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Just confirmed. 3 years..36 mil

Wow.

Congrats Saquon. Gonna miss ya.

At least you'll have an opportunity to live up to your potential.

Wow.

Good for him.

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1767259701186543678?

https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1767260587103261114?s=20

Glad for him.  HATE it has to be the Eagles.  Behind a real OL and with a threat at QB....watch out.  :(

And look at all that money.  I guess he was a lot more valuable than 99% of this board thought.  I'm not all that surprised. 

Good for him. Way more than I ever expected.

So pissed it ended up being the eagles.

So between last year and this contract, 37 million guaranteed. 

I cannot believe that the Giants would not pay him that . That is the highest amount that a running back got so far . Swift and Pollard got about $8 million . I don't know what Jacobs is getting from the Packers . How do the Eagles always seem to have money to spend . First Huff and now Barkley

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 02:51:41 PMSo pissed it ended up being the eagles

Me too. Who is going to replace him , both as a player , a captain , a leader etc.?

A decent O line, a threatening QB. I think he's gonna fly with the Eagles (if he remains healthy).

The Iggles had a plan and executed it.  Huff and Barkley were their priorities.

Don't know about the Barkley signing, depends how much tread he has left on those tires--but he wanted to go to Philly since he's from the area.

Think the better signing for them is Huff.  They couldn't rush the QB worth a damn the last third of the year, and Fangio isn't much-known for blitzing a lot.

To me, the biggest question for them is--just how good a QB is Jalen Hurts really?

Dead to me

This is a sign that the expectations for the next two seasons are low and it's better to invest elsewhere because a RB isn't going to make the difference with so many needs. He was the best player on the Offense and the Giants still couldn't compete. Great leader and teammate. He slowed a step but he's got plenty in the tank and will thrive and likely have his best years down the Pike.

I'm not happy for him at all. He was a Captain. Was never gonna have to worry about $ regardless after this contract. In NY if he did well he also had more endorsements coming. Show some class and give Giants a chance to make a better offer at least.

He is in our stadium I will boo. No ovations for the RB touched by the hand of God or whatever he was supposed to be.

https://x.com/movethesticks/status/1767265580359581935?s=46&t=AA9Ptl-VPYK0JnuHE-oAWA

Might not be as easy as some here think to draft a decent running back

Quote from: Trench on March 11, 2024, 03:09:43 PMI'm not happy for him at all. He was a Captain. Was never gonna have to worry about $ regardless after this contract. In NY if he did well he also had more endorsements coming. Show some class and give Giants a chance to make a better offer at least.

He is in our stadium I will boo. No ovations for the RB touched by the hand of God or whatever he was supposed to be.

Who says he didn't give the Giants a chance?  They could have signed him before this even started.

Quote from: Trench on March 11, 2024, 03:09:43 PMI'm not happy for him at all. He was a Captain. Was never gonna have to worry about $ regardless after this contract. In NY if he did well he also had more endorsements coming. Show some class and give Giants a chance to make a better offer at least.

He is in our stadium I will boo. No ovations for the RB touched by the hand of God or whatever he was supposed to be.

I agree. I thought there was an understanding that he would give the Giants the ability to match

I'm not getting worked up over this. Let someone else overpay him, I'm glad the Giants didn't. Schoen has much more work to do fixing this team than overpaying for a RB IMO.

There is no way in hell he received a better or even comparable offer from Schoen than this deal.  If he had- he'd be a Giant, which was always his preferred option.  At first glance, this offer is even better than the money he was asking for from the Giants ALREADY (reportedly)- which they never agreed on and led to the tag. 

Quote from: ozzie on March 11, 2024, 03:16:14 PMI'm not getting worked up over this. Let someone else overpay him, I'm glad the Giants didn't. Schoen has much more work to do fixing this team than overpaying for a RB IMO.

To be clear, I understand the Giants not wanting to spend that money on him.  I love the player and just wished he had gone to the AFC so I didn't have to hate him.

I wonder how Barkley's and the Giant's fortunes would have changed if Barkley hadn't picked his first agent for her looks and Barkley had signed the similar three-year deal with the Giants and freed up the franchise tag to use as more leverage over Jones...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIaY5uHXAAAdbvz?format=jpg&name=large)

Interesting and more damning for Schoen (who should have traded him last season if this was his intention)


https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1767269370034585924?s=20

Good riddance. His talk was just that - talk. No loyalty. This is another reason why we don't need 10 Captains.
The title is watered down.

I predict whoever our RB will be is going to be close to what Saquon does for Philly. Hope he keeps running into the backs of his new Olinemen.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 11, 2024, 03:19:46 PM(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIaY5uHXAAAdbvz?format=jpg&name=large)

Yep a scumbag

You fake a** New Yorker..... Hope the Eagles continue to collapse like we saw at the end of the season even with the addition of you and Huff. Hope you age quickly now and fall into the RB short shelf life narrative and in the process tie money up on the Eagles cap space

DEAD to me

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 11, 2024, 03:21:34 PMInteresting and more damning for Schoen (who should have traded him last season if this was his intention)


https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1767269370034585924?s=20

He underestimated the FA Market.

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 03:24:23 PMYep a scumbag

You fake a** New Yorker..... Hope the Eagles continue to collapse like we saw at the end of the season even with the addition of you and Huff. Hope you age quickly now and fall into the RB short shelf life narrative and in the process tie money up on the Eagles cap space

DEAD to me

I can't blame you for feeling this way.  Even though Barkley kept his nose clean, for some reason I found him a hard Giants star to like.

Well, now it is truly Daniel Jones team.

Will be interesting to hear if Barkley has any negatives to say about Dabol as well.

Some people are genuinely good people. I won't root for him against us, obviously. But I want to see him do well. He served his sentence in NY. Go forth and prosper.  :ok:

Quote from: T200 on March 11, 2024, 03:32:44 PMSome people are genuinely good people. I won't root for him against us, obviously. But I want to see him do well. He served his sentence in NY. Go forth and prosper.  :ok:

+1

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 03:24:23 PMYep a scumbag

You fake a** New Yorker..... Hope the Eagles continue to collapse like we saw at the end of the season even with the addition of you and Huff. Hope you age quickly now and fall into the RB short shelf life narrative and in the process tie money up on the Eagles cap space

DEAD to me

I'm sorry, but this is actually hilarious.  Someone dug up a tweet from 2014....when he was still in high school (and apparently Mark Sanchez was still a thing lol)....and is using that to call him some sort of traitor because he got an offer way higher than the Giants ever would?  What a scumbag.   =))  =))  =))  =))  =))

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 11, 2024, 03:25:55 PMI can't blame you for feeling this way.  Even though Barkley kept his nose clean, for some reason I found him a hard Giants star to like.

Same way I felt about Tiki , I kind of felt about Barkley (to a lesser extent). I remember Tiki being such a stand up dude. I remember him helping up the other teams players off the ground after running them over ALL THE TIME , and I remember thinking this has to be the nicest dude ever

Kind of feel the same way about Barkley.

I felt betrayed by Tiki and hated him after he just started randomly started running his mouth . At the point I was like wow this guy true colors are showing and he's a certified douche

Barkley accelerated my hate , as I hate the Eagles more than anyone including the Cowboys . For the sake of his Giants legacy I hope he does not begin to talk sh**. Yea they may not have given you the bag you wanted. (offer was close to it supposedly) But you made out like a bandit .. franchise tag for 1 year and still got the overpaid RB contract.

Barkley don't forget where you came from.... Giants made you the #2 overall draft pick in a draft ..when runningbacks that quite simply can produce decently or even at times better than you in mid rounds . So before you go out there and talk out your You azz ... remember that.... you blew that money on bitcoin not the giants

WIth that being said... you are an Eagle now... so **** you and I hope you suck and you tie up the Eagles in cap hell.... JERK

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 03:18:33 PMTo be clear, I understand the Giants not wanting to spend that money on him.  I love the player and just wished he had gone to the AFC so I didn't have to hate him.

I hope you didn't read this as a direct reply to you Uconn. I was just making a general statement on my feelings of the whole situation.

I hope he earns every penny, and if history holds true may most of it be on the sidelines. He's a HATED iggle now. Good riddance. Most if not all of the Giants' current woes are on Mara. Hiring Gettleman, and opening his mouth about how they screwed up Jones, which led to the compromised two year contract. Which I believe is how it happened. Almost the entire offense now has to be constructed. I'm not using the term reconstructed because there has not been a construct. John the the F out of the way, and just stand by the cash register. So the Falcons don't need a QB, but Minn. is desperate for one. QB's are going 1-2-3 in the draft. Now I believe that's how we have to go too. Hopefully JJ will be there at 6. I'd love to get him, unless history repeats and Minn. is willing to give us a BOATLOAD of draft capital to move up. I think the Cards will take Harrison, and Harbaugh a lineman(Alt).

Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 11, 2024, 03:38:47 PMI'm sorry, but this is actually hilarious.  Someone dug up a tweet from 2014....when he was still in high school (and apparently Mark Sanchez was still a thing lol)....and is using that to call him some sort of traitor because he got an offer way higher than the Giants ever would?  What a scumbag.   =))  =))  =))  =))  =))

I didn't post that tweet

That being said... I have every right to be mad about this

Just like I was pissed/saddened when Nets traded Jason Kidd.... I can be pissed about this


Ill get over it... but for now ... he can **** himself

For the record:

Tiki was better than Saquon

Quote from: ozzie on March 11, 2024, 03:41:29 PMI hope you didn't read this as a direct reply to you Uconn. I was just making a general statement on my feelings of the whole situation.

I didnt, was just further explaining my view. I think there are some others with similar views

Quote from: Trench on March 11, 2024, 03:43:05 PMFor the record:

Tiki was better than Saquon

At the end of his career he was, not the at the beginning. 

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 03:45:12 PMAt the end of his career he was, not the at the beginning. 

Should have said:

Tiki will be remembered as a better Giant

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 03:45:12 PMAt the end of his career he was, not the at the beginning. 

Didnt he have two 2,000 yard rushing seasons ?

Barkley could have been better but he wasn't

As Rich mentioned although not in this context, just think if Schoen had paid the man three million more in Guaranteed money, he would still be here the next two seasons and Jones would have been tagged. I can't blame the man for taking care of his future and his family and his legacy.

Would Schoen be offering Jones another contract, tagging him again or moving on?

As good as Saquon may have on been on the Giants, he really never made them a winning team. That's the harsh reality when it came to whether it made sense to match the Eagles $38-$47 million/$26 million guaranteed.

It can be a Championship-gaining move for the Eagles as long as Saquon stays healthy. But far from so for the Giants who don't have their QB of the future, anything like an adequate Oline, or a top-notch X-receiver. Like it not, this is still very much a rebuild which might have just as good a chance for a pleasant surprise as the recent decade's more usual shitty ones.

Cheers!

https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1767278136377344218?s=20

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 03:46:52 PMDidnt he have two 2,000 yard rushing seasons ?

Barkley could have been better but he wasn't

InTiki's 1st 5 seasons his highest rushing total was 1006 yards, with about 20 fumbles. 

Quote from: Trench on March 11, 2024, 03:09:43 PMI'm not happy for him at all. He was a Captain. Was never gonna have to worry about $ regardless after this contract. In NY if he did well he also had more endorsements coming. Show some class and give Giants a chance to make a better offer at least.

He is in our stadium I will boo. No ovations for the RB touched by the hand of God or whatever he was supposed to be.

"show some class" after the Giants didn't give him a fair deal AND instead gave it to the worst starting QB in the NFL?

You should show some class to Saquon.

Quote from: MightyGiants on March 11, 2024, 03:21:34 PMInteresting and more damning for Schoen (who should have traded him last season if this was his intention)


https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1767269370034585924?s=20

Schoen may be a worse GM than Gettleman. At least Gettleman found and drafted actual talent, Schoen is doing everything wrong

Quote from: Trench on March 11, 2024, 03:22:39 PMGood riddance. His talk was just that - talk. No loyalty. This is another reason why we don't need 10 Captains.
The title is watered down.

I predict whoever our RB will be is going to be close to what Saquon does for Philly. Hope he keeps running into the backs of his new Olinemen.

WHEN did the Giants show HIM any loyalty?

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 03:24:23 PMYep a scumbag

You fake a** New Yorker..... Hope the Eagles continue to collapse like we saw at the end of the season even with the addition of you and Huff. Hope you age quickly now and fall into the RB short shelf life narrative and in the process tie money up on the Eagles cap space

DEAD to me

He's a "scumbag" after the Giants did not do ANYTHING to even offer him a deal and gave it to a backup QB instead??

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 03:40:33 PMSame way I felt about Tiki , I kind of felt about Barkley (to a lesser extent). I remember Tiki being such a stand up dude. I remember him helping up the other teams players off the ground after running them over ALL THE TIME , and I remember thinking this has to be the nicest dude ever

Kind of feel the same way about Barkley.

I felt betrayed by Tiki and hated him after he just started randomly started running his mouth . At the point I was like wow this guy true colors are showing and he's a certified douche

Barkley accelerated my hate , as I hate the Eagles more than anyone including the Cowboys . For the sake of his Giants legacy I hope he does not begin to talk sh**. Yea they may not have given you the bag you wanted. (offer was close to it supposedly) But you made out like a bandit .. franchise tag for 1 year and still got the overpaid RB contract.

Barkley don't forget where you came from.... Giants made you the #2 overall draft pick in a draft ..when runningbacks that quite simply can produce decently or even at times better than you in mid rounds . So before you go out there and talk out your You azz ... remember that.... you blew that money on bitcoin not the giants

WIth that being said... you are an Eagle now... so **** you and I hope you suck and you tie up the Eagles in cap hell.... JERK

Tiki talked xxxx aboutthe Giants and quit on them. Sauqon WANTED to be in NY the entire time but was disrespected by Schoen with his measly offer.

Immature response.

Quote from: Trench on March 11, 2024, 03:43:05 PMFor the record:

Tiki was better than Saquon

Saquon never had help in NY. like Tiki did

he;s going to be amazing on the Eagles

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 04:02:59 PMWHEN did the Giants show HIM any loyalty?

They offered him a contract just 3 mil less last season ??!!

He could have taken a contract even slightly worse than what he was offered and add that up to the franchise tag season and he would have essentially gotten a 4 year contract more than what the Eagles offered.

Total nonsense that Giants showed him no loyalty

He lied about the "HOMETOWN" discount prior to the contract negotiations when he wanted to be a top 3 paid RB and demanded too much money

In the end Barkley made out for himself .... which is fine

But all the loyalty was to himself not the Giants

It stings, but it's the right move for the New York Giants. We have other priorities right now.


Now.... What am I gonna do with my Barkley jersey?

Good luck Saquon! I'm sorry our unintelligent GM couldn't give you $3 more mil last year and instead stuck us with our current situation.

I will root against the Eagles when we play them, but I will always support you Saquon. A class act and one of the most likable Giants we've ever had.


Even more pressure on Jones now

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 04:06:21 PMThey offered him a contract just 3 mil less last season ??!!

He could have taken a contract even slightly worse than what he was offered and add that up to the franchise tag season and he would have essentially gotten a 4 year contract more than what the Eagles offered.

Total nonsense that Giants showed him no loyalty

He lied about the "HOMETOWN" discount prior to the contract negotiations when he wanted to be a top 3 paid RB and demanded too much money

In the end Barkley made out for himself .... which is fine

But all the loyalty was to himself not the Giants

the entire lokcer room wanted SAQUON not jones to be on their team, LOYALTY would be getting a deal done with Saquon AND GIVING HIM THE 3 MILLION

In retrospect he did make the right choice given how much money he made

HE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES how HE WANTED TO BE. A. GIANT, THE GIANTS DIDN'T EVEN OFFER HIM A CONTRACT THIS OFFSEASON!!!!!!!

the only liar is joe Schoen, quit buying his kool aid

This team hasn't been/isn't ready for a talent like Barkley that's why they couldn't afford him.
Barry Sanders couldn't go to the Super Bowl with this team.

I'm not rooting for him to win in Philly, but I will forever respect what he battled through here.


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For me he was a non issue.

Glad he got his guaranteed money cuz he will be gone in 1 year.

Two games in the win column last season where all we needed was ONE yard.
AND he never saw the ball.

So either the HC is a buffoon.............

OR

Saquon no longer has it.

Personally I vote for both.

I'm surprised people are so pissed at Saquon.  I really don't care about this one way or another.  By the time the Giants are good again, Barkley would be at least 30.  So his timeline doesn't match the Giants.  I do agree with the post above about why didn't we trade him at the deadline last season then.  Schoen had to know that he was not likely to retain him this season, so why keep him in a bad year?

To another post above about Schoen, I do agree that the plan that he and Daboll have is coming into massive question. We lost the best offensive weapon we have and are left with a damaged QB that isn't worth half his contract.  Schoen better start executing a plan and fast.

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 04:05:26 PMSaquon never had help in NY. like Tiki did

he;s going to be amazing on the Eagles

Sadly I agree with this, which is why I wanted him to at least leave the division. 

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 04:02:40 PMSchoen may be a worse GM than Gettleman. At least Gettleman found and drafted actual talent, Schoen is doing everything wrong

You do realize great teams dont pay running backs right? Paying him 40 million for 900 yards and being injured 4 games a year would have been dumb.

The move will sell a lot of hot dogs and T-shirts for the Eagles. 

If Kelce ACTUALLY doesn't return this time (he "retired" last year in the off-season) the OL won't be the same.

Unless the OL can make up for loss of Kelce, Saquon could possibly believe he's still on the Giants next year. lol

Bob

Quote from: Bob In PA on March 11, 2024, 04:44:40 PMThe move will sell a lot of hot dogs and T-shirts for the Eagles. 

If Kelce ACTUALLY doesn't return this time (he "retired" last year in the off-season) the OL won't be the same.

Unless the OL can make up for loss of Kelce, Saquon could possibly believe he's still on the Giants next year. lol

Bob

Guessing Jurgens moves to center and they still have the best RT in football.  I don't see a total collapse here, but maybe a step down.

Quote from: Painter on March 11, 2024, 03:54:07 PMAs good as Saquon may have on been on the Giants, he really never made them a winning team. That's the harsh reality when it came to whether it made sense to match the Eagles $38-$47 million/$26 million guaranteed.

It can be a Championship-gaining move for the Eagles as long as Saquon stays healthy. But far from so for the Giants who don't have their QB of the future, anything like an adequate Oline, or a top-notch X-receiver. Like it not, this is still very much a rebuild which might have just as good a chance for a pleasant surprise as the recent decade's more usual shitty ones.

Cheers!

this is the reality. with all his talent, it never made us a winner. guys like him put teams like the eagles over the top. a loaded team full of talent already that just need that missing piece.

Anywhere but there


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Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2024, 04:37:24 PMYou do realize great teams dont pay running backs right? Paying him 40 million for 900 yards and being injured 4 games a year would have been dumb.

We should have paid him last season instead of our Qb. Let's talk about dumb

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 04:47:15 PMGuessing Jurgens moves to center and they still have the best RT in football.  I don't see a total collapse here, but maybe a step down.

uconn: I don't see Lane Johnson lasting to season's end. If I'm right the OL will take at least two steps down.

Not wishing anything bad on the guy, and he IS tough as nails... but now his opponent is Father Time.

Kelce was a truly outstanding player. Although Jurgens is good, there is simply no comparison whatsoever.

Bob

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 04:57:39 PMWe should have paid him last season instead of our Qb. Let's talk about dumb

And we would be in the exact same place, a below average team. 

Quote from: Bob In PA on March 11, 2024, 04:58:50 PMuconn: I don't see Lane Johnson lasting to season's end. If I'm right the OL will take at least two steps down.

Not wishing anything bad on the guy, and he IS tough as nails... but now his opponent is Father Time.

Kelce was a truly outstanding player. Although Jurgens is good, there is simply no comparison whatsoever.

Bob

Agreed, I almost added for Johnson "if he doesn't get suspended again".

Quote from: kingm56 on March 11, 2024, 05:00:23 PMAnd we would be in the exact same place, a below average team. 

We would have made the playoffs had we signed literally any AVERAGE qb last year.

Quote from: ozzie on March 11, 2024, 03:16:14 PMI'm not getting worked up over this. Let someone else overpay him, I'm glad the Giants didn't. Schoen has much more work to do fixing this team than overpaying for a RB IMO.

This is pretty much how I feel too.

I'm happy for Barkley that he got a great contract from one of the better teams in the league, because I like and respect him. I don't really care all that much that it's the Eagles. I think it will be hard for them to extract the value from him that they've laid out (relative to the present-day market for RBs), but they're in a totally different position than we are, so I can understand them paying up for a playmaker. When you're very close and trying to put yourself over the top, you can do things like this. Makes way more sense for them than it does us.

The one thing I'd say from the Eagles' perspective is their big issue last year seemed to be their D. Their back 7 was brutal. I'm surprised that wasn't the top priority for them in the offseason. I know they signed the guy from the Jets, but they paid $51mm for a guy who basically only plays third downs. I'm not saying Barkley makes no sense for them, but their corners are both old, and their linebackers are suspect. Their defensive problems seemed way too substantial to think they can address them successfully in one draft.

None of that is our problem though. We have enough of our own problems, and paying Barkley $13mm a year or whatever it would have taken was not going to solve them.

My number one gripe is why didn't we trade him for more than what we'll get as a comp pick if the rest of the league values him this much. Surely we could have gotten a 2nd rounder or at least a third plus a fourth.

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 04:57:39 PMWe should have paid him last season instead of our Qb. Let's talk about dumb

No we shouldn't have, we get out of the Jones deal next year. We should have not paid either, what does a 47 million dollar back help a team rebuilding? Answer it doesn't.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2024, 05:08:24 PMNo we shouldn't have, we get out of the Jones deal next year. We should have not paid either, what does a 47 million dollar back help a team rebuilding? Answer it doesn't.

HE WASNT GETTING 47 MILLION LAST YEAR

I always liked Saquon, both as a player and the face of the team. First-class human being.

Unfortunately this is a business, and rebuilding teams don't pay that kind of money to running backs, no matter how nice they are. It works out well for both parties; the Giants found a cheaper alternative and Saquon found some suckers. Well done my man.  <:-P

 Business is business and loyalty is a thing us 'older' fans remember fondly. I always felt Barkley was a great representative of the Giants. You never saw him trash-talk anyone, always played the game clean and was a great role model for any other team player. Like most, I am terribly sorry to see him go and still wonder why we couldn't field a team around him. I am pissed it had to be the Eagles and improve their chances of winning a SB. That will sting.

I wish him the best only not all that much best.

xxxx Tiki! He's a piece of xxxx for how he disrespected Tom and Eli for ratings. FAKE FAKE FAKE

https://twitter.com/saquon/status/1767312447935816034

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 04:00:37 PM"show some class" after the Giants didn't give him a fair deal AND instead gave it to the worst starting QB in the NFL?

You should show some class to Saquon.

I've showed him plenty over the years. He went for the almighty $ and I disagree with that.

I have no problem with professional athletes wanting to get paid as much as they can. Especially running backs, who have an incredibly short shelf life.

What if I told you that at 31 or 32 years old you would be too old to do whatever job you did or have been doing for your whole career? That at about age 32 you'd be cast out of your industry. Then, what would you say to me if I said I disagreed in principle with your trying to make whatever you could while still doing it at age 27, and that I expected you to work for a company that would pay you much less than another company, just because I happened to be a fan of the lesser paying company?

I can't imagine my comments going over very well in that scenario!

Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 11, 2024, 04:06:57 PMIt stings, but it's the right move for the New York Giants. We have other priorities right now.


Now.... What am I gonna do with my Barkley jersey?

Rip the BARKLEY nameplate off it and replace it with CARPENTER (as in Rob).

Peace!

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 06:33:30 PMxxxx Tiki! He's a piece of xxxx for how he disrespected Tom and Eli for ratings. FAKE FAKE FAKE

https://twitter.com/saquon/status/1767312447935816034

ever since the deal was made official he's been acting like an Eagle.....

Seeing home next to their coach will make me sick man

Quote from: killarich on March 11, 2024, 06:52:32 PMever since the deal was made official he's been acting like an Eagle.....

gee i wonder why

I don't understand getting worked up over an aging, oftinjured, underperforming RB that went to your rival.

https://x.com/nydailynews/status/1767330512241041743?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 05:02:43 PMWe would have made the playoffs had we signed literally any AVERAGE qb last year.

The Giants had the 25th ranked defense last year, giving up 23.9 ppg. The issues were far more than just the QB position, and having just an average does not guarantee the playoffs. 

You just know he'll have a great nest season.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on March 11, 2024, 07:54:20 PMThe Giants had the 25th ranked defense last year, giving up 23.9 ppg. The issues were far more than just the QB position, and having just an average does not guarantee the playoffs. 

and why do you think they had such a bad defense? Because the OFFENSE was never on the field.

The issue is 100% the QB when he is clogging up one quarter of your salary and doing absolutely nothing to help others on the field.

Final salute to the worst pick in the gentleman era.

We wasted a 2nd overall on a running back...



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Yup Barkley, the best offensive player on the team for the last half decade was the biggest mistake.   


It wasn't taking Daniel Jones over Josh Allen (DE and others) or not drafting Micah Parson or even taking Kadarius Toney over Christian Darrisaw....DeAndre Baker was a much better pick too..it was Barkley that was the worst.

Mixed reviews on an Eagles Forum.

https://www.eaglesmessageboard.com/topic/11212-eagles-sign-rb-saquon-barkley/page/4/#comments

Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 09:25:16 PMYup Barkley, the best offensive player on the team for the last half decade was the biggest mistake.   


It wasn't taking Daniel Jones over Josh Allen (DE and others) or not drafting Micah Parson or even taking Kadarius Toney over Christian Darrisaw....DeAndre Baker was a much better pick too..it was Barkley that was the worst.

For value per position in the draft against the needs we had at the time, it absolutely was.



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Quote from: uconnjack8 on March 11, 2024, 09:25:16 PMYup Barkley, the best offensive player on the team for the last half decade was the biggest mistake.   


It wasn't taking Daniel Jones over Josh Allen (DE and others) or not drafting Micah Parson or even taking Kadarius Toney over Christian Darrisaw....DeAndre Baker was a much better pick too..it was Barkley that was the worst.

Best offensive player on a team that went 35-65-1 since he was drafted.  His fault or not, this isn't 1992.  Can't have an offense revolving around a RB.

Quote from: coggs on March 11, 2024, 09:38:51 PMBest offensive player on a team that went 35-65-1 since he was drafted.  His fault or not, this isn't 1992.  Can't have an offense revolving around a RB.

And how did drafting him prevent the Giants from selecting the correct guys over the next few years?  Barkley was the least of the draft issues over a several year span not the worst. 

It wouldn't matter if it was 2022, 1992 or 1922, drafting guys like Toney and Baker over guys like Darrisaw and Deebo hurts.  That's what has killed this team, not drafting a productive RB earlier than they should have.

People here are funny and living in a fantasy world expecting professional NFL players to remain "loyal" to teams that don't have any loyalty to any player and will always do what they consider to be in their best interests. If you begrudge SB for going to the Eagles, you have no idea of the reality of the NFL.

As for his future: if he stays healthy, he will absolutely thrive (and probably kill us whenever we play him). But that's a BIG "if".

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4ZXh4IteDf/?igsh=MWw1dnA0bGNubHFzMg==

He went full heel mode lol

Thanks for that picture, I was hoping to throw up in my mouth this morning. :sick:

Quote from: killarich on March 12, 2024, 10:25:03 AMhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/C4ZXh4IteDf/?igsh=MWw1dnA0bGNubHFzMg==

He went full heel mode lol

Saquon should take a break from social media. He got his bag. He should just enjoy this accomplishment and stop reading the comments. It's not a good look for him. This reminds me of when LeBron signed with the Heat and leaned into the bad guy character. People aren't going to like you when you leave their team and that's fine. It's part of the business. He needs to grow up and let it go.

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on March 12, 2024, 11:30:02 AMSaquon should take a break from social media. He got his bag. He should just enjoy this accomplishment and stop reading the comments. It's not a good look for him. This reminds me of when LeBron signed with the Heat and leaned into the bad guy character. People aren't going to like you when you leave their team and that's fine. It's part of the business. He needs to grow up and let it go.

 I agree, he did not post often prior unless it was like an ad or something or some kind of event. Now he cant get off of social media and is acting like a victim and sending subliminal at the Giants and those who are upset he left.

WHich is why I said he is going full Heel mode and acting like a scummy "Eagle". He went from being one of the good guys to someone whos acting everyone owes him something.

His farewell to the Giants and the fans was kind of dry too. X waited a day but he sounded more sincere

https://x.com/wbg84/status/1767291746663166031?

https://x.com/kayvonojulari/status/1767286300250349610?

Switch their teams last year and what would the results look like?

Now Roseman has lost his touch?  Hopefully, but not likely

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 12, 2024, 11:57:42 AMhttps://x.com/kayvonojulari/status/1767286300250349610?

Before some say "He played more games and had less yards"  He also had 31 less carries ...31 X 4 YAC would have netted him 124 more yards and over 1k .... Thats not including any possible 10 + yard runs or anything


Availability is important as well

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 11, 2024, 08:17:31 PMand why do you think they had such a bad defense? Because the OFFENSE was never on the field.

The issue is 100% the QB when he is clogging up one quarter of your salary and doing absolutely nothing to help others on the field.

Actually the Giants average TOP was 29:26.  Hardly 'never'.  The defense just stunk because they couldn't stop the run.  Bottom 5 in rushing defensive metrics.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on March 12, 2024, 12:24:52 PMActually the Giants average TOP was 29:26.  Hardly 'never'.  The defense just stunk because they couldn't stop the run.  Bottom 5 in rushing defensive metrics.

why let facts get in the way?

Guys, let's try and dry these tears up so he has less to drink next year.   =))

Does anyone have the Line grades for last years Texans v Giants. I've looked but don't have PFF sub.

I think that's the telling difference.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 11, 2024, 04:37:24 PMYou do realize great teams dont pay running backs right? Paying him 40 million for 900 yards and being injured 4 games a year would have been dumb.

Unfortunately the Giants haven't been very good at drafting them either. Since Ahmad Bradshaw was taken in 2007, the Giants have drafted Andre Brown, Da'Rel Scott, David Wilson, Michael Cox, Andre Williams, Paul Perkins, Wayne Gallman, Saquon Barkley, Gary Brightwell, and recently Eric Gray.

When you draft like that you start seeing names like Peyton Hillis in your backfield. 

Outside of Barkley none of these guys have been anything better than mediocre with the exception of Wilson (incomplete game, prone to turnovers, eventually lost permanently due to medical) and Gallman (seemed to be in the coach's doghouse.)

It got so bad that the team brought in a mostly washed up Rashad Jennings in 2014 who managed to hang around for a few seasons.

The Giants go into the grocery store of the 2024 draft hungry. Never a great position. Now they add diminutive Devin Singletary to an existing backfield of underwhelming third down "specialists."

They had better get 1000% better at finding these "good running backs in the later rounds" that I keep hearing folks blather on about. 

Great news
Never liked his abilities

Now we can develop an offense that can move the chains not just wait for one or two long runs per game

Onward Ho!!!!!

He also gets hurt a lot btw
I think this gives us a chance to pass philly

Quote from: TONKA56 on March 12, 2024, 01:57:55 PMUnfortunately the Giants haven't been very good at drafting them either. Since Ahmad Bradshaw was taken in 2007, the Giants have drafted Andre Brown, Da'Rel Scott, David Wilson, Michael Cox, Andre Williams, Paul Perkins, Wayne Gallman, Saquon Barkley, Gary Brightwell, and recently Eric Gray.

When you draft like that you start seeing names like Peyton Hillis in your backfield. 

Outside of Barkley none of these guys have been anything better than mediocre with the exception of Wilson (incomplete game, prone to turnovers, eventually lost permanently due to medical) and Gallman (seemed to be in the coach's doghouse.)

It got so bad that the team brought in a mostly washed up Rashad Jennings in 2014 who managed to hang around for a few seasons.

The Giants go into the grocery store of the 2024 draft hungry. Never a great position. Now they add diminutive Devin Singletary to an existing backfield of underwhelming third down "specialists."

They had better get 1000% better at finding these "good running backs in the later rounds" that I keep hearing folks blather on about. 

Just look at the elite teams, they aren't doing anything special in finding backs, they just have an Oline and Quarterback to pair with their 5th rd Rb that sets them up for success.  With the right line and Qb most Rbs will produce. So why not pay the oline and Qb and rotate cheap backs

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2024, 04:48:28 PMJust look at the elite teams, they aren't doing anything special in finding backs, they just have an Oline and Quarterback to pair with their 5th rd Rb that sets them up for success.  With the right line and Qb most Rbs will produce. So why not pay the oline and Qb and rotate cheap backs

3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 12, 2024, 05:26:21 PM3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

The Ravens leading rusher was Gus Edwards and he was undrafted.

The Lions leading rusher was David Montgomery, and he was the 73rd pick

KCs Rb 7th round Pick

Eagles Swift was a 2nd rd pick

Bill James Cook 63rd pick

Cowboys Pollard 128th overall pick

Texans Devin Singletary 74th pick

Packers Aaron Jones 5th rd pick

Dolphins Raheem Mostert undrafted

Rams Karen Williams 5th rd pick

Bucs Rachaad White 3rd rd pick

So what were you saying again? 1 elite team last year, the 49ers had an elite Rb and they didn't even pay most of his salary Carolina did.

Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 12, 2024, 05:26:21 PM3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

BOOM. Mic drop.

Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 12, 2024, 05:26:21 PM3 out of the 4 teams in the championship games last year will head into next year with "premiere" RBs:  Lions, 49ers, Ravens.  2 1st rounders and 1 2nd rounder.  And the other team has Patrick Mahomes.  And, of course, the Eagles just added and paid a 1st round RB. 

So when you say elite teams- do you just mean the Chiefs with Mahomes?

You're crediting 2024 rosters for what was done in 2023. In 2023 Gibbs was a committee back for the Lions and didn't lead the team in rushing but you elevated him to a league premier RB. Derrick Henry didn't play for the Ravens last season so what does he have to do with their success in 2023 which was achieved with a committee of RBs, two of whom were undrafted and the other was a fourth round pick. Meanwhile Derrick Henry's team finished 28th in offense and missed the playoffs.

The reality is 3 of the 4 championship game teams last season did not have a premier RB.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2024, 10:39:15 PM1 elite team last year, the 49ers had an elite Rb and they didn't even pay most of his salary Carolina did.

They didn't invest a first round pick in McCaffrey either. They did what smart teams do which is to get a talented RB at a bargain.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2024, 10:39:15 PMThe Ravens leading rusher was Gus Edwards and he was undrafted.

The Lions leading rusher was David Montgomery, and he was the 73rd pick

KCs Rb 7th round Pick

Eagles Swift was a 2nd rd pick

Bill James Cook 63rd pick

Cowboys Pollard 128th overall pick

Texans Devin Singletary 74th pick

Packers Aaron Jones 5th rd pick

Dolphins Raheem Mostert undrafted

Rams Karen Williams 5th rd pick

Bucs Rachaad White 3rd rd pick

So what were you saying again? 1 elite team last year, the 49ers had an elite Rb and they didn't even pay most of his salary Carolina did.

What was I saying?  It's pretty straightforward- you said look at the elite teams.  So I did.  And I saw 3 out of the 4 elite teams investing a lot of capital in the RB position- with 2 1st rounders (Gibbs, McCaffrey) and a newly acquired top RB originally drafted in the 2nd round (Henry).  And the other team could probably have you or me at RB and still get to the Super Bowl because they have Pat Mahomes. 

I actually completely agree with the sentiment that not a lot of capital should be spent at the RB position- I just found it interesting that you said to look at the elite teams for proof of this thinking and the opposite actually exists.

Quote from: PSUBeirut on March 13, 2024, 08:49:01 AMWhat was I saying?  It's pretty straightforward- you said look at the elite teams.  So I did.  And I saw 3 out of the 4 elite teams investing a lot of capital in the RB position- with 2 1st rounders (Gibbs, McCaffrey) and a newly acquired top RB originally drafted in the 2nd round (Henry).  And the other team could probably have you or me at RB and still get to the Super Bowl because they have Pat Mahomes. 

I actually completely agree with the sentiment that not a lot of capital should be spent at the RB position- I just found it interesting that you said to look at the elite teams for proof of this thinking and the opposite actually exists.

Because the elite teams don't have major holes , they can top off their teams with high level running backs

Not trying to be a di** but I see your name is "PSU" are you mainly a Giants fan or Barkley fan ?

Quote from: killarich on March 13, 2024, 09:10:36 AMBecause the elite teams don't have major holes , they can top off their teams with high level running backs

Not trying to be a di** but I see your name is "PSU" are you mainly a Giants fan or Barkley fan ?

Huge Giants fan, Huge Penn State fan (graduated from there), Huge Barkley fan. 

And you're right about the elite teams being able to add top level RBs because of a lack of holes in other spots- another good and sensible counterpoint to JClayton above- and backed by recent history.

If you look at SB winners - they invested very little in the RB position.

We won twice with late round picks
NE never had a RB that was a first round pick by them.
KC has Pacheco and Damien Williams
TB got fournette for Pennies

RBs aren't that valuable. And Barkley really isn't that great. He is more name than substance now.

Quote from: JT39 on March 13, 2024, 09:16:35 AMIf you look at SB winners - they invested very little in the RB position.

We won twice with late round picks
NE never had a RB that was a first round pick by them.
KC has Pacheco and Damien Williams
TB got fournette for Pennies

RBs aren't that valuable. And Barkley really isn't that great. He is more name than substance now.

I hate this game because every year is different.  KC hasn't heavily invested in WRs either, they Jettisoned the best WR in the game and then won 2 Super Bowls in a row.  NE didn't invest heavily in WRs for most of their Super Bowls either.  I guess WRs aren't that valuable. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 12, 2024, 04:48:28 PMJust look at the elite teams, they aren't doing anything special in finding backs, they just have an Oline and Quarterback to pair with their 5th rd Rb that sets them up for success.  With the right line and Qb most Rbs will produce. So why not pay the oline and Qb and rotate cheap backs

OK I'm confused. What does this have to do with what I said? I'm not arguing that we should have retained Barkley, nor am I insisting that you need to spend premium draft capital on a running back.

But you need to draft players. I don't share this opinion that you can just stick any bum back there regardless of your line play or quarterback. That's a position where you need a guy that can play beyond the xs and os some of the time. 

Quote from: TONKA56 on March 13, 2024, 06:24:41 PMOK I'm confused. What does this have to do with what I said? I'm not arguing that we should have retained Barkley, nor am I insisting that you need to spend premium draft capital on a running back.

But you need to draft players. I don't share this opinion that you can just stick any bum back there regardless of your line play or quarterback. That's a position where you need a guy that can play beyond the xs and os some of the time. 

I was agreeing with your assessment and that they should get better at drafting guys late because elite teams don't typically pay for RB talent.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 13, 2024, 07:24:29 PMI was agreeing with your assessment and that they should get better at drafting guys late because elite teams don't typically pay for RB

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 13, 2024, 07:24:29 PMI was agreeing with your assessment and that they should get better at drafting guys late because elite teams don't typically pay for RB talent.

10-4.  :ok:

Let the guy bumble around in Sirianni's clownshow, behind a declining Eagles OL. The Eagles looked broken by the end of the year and Barkley isn't going to fix it. He's been an unlucky guy here and he'll continue to be unlucky going to PHI at the wrong time.

That said, I agree Barkley had no chance here, much like Daniel Jones. I was OK picking a once in a lifetime RB at #2 PROVIDED you build your franchise around his talents. Run heavy scheme with the QB up under C and the OL down in 3 pt. stances. Downhill. Big slobberknocking TEs. Think Kevin Gilbride running game.

Instead, he's used as a bit player, taking shotgun inside hand-offs while they try to be a passing team. As usual, there was no vision, strategy or plan with the pick.

Quote from: 4 Aces on March 14, 2024, 12:53:37 AMLet the guy bumble around in Sirianni's clownshow, behind a declining Eagles OL. The Eagles looked broken by the end of the year and Barkley isn't going to fix it. He's been an unlucky guy here and he'll continue to be unlucky going to PHI at the wrong time.

That said, I agree Barkley had no chance here, much like Daniel Jones. I was OK picking a once in a lifetime RB at #2 PROVIDED you build your franchise around his talents. Run heavy scheme with the QB up under C and the OL down in 3 pt. stances. Downhill. Big slobberknocking TEs. Think Kevin Gilbride running game.

Instead, he's used as a bit player, taking shotgun inside hand-offs while they try to be a passing team. As usual, there was no vision, strategy or plan with the pick.

no one in recent memory has been given more chances and excuses than Daniel jones.

Saquon was a pro bowler and rookie of year. He has proven himself. Please do not compare them as equivalent when Saquon should have been chosen over jones a year ago and thrived with a drake maye type

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 14, 2024, 09:27:54 PMno one in recent memory has been given more chances and excuses than Daniel jones.

Saquon was a pro bowler and rookie of year. He has proven himself. Please do not compare them as equivalent when Saquon should have been chosen over jones a year ago and thrived with a drake maye type

Jones is a bad, injury-prone QB who was somehow given way more money than he was ever worth for primarily emotional, highly speculative, but ultimately impossible to justify reasons.

Saquon is a highly talented RB who had a couple good years with the Giants but is not longer the player he once was, due to aging and injuries, and is now being overpaid by a rival.

I agree that they're definitely different.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 14, 2024, 09:48:43 PMJones is a bad, injury-prone QB who was somehow given way more money than he was ever worth for primarily emotional, highly speculative, but ultimately impossible to justify reasons.

Saquon is a highly talented RB who had a couple good years with the Giants but is not longer the player he once was, due to aging and injuries, and is now being overpaid by a rival.

I agree that they're definitely different.

I wouldn't say it's bc of aging (yes injuries) I'd say it's opportunity and fit for the team. His numbers will
Improve with Hurts and that offense. That I know.

Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 14, 2024, 09:53:15 PMI wouldn't say it's bc of aging (yes injuries) I'd say it's opportunity and fit for the team. His numbers will
Improve with Hurts and that offense. That I know.

He will not be the player he was in 2018, because he isn't that player anymore. Injuries have taken their toll, and it's a young man's position.

He's still very good. No doubt about that. But he's not the same player he was in 2018. There is also no doubt about that.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on March 14, 2024, 10:27:28 PMHe will not be the player he was in 2018, because he isn't that player anymore. Injuries have taken their toll, and it's a young man's position.

He's still very good. No doubt about that. But he's not the same player he was in 2018. There is also no doubt about that.

True but never has he been in a better position.. would it surprise you to see him set career high's in TD's next season?

Quote from: 4 Aces on March 14, 2024, 12:53:37 AMLet the guy bumble around in Sirianni's clownshow, behind a declining Eagles OL. The Eagles looked broken by the end of the year and Barkley isn't going to fix it. He's been an unlucky guy here and he'll continue to be unlucky going to PHI at the wrong time.

That said, I agree Barkley had no chance here, much like Daniel Jones. I was OK picking a once in a lifetime RB at #2 PROVIDED you build your franchise around his talents. Run heavy scheme with the QB up under C and the OL down in 3 pt. stances. Downhill. Big slobberknocking TEs. Think Kevin Gilbride running game.

Instead, he's used as a bit player, taking shotgun inside hand-offs while they try to be a passing team. As usual, there was no vision, strategy or plan with the pick.

100%.  When you draft a skill position player at 2, you have to think about designing your identity around his skillset and have the people to do it.

With a great OL in the Snee, Diehl era, look how productive our running game was with backs with 50% of Saquon's talent.

The best comp for a style that would have suited Saquon was Michigan's offense.  Run Saquon a lot in a pin and pull blocking scheme and set up play action passes.

Instead as you noted, Saquon was used oddly. 

I wish him much success (except against the Giants).

Barkley is now an Eagle
Nuff said.   See ya!


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Quote from: 4 Aces on March 14, 2024, 12:53:37 AMLet the guy bumble around in Sirianni's clownshow, behind a declining Eagles OL. The Eagles looked broken by the end of the year and Barkley isn't going to fix it. He's been an unlucky guy here and he'll continue to be unlucky going to PHI at the wrong time.

That said, I agree Barkley had no chance here, much like Daniel Jones. I was OK picking a once in a lifetime RB at #2 PROVIDED you build your franchise around his talents. Run heavy scheme with the QB up under C and the OL down in 3 pt. stances. Downhill. Big slobberknocking TEs. Think Kevin Gilbride running game.

Instead, he's used as a bit player, taking shotgun inside hand-offs while they try to be a passing team. As usual, there was no vision, strategy or plan with the pick.

Aces: Barkley will still sell a lot of hot dogs and t-shirts. lol