
I agree but don't count ojomo who was a rookie last year or Tracy who should convert to lb out they have good upside
There are some concerns that Ezekial Ansah may be older than he claims, so he may drop. If he does drop I have to think Reese takes a long hard look. Otherwise the only one in this class that really looks like a Reese type of DE is Corey Lemonier, In the scheme of things what's the point of sending a guy running a 4.8+ or 4.9+ after a QB who runs a 4.4 or 4.5? You simple are asking for highlight reel type plays from the QB. These new quick athletic QBs need to be countered by DEs who are nearly as quick.
Breaking News: I now have the hots for Datone Jones.
Ultimate Datone Jones Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsb5fGAdsK8#ws)
Ceri, these writeups - as always - are phenomenal. Thanks so much for taking the time to share them with us.
Like you, I am somewhat intrigued by Damontre Moore. Do you think it's possible he could be sitting there in the second round when we pick? I'd grab him in a second at that spot.
Ceri, again a stellar job Bro. I feel so spoiled in that I don't have to sift through the paper blizzard of the media. I only have to read you for the skinny. Well, looks like you and I are at different ends of the spectrum regarding Margus Hunt. I have Hunt in my Mock as our round two number 49th overall selection. Confident we can coach him up, and turn him into a player.
Werner is a popular mock choice around here. But I feel about him, the way you feel about Hunt.
Totally believe that JR will select a DE @ some point. As usual, when and who is anybody's guess?
Quote from: Chris on April 18, 2013, 01:07:01 PM
Ceri, these writeups - as always - are phenomenal. Thanks so much for taking the time to share them with us.
Like you, I am somewhat intrigued by Damontre Moore. Do you think it's possible he could be sitting there in the second round when we pick? I'd grab him in a second at that spot.
I don't think there's any way he'll be there at 49. if he does slip out of the 1st round having had time to re-evaluate their boards overnight I can't imagine he'll make it past the Jags or Raiders at the very top of the 2nd round. That said, were he on the board at 19 and we to get an offer to trade down there is a decent chance he'd be there for us lower down with only Indianapolis, Denver and maybe Atlanta the only landing spots left in the round.
The Talent Available
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Great report for a guy who didn't have the time!! I hope we get one of your faves Ceri, thanks for these reports.
Ceri, what do you think of Tyrann Mathieu overall and potentially as a slot corner?
Quote from: Philosophers on April 19, 2013, 07:22:34 PM
Ceri, what do you think of Tyrann Mathieu overall and potentially as a slot corner?
Loved him as a player at LSU but he comes across as being an immature kid who will find trouble again OTF soon enough.
Absolutely spot on about Thomas, and probabably Hosley as well although my thumb is only sideways on him at this point. And your Draft analysis and projection are nulli secundus as always, CD.
Cheers!
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Rolle is vastly over paid and Brown is signed for one year. So next year there could be a big need. Still with so many more current and pressing needs, not sure the team has the luxury of drafting a safety.
Thanks again for these breakdowns. I definitely a 2nd or 3rd rounder goes into this position if only because the talent that is there.
What is your take on Shamarko Thomas? I liked what I saw of him in games, but lets face it, the Big East has not been a football juggernaut. And I am saying that as a Uconn alum.
Ceri, Great write up.
I'd say that Dee Milliner, Alabama is the one player I do not want, but that point is probably moot. He'll be long gone by pick 19. Good luck to anyone who takes him. He has great measureables but I wasn't surprised Notre Dame went after him the way they did in the National Championship game. Unfortunately for them, completing passes out of bounds doesn't count, but for me it seemed the ND receivers had him beat - a lot. I would argue he played against the worst group of WRs and TEs in the SEC in a very long time. There are no AJ Greens, Julio Joneses, or Mike Wallaces in that group. He's a good corner but he's not a top ten pick in my opinion, although that's where he'll go.
I preferred Rhodes but now you have me thinking. Regardless, I see a top pick going toward another position. Any thoughts on the two from Cal? I am intrigued by Williams.
Great job Ceri --
from a technical standpoint, you might want to edit Wreh-Wilson's college from Temple to UConn.
Interesting, much to Jaime's chagrin, that you and PFWs Nolan Nawrocki seem to be the only scouts who view Rhodes as an overrated prospect.
Regardless, the Giants will come out of this Draft with at least two CBs. Interesting to see who they like.
bama, come on over to the Rhodes bandwagon, we have room for you! <:-P
Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 20, 2013, 07:32:06 PM
What is your take on Shamarko Thomas? I liked what I saw of him in games, but lets face it, the Big East has not been a football juggernaut. And I am saying that as a Uconn alum.
I love thomas and being a big CUSE fan I have seen him for a few years. He is a hard rock hitting guy, and he is faster than all the rest of the listed safeties. :yes: :yes: :yes:
Quote from: king of the bronx on April 21, 2013, 02:47:02 AM
Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 20, 2013, 07:32:06 PM
What is your take on Shamarko Thomas? I liked what I saw of him in games, but lets face it, the Big East has not been a football juggernaut. And I am saying that as a Uconn alum.
I love thomas and being a big CUSE fan I have seen him for a few years. He is a hard rock hitting guy, and he is faster than all the rest of the listed safeties. :yes: :yes: :yes:
Good player but way too short for our physical prototype and the sheer number of concussions he's sustained already would have me take him off the draft board altogether if I were the Giants.
Quote from: bamagiantfan on April 20, 2013, 07:53:21 PM
Ceri, Great write up.
I'd say that Dee Milliner, Alabama is the one player I do not want, but that point is probably moot. He'll be long gone by pick 19. Good luck to anyone who takes him. He has great measureables but I wasn't surprised Notre Dame went after him the way they did in the National Championship game. Unfortunately for them, completing passes out of bounds doesn't count, but for me it seemed the ND receivers had him beat - a lot. I would argue he played against the worst group of WRs and TEs in the SEC in a very long time. There are no AJ Greens, Julio Joneses, or Mike Wallaces in that group. He's a good corner but he's not a top ten pick in my opinion, although that's where he'll go.
I preferred Rhodes but now you have me thinking. Regardless, I see a top pick going toward another position. Any thoughts on the two from Cal? I am intrigued by Williams.
I can understand why you say that 'Bama but I think his length/speed/physicality in routes is a good reason why ND struggled to complete passes in bounds. He forces you real close to the sideline and uses it as his friend. I'd disagree that the SEC was totally bereft of WR talent but it was all in Tennessee and when the Crimson Tide played them he had a really good game. I have done my top 32 now and he sits at 10 overall. His lack of INT's for me is why he isn't doesn't rate higher.
Rhodes may also be downgraded by the Giants because he does have questionable tackling fundamentals (which is crucial for the Giant CBs). He also may not be a good fit their schemes as has played "press" coverage only and may not be able to grasp the fundamentals of flex zone coverages.
Did not know he had those concussions. Sounds like he could be the next Bob Sanders, great when healthy, but rarely healthy.
Reese doesn't draft according to scheme. Gilbride hardly uses more than 3 WRs yet we draft and sign WRs every year. CB is a huge need and Rhodes is a value at 19. Scheme won't get in the way. Tackling and technique can be coached, that's their job. You can't teach speed and size. Reese says this every year.
While Montgomery isn't a first round talent anymore I do believe he's getting underrated. He spoke his mind about the trying statement. I highly doubt you'll find many giving their all, risking injury against the lesser teams int he country. And everyone forgets he says he can't afford to do that anymore in the NFL...
Regardless for the talk about a lack of burst he posted a better 40 time and a 10 yard split than Damontre Moore. Hopefully teams are put off by him so he's available in the 3rd.
I am praying for Hankins in the 2nd. Before the insane Shariff Floyd hype train kicked in, Hankins was raved. This was after the season too so he had no bad games and he didn't have any dumb off the field moments either. Not only would be stuff the run but he can eat double teams consistently which bodes well for Linval and JPP.
Quote from: Destiny on April 23, 2013, 12:02:45 AM
I am praying for Hankins in the 2nd. Before the insane Shariff Floyd hype train kicked in, Hankins was raved. This was after the season too so he had no bad games and he didn't have any dumb off the field moments either. Not only would be stuff the run but he can eat double teams consistently which bodes well for Linval and JPP.
This would be a good pick
Quote from: Destiny on April 22, 2013, 11:49:44 PM
While Montgomery isn't a first round talent anymore I do believe he's getting underrated. He spoke his mind about the trying statement. I highly doubt you'll find many giving their all, risking injury against the lesser teams int he country. And everyone forgets he says he can't afford to do that anymore in the NFL...
Regardless for the talk about a lack of burst he posted a better 40 time and a 10 yard split than Damontre Moore. Hopefully teams are put off by him so he's available in the 3rd.
Do you see a guy with his speed chasing down RG3 or Kapernick?
Quote from: Destiny on April 22, 2013, 11:45:42 PM
Reese doesn't draft according to scheme. Gilbride hardly uses more than 3 WRs yet we draft and sign WRs every year. CB is a huge need and Rhodes is a value at 19. Scheme won't get in the way. Tackling and technique can be coached, that's their job. You can't teach speed and size. Reese says this every year.
4.65 in the short shuttle is a huge red flag. Short shuttle times should be .2 seconds less than their 40 time. To have a time greater than his 40 time indicates a very stiff athlete with poor change of direction ability.
Quote from: Destiny on April 22, 2013, 11:45:42 PM
Reese doesn't draft according to scheme. Gilbride hardly uses more than 3 WRs yet we draft and sign WRs every year. CB is a huge need and Rhodes is a value at 19. Scheme won't get in the way. Tackling and technique can be coached, that's their job. You can't teach speed and size. Reese says this every year.
Welcome to the Board Destiny.
With al due respect - every team drafts players to fit their particular schemes. If you break down CBs - there are some who are better suited to play zone and others that are better suited to play man. I would refer you to UK Giants Fan's assessment of Rhodes listed above "... complete and total lack of awareness in zone coverage. Would be a square peg in a round hole in our defensive system". Of which I totally agree with.
Ceri, hey man keep the Intel coming!
Thought I'd throw this out to the gang. Heard yesterday on "Path to the draft" that the top CB prospect Dee Millilner is currently dealing with four separate injury issues. I have no reason to doubt the veracity of this report. So I am really skeptical that someone's going to spend a top 10 pick on a prospect
Sporting so much injury baggage. Ergo, just may be this outstanding prospect falls a bit to us @ #19?
Can't wait for Thurs. nite!
That would create a situation similiar to the Prince fall. Wouldn't that be ironic? The only difference is that the Giants might not pull the trigger on Milliner as they almost had to on Prince. Would a trade down then be in order?
That trading down stuff scares me. You have no control over who will be there. As opposed to trading up we know we r going to get. I think the Giants are in a great spot @ #19. We can sit there and let the draft come to us. With OL talent pool deep enough for a plug-in starter in the 3rd. Rd. , we have the luxury of sitting back and choosing the BPA at Corner, DE, or DT.
Go Giants!
Jenny Vrentas and Art Stapleton - 2 Giants beat writers both report that the Giants have been in touch with Darrius Slay "a lot lately". They also had him in last week for a private workout. He is solid 2nd Round value and would be an instant starter at CB ahead of CWeb.
The talent available
Not a great year for LB
Ceri,
I have to think the mobile fast QBs and the rise of faster TEs are going to put a premium on speed. As such guys that in the past were deemed too light to play MLB in the NFL (at least in the 4-3) will now be what teams are looking for. After all, teams are shedding large amounts of size when the go into nickle and dime packages. Having a guy who is at least LB size being able to stay on the field more and is able to run with these freakishly athletic TEs and QBs is going to be a critical requirement. Guys like Chase Blackburn or Herzlich being able to cut it in the middle of a 4-3 are gone. At least that's my prediction/belief/opinion
Rich, I wouldnt disagree. I just dont think that either Ogletree or Brown will be great MLB's. Sio Moore intrigues as I can see him playing that role with a bit of work.
I'll finish off the MLB preview when I go home in a few hours and will then knock out a mock draft, my top 100 and Giants draft board for the first two days so I can relax for a few hours before the fun begins!
The talent available
If you are looking for a Patrick Willis type you will be disappointed - there isn