https://x.com/dduggan21/status/1768423945760276846?s=46&t=189NN-KdTdgB2SgHszC6_A
Looking more and more likely we will end up cutting Jokes so his contract cap is split for 2 years. Good riddance!!
A qb comp between Drake Maye and Lock is a dream come true.
Why would he come here to compete for one season if they draft a QB? To prove to the league he can be a starter. Or to get the experience.
This is interesting.
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 14, 2024, 09:19:45 PMhttps://x.com/dduggan21/status/1768423945760276846?s=46&t=189NN-KdTdgB2SgHszC6_A
Looking more and more likely we will end up cutting Jokes so his contract cap is split for 2 years. Good riddance!!
A qb comp between Drake Maye and Lock is a dream come true.
EVERY QB listed as #2 on any roster wants to push the starting QB and take his job. How on earth is this an indicator that Daniel Jones will be cut? If we do draft a QB, then he should sit and learn. Thats the best way to do it. Jones and Luck will have fair competition and the best man should start. I have no idea where you are getting your information from. If you know something I dont, please share.
They will not be cutting Jones this season under any circumstances. They will absolutely be cutting him next year under every circumstance.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 14, 2024, 09:26:36 PMWhy would he come here to compete for one season if they draft a QB? To prove to the league he can be a starter. Or to get the experience.
This is interesting.
there is also the very real scary chance we don't draft any Qb and he in essence has 2 years as a starter/stop gap.
Even without the Jones injury he would flat out beat him in a training camp,
But with the injury concern it's a virtual certainty
Locke made the right choice
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 14, 2024, 09:30:38 PMThey will not be cutting Jones this season under any circumstances. They will absolutely be cutting him next year under every circumstance.
I was reading something about June 1 deadline where his cap hit would go across 2 seasons instead of 1 in the chance we cut him now. I like that idea a lot... why even chance playing him?
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 14, 2024, 09:32:34 PMI was reading something about June 1 deadline where his cap hit would go across 2 seasons instead of 1 in the chance we cut him now. I like that idea a lot... why even chance playing him?
It's something like a 70 million dollar cap hit if they cut him this season. Even split it is insane to cut him this season. It would be cheaper to keep him and not play him. Next season it's closer to 30 and they will do it then.
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 14, 2024, 09:19:45 PMhttps://x.com/dduggan21/status/1768423945760276846?s=46&t=189NN-KdTdgB2SgHszC6_A
Looking more and more likely we will end up cutting Jokes so his contract cap is split for 2 years. Good riddance!!
A qb comp between Drake Maye and Lock is a dream come true.
Again, as I told you only a couple of days ago, there's no way on planet earth they are cutting Daniel Jones. I think Jones is a bad Qb with poor processing but he will be on this team this year.
If we cut him this season then we trigger 70 million in dead cap and -22 million immediately to the cap. I just told you that 3 days ago and yet you intentionally ignore it in an attempt to upset people.
I think Jones is horrible but this is actually a fascinating conversation that everyone could be talking about because reports that are coming out that the Giants want to let him ride the bench ala Wilson because it messes us up if he can't pass a physical when the new league year starts in 2025.
We however cannot have that or any conversation about Drew lock because you creating a thread trying to trigger people only makes it impossible to follow up with an actual conversation or discussion.
You can dislike schoen, Jones, or whoever and not feel the need to spam it in every thread which you have done constantly the past week.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 14, 2024, 09:29:14 PMEVERY QB listed as #2 on any roster wants to push the starting QB and take his job. How on earth is this an indicator that Daniel Jones will be cut? If we do draft a QB, then he should sit and learn. Thats the best way to do it. Jones and Luck will have fair competition and the best man should start. I have no idea where you are getting your information from. If you know something I dont, please share.
the more likely scenario is it's a competition between our drafted qb and Drew. Jones has the injury clause in his contract making it virtually impossible and irresponsible for the giants to play him. These moves and words Joe is pitching spell it out even clearer
Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 14, 2024, 09:29:14 PMEVERY QB listed as #2 on any roster wants to push the starting QB and take his job. How on earth is this an indicator that Daniel Jones will be cut? If we do draft a QB, then he should sit and learn. Thats the best way to do it. Jones and Luck will have fair competition and the best man should start. I have no idea where you are getting your information from. If you know something I dont, please share.
Jones was supposed to be the starter. To create a QB competition, changes the affirmation that Schoen preached. Although it makes me wonder about Jones timetable to return. We really don't know their intentions of drafting a QB but almost everyone believes this is Jones last year. What do you think his chances are to stay another year?
Quote from: Gmo11 on March 14, 2024, 09:34:36 PMIt's something like a 70 million dollar cap hit if they cut him this season. Even split it is insane to cut him this season. It would be cheaper to keep him and not play him. Next season it's closer to 30 and they will do it then.
while that is an insane number, having jones just stick around can be toxic for the team and locker room given the NY media. I'd prefer we cut him.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 14, 2024, 09:34:46 PMAgain, as I told you only a couple of days ago, there's no way on planet earth they are cutting Daniel Jones. I think Jones is a bad Qb with poor processing but he will be on this team this year.
If we cut him this season then we trigger 70 million in dead cap and -22 million immediately to the cap. I just told you that 3 days ago and yet you intentionally ignore it in an attempt to upset people.
I think Jones is horrible but this is actually a fascinating conversation that everyone could be talking about because reports that are coming out that the Giants want to let him ride the bench ala Wilson because it messes us up if he can't pass a physical when the new league year starts in 2025.
We however cannot have that or any conversation about Drew lock because you creating a thread trying to trigger people only makes it impossible to follow up with an actual conversation or discussion.
You can dislike schoen, Jones, or whoever and not feel the need to spam it in every thread which you have done constantly the past week.
ok this is where you start to piss me off. You are the only one who CONSTANTLY brings personal attacks my way out of the 20+ posters I've interacted with. Enough of it I'm sick of it.
You are not a mind reader nor the head of this board and yet you act like you are. Just bc you dislike my way of communicating does not give you the right or privilege to decide how one can talk. You are a bad example of what a giants fan should be attacking anything in your sight
Admin and mods where is the block button? All this poster does is constantly attack ME personally while the rest of us are trying to have a discussion
This is now the 2nd time I have told this specific poster and ONLY this poster to stop harassing me and yet they continue to do so.
I just want to discuss the giants!!! Enough of this xxxxxxxx
Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 14, 2024, 09:34:46 PMAgain, as I told you only a couple of days ago, there's no way on planet earth they are cutting Daniel Jones. I think Jones is a bad Qb with poor processing but he will be on this team this year.
If we cut him this season then we trigger 70 million in dead cap and -22 million immediately to the cap. I just told you that 3 days ago and yet you intentionally ignore it in an attempt to upset people.
I think Jones is horrible but this is actually a fascinating conversation that everyone could be talking about because reports that are coming out that the Giants want to let him ride the bench ala Wilson because it messes us up if he can't pass a physical when the new league year starts in 2025.
We however cannot have that or any conversation about Drew lock because you creating a thread trying to trigger people only makes it impossible to follow up with an actual conversation or discussion.
You can dislike schoen, Jones, or whoever and not feel the need to spam it in every thread which you have done constantly the past week.
Why don't you just ignore him? As long as he's here, he's entitled to his opinion.
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 14, 2024, 09:47:32 PMWhy don't you just ignore him? As long as he's here, he's entitled to his opinion.
If someone is throwing personal attacks my way I'd like to respond to them in kind however then I get labeled as someone who is "throwing insults"
Bullies and harassing people should not just be ignored . There is no block button?
You can have a different opinion than me about the giants, but constantly harassing ME as a person and poster is disrespectful and despicable
Quote from: Ed Vette on March 14, 2024, 09:35:23 PMJones was supposed to be the starter. To create a QB competition, changes the affirmation that Schoen preached. Although it makes me wonder about Jones timetable to return. We really don't know their intentions of drafting a QB but almost everyone believes this is Jones last year. What do you think his chances are to stay another year?
Ed...true, but in training camp, if the Giants see a better player (regardless of position) and Lock plays lights out, I could see a new starter. The NFL has many stories of this happening. Matt Flynn was to be the starter and a 3rd round pick Russel Wilson became the starter. Drew Bledsoe was "the man" and got hurt and some dude named tom Brady stepped in, at this point, anything is possible. But back to the OP...how is Jones guaranteed to be cut? It makes no financial sense.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 14, 2024, 09:51:02 PMEd...true, but in training camp, if the Giants see a better player (regardless of position) and Lock plays lights out, I could see a new starter. The NFL has many stories of this happening. Matt Flynn was to be the starter and a 3rd round pick Russel Wilson became the starter. Drew Bledsoe was "the man" and got hurt and some dude named tom Brady stepped in, at this point, anything is possible. But back to the OP...how is Jones guaranteed to be cut? It makes no financial sense.
guarantee was wrong word choice, but hearing Schoens pitch to Locke makes it far more likely. As mentioned the competition would be between Locke and the newly drafted qb.. it may be a 2nd rounder
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 14, 2024, 09:52:09 PMguarantee was wrong word choice, but hearing Schoens pitch to Locke makes it far more likely. As mentioned the competition would be between Locke and the newly drafted qb.. it may be a 2nd rounder.
Fair enough, I do believe if we draft a QB this year it we be because of two things that could happen.
1-A QB falls out of the top 5 and we take him. (Williams, Maye or Daniels) I dont see us trading up.
2- A QB fall to us in the 2nd round (Bo Nix, Penix, McCarthy)
I really get the feeling the Giants are building the team bottom-up and next year will address the QB situation
Quote from: EliWasrobbed on March 14, 2024, 09:50:24 PMIf someone is throwing personal attacks my way I'd like to respond to them in kind however then I get labeled as someone who is "throwing insults"
Bullies and harassing people should not just be ignored . There is no block button?
You can have a different opinion than me about the giants, but constantly harassing ME as a person and poster is disrespectful and despicable
He's actually a respected Member of this community and a very knowledgeable fan. The interaction got off on the wrong foot. For now just ignore each other. If you want you can go into settings and put him on ignore but you should know that threads will be missing content and become confusing.
You cannot cut Jones until he passes a physical which probably won't be until late July or early August anyways.
Jones most likely stays the entire yet and will be gone after the 2024-2025 season.
As far as him being toxic? That's just made up nonsense from our resident Jones basher. If jones has exhibited anything is that he is a good teammate and has created absolutely no controversy off the field.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 14, 2024, 09:51:02 PMEd...true, but in training camp, if the Giants see a better player (regardless of position) and Lock plays lights out, I could see a new starter. The NFL has many stories of this happening. Matt Flynn was to be the starter and a 3rd round pick Russel Wilson became the starter. Drew Bledsoe was "the man" and got hurt and some dude named tom Brady stepped in, at this point, anything is possible. But back to the OP...how is Jones guaranteed to be cut? It makes no financial sense.
From my perspective after paying attention to how the franchise does things, if they are paying a player 46 million dollars for the season, he's not going to sit from the beginning of the season because a 5mm backup plays better in camp. Of course if he implodes after a few games, I can see them bringing Lock. Anyway that's how I interpret this. I could be wrong. You could be right. We'll see soon enough.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on March 14, 2024, 09:57:21 PMFair enough, I do believe if we draft a QB this year it we be because of two things that could happen.
1-A QB falls out of the top 5 and we take him. (Williams, Maye or Daniels) I dont see us trading up.
2- A QB fall to us in the 2nd round (Bo Nix, Penix, McCarthy)
I really get the feeling the Giants are building the team bottom-up and next year will address the QB situation
i can see us trading the farm for Maye, if somehow Patriots dont want to i think we're sadly gettin gBo Nix. McCarthy is going in the first
I acutally dont mind Drew Locke that much
Quote from: JT39 on March 14, 2024, 10:00:55 PMYou cannot cut Jones until he passes a physical which probably won't be until late July or early August anyways.
Jones most likely stays the entire yet and will be gone after the 2024-2025 season.
As far as him being toxic? That's just made up nonsense from our resident Jones basher. If jones has exhibited anything is that he is a good teammate and has created absolutely no controversy off the field.
For those who have a better understanding of how locker rooms work, Jones the person would not be the issue, however his situation would 100% be a media distraction and TOXIC.
I won't bother to comment or debate further so I don't devolve into your way of manners and attacks.
Jones isnt the answer but we did make the playoffs and won a game with him
It makes zero sense to cut him
Also If we draft a QB
Isnt it better to learn from jones
Sit the QB for a year
The Giants are "locked" into Jones' contract regardless of the Lock signing this year. That would be a fireable offense if Schoen were to leave the Giants in worse cap hell by cutting him
Quote from: ralphpal1 on March 14, 2024, 11:29:13 PMJones isnt the answer but we did make the playoffs and won a game with him
It makes zero sense to cut him
Also If we draft a QB
Isnt it better to learn from jones
Sit the QB for a year
please tell me what anyone could learn from Daniel Jones given what we saw from his game last year. He regressed, is unsure of himself, has no awareness of second reads, never reads and audibles what the defense gives him, and has no sense of how to protect himself as a QB.
Two thoughts:
1) I have no idea what Schoen and company are planning in terms of a QB moving forward
2) I have to think Schoen is a bit pissed at Seahawks GM as Schneider is speaking out of school. From what I have seen over the decades, GMs normally don't make comments about what other teams are planning, especially when the other team has not made those plans public. Then again, this could also be Schneider doing Schoen a favor and throwing up a little smoke.
Everyone is overthinking this. Rest assured, Schoen and company are not "fans with opinions". They have so much more information about players, athleticism, processing, etc., than any fan watching from the comfort of their living room couch or from a seat in the stadium
The Giants LIKE Jones and believe in him. Fans who believe that the QB is the only person on the team responsible for wins, do not understand the concept of "team" or the need for "continuity", "protection", adequate playmakers, game-planning, etc
Here's the skinny: Lock was signed as a backup to replace Taylor. Imagine that! :doh:
Schoen/Daboll are juggling an incredible amount of inside work (financial dealings, juggling cap, draft preparation, free agency, watching hundreds of hours of tape (and not highlight clips on YouTube), managing the coaching carousel, players' health maintenance, strategies [both short and long term], public image, media, internal privacy, etc.) in order to give DJ a shot to prove what they believe he has in him. They do NOT go to fan boards to decide a QBs worth based on negative comments from eternally pessimistic fans (self-proclaimed experts lol) who believe they have all the answers and know far more than the coaches and players...yet have zero experience or any remote career in that field...
Here's the lineup:
QB1 DJ
QB2 Lock
QB3 Devito
QB4 Eason
QB5 (potential draft pick to fight for QB3 and later, possibly QB2 or even QB1 someday)
And it goes without saying that every one of those QBs are vying to move up a rung on the ladder (well, except Jones who is trying to keep on the rung he's on) and are prepared to prove they are worthy as soon as injuries start piling up
Enjoy the game for what it is: entertainment while we eat chili, junk food, drink beer, and scream at our TV sets