"Well, you know what, when you look at their offense — and (Giants head coach Brian) Daboll was supposed to be kind of a QB whisperer so to speak — I really didn't see that last year," McNabb said. "I was looking forward to this upcoming season to see changes in Daniel Jones because, to be honest with you, I'm not a big Daniel Jones fan."
"I want the same energy from everybody who watched the Denver Broncos last year with Russell Wilson when he got his contract," he said. "I thought that the world came down on Russell more than they are right now and Daniel Jones."
https://nypost.com/2023/09/23/donovan-mcnabb-slams-giants-qb-not-a-big-daniel-jones-fan/
What is Jones doing right now to make anyone a fan of his outside the immediate fan base? Answer not much.
Not that he doesn't have peaks ie Vikings or the 2nd half of the cards game, but he lacks consistency right now and that dates back to last season. Hot, cold, hot, cold, cold, hot, cold, etc that's how most of last season went. We can't continue to have 5 good/great games and the rest average to below average every season. He's making 40 million a year and despite his circumstances we need to see more.
McNabb sucked. He's the exact type of QB Jones is. Can run, but is a check down captain. He was carried by great Eagles defenses.
Daniel Jones was very consistent last year. Not spectacular, but very good and consistent.
Who cares what McNabb says especially on Russell Wilson who is at the back end of his career.
I don't care what McNabb says but I also don't necessarily take it as gospel when an ex-player says positive things (about any player) either. Not all of these retired guys even watch the games consistently anymore.
When you become irrelevant- sometimes you need to say things to get your name back in the public eye.
Mcnabb feels the same way as most people do. Aside from some of the Giants fan base, I don't know a single person who thinks Jones is good.
McNabb has always been a blowhard who creates racial tension where there is none. I think everyone can remember his famous "black on black crime" when T.O. suggested that Brett Favre was a better quarterback than McNabb. There's a world of difference between Russell Wilson and Daniel Jones. Russell Wilson wormed his way out of Seattle after demanding input on personnel matters and (allegedly) demanding the firing of Pete Carroll and John Schneider. They traded him for a massive amount of draft picks and then, for literally no reason, gave Wilson more guarantees on his contract. He's a former Superbowl winning quarterback with a much longer track record than Daniel Jones. The expectations from Broncos fans were higher for good reason - they gave up more and had a right to expect more.
Daniel Jones, for me, is a very average quarterback. I didn't like the contract they offered him and I like it even less 3 games into this season. What I will say in his defense is he's a very unassuming guy. He accepts the criticism. He doesn't lash out, throw teammates under the bus or demand coaching changes. He just goes to work. I can forgive a man for being of average talent when they exhibit those character traits. He's a Giant, and I'll root for him and scream for his success until I'm blue in the face - regardless of how that meshes with what I see when I take off my blue glasses and evaluate his skill as a quarterback dispassionately.
Quote from: sooners56 on September 27, 2023, 09:42:59 AMMcnabb feels the same way as most people do. Aside from some of the Giants fan base, I don't know a single person who thinks Jones is good.
I heard D Brown make the same comments
I agree with your view of the national perception on Jones.
He can excel if everything or most things go correct.
When less than ideal he clams up, misses opportunities when they are present and generally plays it save.
It's looking like not enough gun slinger in him to take on the big dogs
This is what happens when you have so many awful games on national tv. Not all of this has been on him. But you can't absolve him of all blame for these performances.
Quote from: sooners56 on September 27, 2023, 09:42:59 AMMcnabb feels the same way as most people do. Aside from some of the Giants fan base, I don't know a single person who thinks Jones is good.
Everyone has an opinion, from Carl Banks to Donovan McNabb. Who cares. Jones, in four plus years, has been a middling to slightly above that QB. He has the potential to become above average. Or he could remain as mediocre. Either way, he is the Giants QB for now and will have a long, lucrative NFL career whether with the Giants or elsewhere as either a starter or backup.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on September 26, 2023, 09:56:48 PMMcNabb sucked. He's the exact type of QB Jones is. Can run, but is a check down captain. He was carried by great Eagles defenses.
Hard to take your opinion seriously when you say that a six time pro bowl quarterback sucked.
Quote from: madbadger on September 27, 2023, 12:38:52 PMHard to take your opinion seriously when you say that a six time pro bowl quarterback sucked.
and had a higher career QB rating than Eli Manning, who will be getting a gold jacket.
Take it seriously or not. He was massively overrated. Defenses carried that team. Only two seasons with over 61 percent completion percentage in a WCO. Never threw for 4k yards in a season. Most seasons were around 3300. He just wasn't that good.
Quote from: madbadger on September 27, 2023, 12:38:52 PMHard to take your opinion seriously when you say that a six time pro bowl quarterback sucked.
He vomited in the huddle when faced with the same situation Eli came through on twice. QB rating was low for Eli because he played his career in a complex system and he took chances late in games when behind. McNabb played dink and dunk and choked when he was needed the most.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 27, 2023, 12:41:19 PMand had a higher career QB rating than Eli Manning, who will be getting a gold jacket.
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on September 27, 2023, 12:44:52 PMHe vomited in the huddle when faced with the same situation Eli came through on twice. QB rating was low for Eli because he played his career in a complex system and he took chances late in games when behind. McNabb played dink and dunk and choked when he was needed the most.
I didn't say he was better than Eli. More was just refuting your point that he "sucked." I appreciate you may have been exaggerating a little with that word.
In any case I don't disagree that he was a perhaps a bit overrated.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 27, 2023, 12:41:19 PMand had a higher career QB rating than Eli Manning, who will be getting a gold jacket.
QB rating is probably the worst way to compare QBs. No offense but it's a plug and chug formula that doesn't take into context how the actual play performed.
Quote from: JT39 on September 27, 2023, 01:07:49 PMQB rating is probably the worst way to compare QBs. No offense but it's a plug and chug formula that doesn't take into context how the actual play performed.
None taken.
I fully disagree that it's anything close to the worst way to compare QBs. No stat is perfect, far from it, but QB rating implements components that I would say are very important: YPA, completions, passing TDs/INTs. Obviously, it's not perfect. But over time it tells you plenty.
I will say this, and no offense to you either, but I think it tells you a good bit more about how effective and efficient a QB is than just straight-up total passing yards, which is the stat you happened to key on.
A bit off topic but since we're bringing up the subject of QB Rating and stats in general.
When looking at the all-time interceptions leaders someone once said "They don't let you throw that many interceptions if you're not good" and I can't think of a more true statement. Here are some names in the top 20 all-time interception leaders: Favre, Tarkenton, Unitas, Marino, Manning x2, Brees, Fouts, Moon, Elway, Tittle, Namath. Tom Brady missed the cut by a mere 8 interceptions.
This from a guy who the Giants should have put out a "Buddy Ryan" decree for doing the following. Listen to the end for what Aikman has to say. That's all you need to know about the source. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-8Z37p10QY
Quote from: Dgoodmantrublu on September 27, 2023, 12:43:14 PMTake it seriously or not. He was massively overrated. Defenses carried that team. Only two seasons with over 61 percent completion percentage in a WCO. Never threw for 4k yards in a season. Most seasons were around 3300. He just wasn't that good.
Did Eli suck?
Eli played in a complex downfield system. He had one year with a top ten defense. He had several seasons over 4k yards. And Eli was super clutch in the biggest moments. So much better than McNabb.
Quote from: madbadger on September 27, 2023, 03:14:43 PMDid Eli suck?
I don't think the question here is McNabb vs Eli. It's the comment that Jones is the same type as McNabb. I'm not sure what the word type is but if Jones has the career that McNabb had, I'll be ok with that. But, he has a long way to go to get there
And I wasn't a big fan of McNabb... So? Who does he think he is to offer his slanted opinion?!
We're getting bent out of shape about nothing. McNabb can say whatever he wants about any subject. Who cares?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on September 27, 2023, 05:38:58 PMWe're getting bent out of shape about nothing. McNabb can say whatever he wants about any subject. Who cares?
Totally ridiculous that anyone should care.
I diverted this convo. I just can stand McNabb even though I'm probably closer to his opinion on Jones than to most Giants fans. Apologies.