Quote"I talked to people that knew there were issues in Cleveland, when he was an offensive coordinator there. The same volatility and heatedness in Cleveland," Hughes said. "Remember, Daboll went through several coaching cycles before he got his job. There were some of those issues that were turned up in those coaching cycles and coaching interviews, and they wanted him to address those. And he didn't address them overly well in some of those interviews, which is why those teams passed on him despite his success in Buffalo."
Hughes went on to note that this is something that could continue to "deteriorate" and it may result in offensive coordinator Mike Kafka attempting to leave for a lateral move (if he's not hired as a head coach).
"There's not a zero percent chance that he takes a lateral move. That's not completely incomprehensible — that's still a situation that could be out there," Hughes said. "When you have a coach that loses all three coordinators and maybe two of which because they don't want to work with him anymore, that's a red flag."
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/01/27/volatility-issues-cost-brian-daboll-coaching-jobs-prior-new-york-giants-hire/?taid=65b4e115b5bf6000011d375a&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter
If you want to hear the radio appearance, it's at the 30-minute mark of segment 2
https://www.audacy.com/wfan/hosts/brandon-tierney-and-sal-licata
He needs therapy or anger management. The Giants should hire a psychologist or psychiatrist or an AM counselor. He's been in the league 24 years and it took 22 years to become a HC and some here asked why. Its baggage. Same with Eric Bieniemy. They have a reputation that holds them back. Maybe he sees the players as his children, and that's why he hasn't lost the locker room.
Quote from: Ed Vette on January 27, 2024, 07:47:00 AMHe needs therapy or anger management. The Giants should hire a psychologist or psychiatrist or an AM counselor. He's been in the league 24 years and it took 22 years to become a HC and some here asked why. Its baggage. Same with Eric Bieniemy. They have a reputation that holds them back. Maybe he sees the players as his children, and that's why he hasn't lost the locker room.
The Giants already have one on staff
Lani Lawrence, PsyD- Director of Wellness and Clinical Services, Player Engagement
Nohelani (Lani) Lawrence, Psy.D., is the Director of Wellness and Clinical Services for the New York Football Giants. Prior to joining the Giants, Dr. Lani was a clinical and sport psychologist at the University of Southern California. Her background in both sport and clinical psychology has led to a unique perspective regarding the concerns of student-athletes. At SC she provides performance enhancement training and mental health support to 21 elite NCAA Division-I teams, including men's and women's basketball, track & field, and swimming. She is a licensed psychologist in the State of California and New Jersey, and a Certified Mental Performance Consultant (CMPC) of the Association for Applied Sport Psychology.
As an adjunct professor for the USC Freshman Seminar: Foundations of Self for Women of Color, her course examined the complex experience of being a woman of color within collegiate athletics. She has given several domestic and international presentations on the unique challenges faced by LGBT student-athletes such as the coming-out process and multiple-minority identity. Dr. Lani is active in several professional organizations including American Psychological Association (APA) and the Association for Applied Sport Psychology. She was elected as the inaugural Membership Service Division Head of AASP's Executive Board (2017-2020).
She has earned a Psy.D. in Clinical Psychology with an emphasis in Sport Psychology from the University of Denver and went on to complete both her pre-doctoral and post-doctoral internship at USC's Student Counseling Services. Previously, she received her Ed.M. in Counseling Psychology, with emphasis in Sport Psychology from Boston University and B.S. in Psychology from Northeastern University.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nohelani-m-lawrence-psyd-b0475012
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 27, 2024, 08:04:04 AMThe Giants already have one on staff
Lani Lawrence, PsyD- Director of Wellness and Clinical Services, Player Engagement
Nohelani (Lani) Lawrence, Psy.D., is the Director of Wellness and Clinical Services for the New York Football Giants. Prior to joining the Giants, Dr. Lani was a clinical and sport psychologist at the University of Southern California. Her background in both sport and clinical psychology has led to a unique perspective regarding the concerns of student-athletes. At SC she provides performance enhancement training and mental health support to 21 elite NCAA Division-I teams, including men's and women's basketball, track & field, and swimming. She is a licensed psychologist in the State of California and New Jersey, and a Certified Mental Performance Consultant (CMPC) of the Association for Applied Sport Psychology.
As an adjunct professor for the USC Freshman Seminar: Foundations of Self for Women of Color, her course examined the complex experience of being a woman of color within collegiate athletics. She has given several domestic and international presentations on the unique challenges faced by LGBT student-athletes such as the coming-out process and multiple-minority identity. Dr. Lani is active in several professional organizations including American Psychological Association (APA) and the Association for Applied Sport Psychology. She was elected as the inaugural Membership Service Division Head of AASP's Executive Board (2017-2020).
She has earned a Psy.D. in Clinical Psychology with an emphasis in Sport Psychology from the University of Denver and went on to complete both her pre-doctoral and post-doctoral internship at USC's Student Counseling Services. Previously, she received her Ed.M. in Counseling Psychology, with emphasis in Sport Psychology from Boston University and B.S. in Psychology from Northeastern University.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nohelani-m-lawrence-psyd-b0475012
These staff members are only as good as the people who want to use them to help themselves work through their internal challenges. When they do, they can make all the difference for players, coaches and staff members.
I hope the Giants leverage them for their mental health and wellness in a tough and demanding business.
Peace!
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 27, 2024, 08:04:04 AMThe Giants already have one on staff
Lani Lawrence, PsyD- Director of Wellness and Clinical Services, Player Engagement
Nohelani (Lani) Lawrence, Psy.D., is the Director of Wellness and Clinical Services for the New York Football Giants. Prior to joining the Giants, Dr. Lani was a clinical and sport psychologist at the University of Southern California. Her background in both sport and clinical psychology has led to a unique perspective regarding the concerns of student-athletes. At SC she provides performance enhancement training and mental health support to 21 elite NCAA Division-I teams, including men's and women's basketball, track & field, and swimming. She is a licensed psychologist in the State of California and New Jersey, and a Certified Mental Performance Consultant (CMPC) of the Association for Applied Sport Psychology.
As an adjunct professor for the USC Freshman Seminar: Foundations of Self for Women of Color, her course examined the complex experience of being a woman of color within collegiate athletics. She has given several domestic and international presentations on the unique challenges faced by LGBT student-athletes such as the coming-out process and multiple-minority identity. Dr. Lani is active in several professional organizations including American Psychological Association (APA) and the Association for Applied Sport Psychology. She was elected as the inaugural Membership Service Division Head of AASP's Executive Board (2017-2020).
She has earned a Psy.D. in Clinical Psychology with an emphasis in Sport Psychology from the University of Denver and went on to complete both her pre-doctoral and post-doctoral internship at USC's Student Counseling Services. Previously, she received her Ed.M. in Counseling Psychology, with emphasis in Sport Psychology from Boston University and B.S. in Psychology from Northeastern University.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nohelani-m-lawrence-psyd-b0475012
Hopefully they make use of her.
Wait the Giants did not uncover this during their due diligence on him?
Quote from: Philosophers on January 27, 2024, 09:39:06 AMWait the Giants did not uncover this during their due diligence on him?
I would have to think, since he worked with him in Buffalo, that Joe Schoen was well aware. I also have to think that Joe Schoen believed it wouldn't be a problem.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 27, 2024, 09:41:09 AMI would have to think, since he worked with him in Buffalo, that Joe Schoen was well aware. I also have to think that Joe Schoen believed it wouldn't be a problem.
It's possible the Daboll stories are being overblown but at this point it's getting harder and harder to have a lot of confidence in Schoen.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 27, 2024, 10:10:02 AMIt's possible the Daboll stories are being overblown but at this point it's getting harder and harder to have a lot of confidence in Schoen.
The overblown is possible, but I am also mindful of this- Writing negative stories about the Giants, when you are a Giants beat writer, comes with risk. After all, the Giants grant you your press pass and are the ones that set up most of your interviews with members of the team. Being on their feces list is less than ideal.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 27, 2024, 10:18:11 AMThe overblown is possible, but I am also mindful of this- Writing negative stories about the Giants, when you are a Giants beat writer, comes with risk. After all, the Giants grant you your press pass and are the ones that set up most of your interviews with members of the team. Being on their feces list is less than ideal.
Rich: What you say is true, but can you remember them ever banning anyone recently? Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on January 27, 2024, 10:28:11 AMRich: What you say is true, but can you remember them ever banning anyone recently? Bob
I can't think of any. Although I would think such moves would be done quietly. Like the team calling the reporter's bossed
I don't know about banning writers, but I could see ostracizing.
Quote from: Doc16LT56 on January 27, 2024, 10:10:02 AMIt's possible the Daboll stories are being overblown but at this point it's getting harder and harder to have a lot of confidence in Schoen.
I've wondered also.
Nick Saban ripped his coaches weekly. Parcells as well.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 27, 2024, 10:57:47 AMI've wondered also.
Nick Saban ripped his coaches weekly. Parcells as well.
Different eras, plus the more pelts on the wall, the more you can get away with. Beyond that, people will tolerate more when you're winning
Quote from: Philosophers on January 27, 2024, 10:57:47 AMI've wondered also.
Nick Saban ripped his coaches weekly. Parcells as well.
When Daboll gets to the Saban or Parcell status, he can let it rip.
Asking a serious question because I dont remember
Did Daboll have these anger issues in his first year??
Dumpster Dan
Quote from: Dumpster Dan on January 27, 2024, 11:59:19 AMAsking a serious question because I dont remember
Did Daboll have these anger issues in his first year??
Dumpster Dan
Connor addressed this. He said his issues were better tolerated when they were winning
Like someone else wrote
How didnt they know about this before
If no one cared then why not
If it was a one time thing i can see
But
K toney
E apple
The other cornerback that had a gamble.problem
All these players they said had no problems and just wanted to play ball
Something is wrong
For God sake
Let's be done with this mess cuz it won't get better.
Hire Rivera (see Joe Torre hiring by the Yankees)
or Hire Vrabel
This organization needs a spark
NOT
putting out constant fires.
Coach Sparky ain't gonna change and more importantly he makes terrible crunch time decisions, probably as a result of his uncontrollable temper. See his halftime interview at Buffalo.
And Graham Gano decision, or rather lack of a proper decision for almost a month.
2 losses for the lack of guts, brains or football sense where a grand total of TWO yards insures victory.
Let's not even discuss the 4 to 5 games we looked totally unprepared. INEXCUSABLE.
Our starters are not such a well oiled machine that they sit on the bench the entire preseason. They should play at least half of every preseason game, potential for injury be damned.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 27, 2024, 09:39:06 AMWait the Giants did not uncover this during their due diligence on him?
You mean the same Giants that made Joe Judge their head coach?
Bring back Colonel Tom in as President of Football Operations: Schoen & Daboll both report to him and all the Mara/Tish clowns are contractually obligated to sit down & STFU.
Tommy in the end is a steady hand who guides Daboll visa vis his behavior....and keeps the organization honest on its promise protecting Schoen to run the football operation with no interference.
Then sit back and enjoy watching the Giants get back to its winning ways.
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For me, the question is, did Mara hire Schoen and Daboll as a package, or was it Schoen that he wanted and so left the HC decision to his new GM as is generally the case? The answer may be what determines the future for one (Daboll) or both depending on the team's performance.
Cheers!
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 28, 2024, 12:06:02 PMBring back Colonel Tom in as President of Football Operations: Schoen & Daboll both report to him and all the Mara/Tish clowns are contractually obligated to sit down & STFU.
Tommy in the end is a steady hand who guides Daboll visa vis his behavior....and keeps the organization honest on its promise protecting Schoen to run the football operation with no interference.
Then sit back and enjoy watching the Giants get back to its winning ways.
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Because things worked out so well with Coughlin in Jacksonville in the same capacity.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 28, 2024, 09:33:50 PMBecause things worked out so well with Coughlin in Jacksonville in the same capacity.
I'd take Tom back in a minute. Jacksonville did well for awhile with Tom and remember his wife was very sick also so who knows what he was or wasn't able to do in those days
Quote from: TDToomer on January 28, 2024, 09:33:50 PMBecause things worked out so well with Coughlin in Jacksonville in the same capacity.
He wouldn't be making personnel decisions in the role I suggested.
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Quote from: Trench on January 28, 2024, 09:37:29 PMI'd take Tom back in a minute. Jacksonville did well for awhile with Tom and remember his wife was very sick also so who knows what he was or wasn't able to do in those days
The has one good season where they beat the Steelers in the playoffs with all the players drafted by Dave Caldwell before Coughlin arrived. Beside that one season they sucked and because the worst team in the NFL, leading to the right to draft Lawrence. Coughlin has proven NOTHING as a front office executive. He is also 75 this year.
Between him and Belichick what is with this obsession with aging football coaches on this forum? It's a young mans league.
I'd rather Coughlin than Dabol to be honest
Quote from: TDToomer on January 28, 2024, 09:45:05 PMThe has one good season where they beat the Steelers in the playoffs with all the players drafted by Dave Caldwell before Coughlin arrived. Beside that one season they sucked and because the worst team in the NFL, leading to the right to draft Lawrence. Coughlin has proven NOTHING as a front office executive. He is also 75 this year.
Between him and Belichick what is with this obsession with aging football coaches on this forum? It's a young mans league.
Yeah, I mean Andy Reed is a Young Buck!
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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 28, 2024, 10:05:15 PMYeah, I mean Andy Reed is a Young Buck!
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Who wins year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year... Stop embarrassing yourself.
Guys. Have you seen interviews with Tom Coughlin recently?
His football career is most definitely over. Nostalgia is never a good way to manage a football franchise. Let the man enjoy his golden years with his grandkids.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 28, 2024, 10:47:49 PMWho wins year after year after year after year after year after year after year after year... Stop embarrassing yourself.
Which serves to prove that you can be older and win year after year after year.
I have to say you're very acidic in your replies to folks with whom you don't agree.
Additionally your ageism is very offensive. I work with very effective leaders well into their 70's...I myself lead a team of 40 and I'm in my 60's.
Your preference is young up and comers and that's fine. But proclaiming that NFL coaching is "a young man's game" is very prejudice and not necessarily factual.
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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 29, 2024, 07:24:46 AMWhich serves to prove that you can be older and win year after year after year.
I have to say you're very acidic in your replies to folks with whom you don't agree.
Additionally your ageism is very offensive. I work with very effective leaders well into their 70's...I myself lead a team of 40 and I'm in my 60's.
Your preference is young up and comers and that's fine. But proclaiming that NFL coaching is "a young man's game" is very prejudice and not necessarily factual.
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Corporate jobs are different. Normal hours. Comfortable and professional environment. Not judged every day by drunken fans and whacked out shock radio jocks. You can work till you are 70 in this career path if you chose but most retire by 65. Being an NFL head coach is not easy when you are on the wrong side of 70. I used the Dusty Baker comparison where he won a World Series at 72 and just retired at 74. Managing a baseball team is not nearly as intense as being head coach a pro football team.
This has nothing to do with ageism. It's about reality. Hence why no one wants Belichick and his reputation has taken a hit since his teams have gotten worse since Brady left.
I believe Coughlin is consulting for Antonio Pierce and the Raiders. I think the scope will be limited to assembling the coaching staff but not sure about that.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 29, 2024, 09:03:45 AMCorporate jobs are different. Normal hours. Comfortable and professional environment. Not judged every day by drunken fans and whacked out shock radio jocks. You can work till you are 70 in this career path if you chose but most retire by 65. Being an NFL head coach is not easy when you are on the wrong side of 70. I used the Dusty Baker comparison where he won a World Series at 72 and just retired at 74. Managing a baseball team is not nearly as intense as being head coach a pro football team.
This has nothing to do with ageism. It's about reality. Hence why no one wants Belichick and his reputation has taken a hit since his teams have gotten worse since Brady left.
We have absolutely no idea whether or not if baseball managers have a more intense situation than football coaches. All we can do is speculate.
Baseball has 162 high pressure games per year, more frequent injuries to manage in terms of the amount of moves, and much more travel and family upheaval. Billy Martin for instance was the picture of high stress. Jim Leyland and Earl Weaver also. Even Buck Showalter seemed extremely fatigued last season.
Quote from: TDToomer on January 29, 2024, 09:03:45 AMCorporate jobs are different. Normal hours. Comfortable and professional environment. Not judged every day by drunken fans and whacked out shock radio jocks. You can work till you are 70 in this career path if you chose but most retire by 65. Being an NFL head coach is not easy when you are on the wrong side of 70. I used the Dusty Baker comparison where he won a World Series at 72 and just retired at 74. Managing a baseball team is not nearly as intense as being head coach a pro football team.
This has nothing to do with ageism. It's about reality. Hence why no one wants Belichick and his reputation has taken a hit since his teams have gotten worse since Brady left.
So you are summarily going to broad-stroke corporate jobs to suit your narrative now?
You have no idea how many hours I or my colleagues work nor the environ in which we do the same. I am on trains and cars throughout the tri-state every day and my average work week is 55+ hours (not including when I'm on call.
You can deny ageism all you want...it's in writing so good luck with that.
By the way who are you voting for in the next Presidential election?
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Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 29, 2024, 11:08:23 AMSo you are summarily going to broad-stroke corporate jobs to suit your narrative now?
You have no idea how many hours I or my colleagues work nor the environ in which we do the same. I am on trains and cars throughout the tri-state every day and my average work week is 55+ hours (not including when I'm on call.
You can deny ageism all you want...it's in writing so good luck with that.
By the way who are you voting for in the next Presidential election?
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Why go there? Lets just try and keep it to football.
Quote from: andrew_nyGiants on January 29, 2024, 11:08:23 AMSo you are summarily going to broad-stroke corporate jobs to suit your narrative now?
You have no idea how many hours I or my colleagues work nor the environ in which we do the same. I am on trains and cars throughout the tri-state every day and my average work week is 55+ hours (not including when I'm on call.
You can deny ageism all you want...it's in writing so good luck with that.
By the way who are you voting for in the next Presidential election?
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Did I strike a nerve? So busy but posting all the time during working hours I see.
It's takes 10 seconds to post...it takes less than that to expose oneself as prejudice.
I am an outstanding multi-tasker.
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Let's get it back on topic fellas.