Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 05, 2024, 07:43:04 AMConspiracy Theories: The bastion of the weak minded. 

Its 3PM in Germany and I'm feeling a bit faint....maybe I need to get some sugar in me :-)

Anyway since the second shot I can't feel my feet- no joke there...

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 05, 2024, 08:32:14 AMMy point was not that Saquon was a perfect player or the best running back in the league - simply that, when healthy, he has generally produced at a high level. 98.8 all-purpose yards per game over the course of his 74 game career, and that actually includes all the games where he was clearly playing at a less than healthy level, ie the entire 2021 season and parts of other seasons when he came back from injuries sooner than expected and took a handful of games to get back to his normal self.

Jones' career numbers are clearly not anywhere near the QB-equivalent level of production that Saquon's are. I think that is plain as day, frankly.

You know I secretly never thought we could sniff a SB with those two in the backfield

Barkley is gone and overpaid Danny is going. Schoen will ease him to the side door this coming off season

There is hope for the future

Schoen likely felt like me but had to placate his boss and bide his time getting rid of them....anyway that's a thought.  Im happy with that possible addition by subtraction

I would not be so quick to crown Nabors....he has to prove he can handle NFL defenders and stay healthy

Right now Slayton is #1 until the results start to come in

College ball is not NFL ball

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 04, 2024, 02:01:05 PMSaquon has consistently produced at a high level when healthy. Jones has not.

How?

His running is littered with no gains and occasional long runs
He often dropped outlet passes
He was hesitant and a poor blocking back
The biggest issue is the Giants spoon fed him the ball all day and everyone knew what was coming
He rarely broke tackles and arm tackles took him down

He was no Tiki Barber that's for sure

We will see if having a "better Line" rights his ship
If not he goes down as one our worst draft picks of all time

No Gold Jackets Im afraid

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 04, 2024, 07:05:58 AM100s of QB have played against bad teams, and never had they done what DJ did.   Look, in the end, you and @kingm56 and the other critics of Jones could ultimately be proven correct in that he will never be a quality starting quarterback.  In fact, with every season that they screw the young man up, it's looking more and more that DJ is never going to succeed.

That said, I would appreciate it if we try to be fair.  There have been flashes of brilliance by Jones; that is something most reasonable people would agree.   Flashes of brilliance don't mean Jones will ultimately be successful, so why not just concede the more than fair point?   It's like the other claim I hear from some of the critics, claiming the Giants have no one to throw them the ball.  As Jordan Raanan says, that's silly.  Jones has his flaws, but he is also an NFL thrower.  It's not like Jones is some little leaguer trying to play in the majors.

I don't think it hurts your case to concede the positives of the man.  If anything, it gives your opinions more validity because it shows you are capable of seeing and acknowledging the good and the bad.  If someone is only willing to see what supports their beliefs and finds excuses to dismiss anything else,  I tend not to value those opinions very highly as they are formed with a flawed process.

So we don't have to agree, but we all should find common ground in acknowledging the good and the bad.

that's just the point
He flashes brilliance but is not a reliable week to week performer
he lacks the subtle abilities that make for a solid franchise QB
can't make the throws downfield outside the numbers
can't sense the rush
can't often find the open target
hesitates with his release

much like Sequon flashed brilliance and spent the rest of the day dancing

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 03, 2024, 12:09:48 PMHow did John and his father manage to go to 5 Super Bowls and bring home four trophies? 

That's a really good question Rich- Let me try to answer succinctly with no sarcasm

Broken clock right 2x per day?  Emphasis on D when D ruled the world of the NFL?

All those trophies came to teams that were not steamrollers by any means

All came from management that was forced on the Maras by fan revolt

All these teams grew in ability as the football year passed, they were late chargers

We were never a dominant multi-year powerhouse

A lot of it was sheer force of will and sometimes incredible good fortune like "The Catch" to beat the Patriots

We never had dominant QBs but adequate ones

We thrived on excellent DE play

I believe Schoen is a smart guy, and rather that go head to head with Mara he placated him keeping Jones and Barkley despite knowing he would not win with either and playing them full time so that Mara was happy.  Schoen knew he had many many holes to fill and losing meant good draft position year after year until he was ready to pounce

We won't win another if we do not adapt to the new rules and the extreme emphasis on offense of todays game while maintaining a strong D

Without a real NFL QB who has pocket awareness and can make all the throws we might not see another Lombardy in my lifetime- Im 77

Now the worm is finally turning.  Tommy broke the Eagles stranglehold
Their house is crumbling- Kelce knew when the right moment was to exit

My prediction- Tommy will get the reigns by mid season.  He has the mindset and all the tools to bring us back

The roster has gone from tragic when Schoen arrived to on the verge of
competing for real

Schoen does not want Jones and Drew Whatshisface is just a head fake to buy Time.

By this time next year DeVito will be the starter or we will acquire a top flight QB from the draft or trade- then things get interesting

Other possibility- The team just jells and we start another improbable march to another Lombardy even as soon as this year...there are no steamrollers in this NFL.  The NFL has achieved parity- perfect conditions for us to re-arise like the Phoenix

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 03, 2024, 10:18:37 AMI respectfully disagree with your statement and here is why.

Schoen has repeatedly said in interviews that in the past someone talked him out of picking the player that he wanted in the draft, and that player went on to have an excellent career.

He has been adamant that he will never allow someone to do that to him again, he will always go with his gut, and that includes Mara.

Ok so Machiavellian thinking does not come into play with the Mara's
They are totally transparent.  NOT!

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 03, 2024, 10:04:57 AMI completely agree.  Mara has been adamant that the GM has the final say.  There have been zero reports from any insider suggesting that Mara is lying when he says that.  To some fans, Mara has become the cartoon villain that every bad or unlucky decision is blamed on.

To be fair, I might be a bit biased because I consider conspiracy theories the bastion of the weak-minded.

LOL ok then.  Mara is a benevolent bystander no doubt.  I apologize for my accusatory stance.

Well...... based upon Tom Bradys rotisserie of average WRs playing way above their heads, you have to go with the QB position

"The clothes" do not make the man....never believed that old saying

I would have preferred Pinox

Quote from: babywhales on May 03, 2024, 09:37:53 AMConspiracy theories are a sign of the times.

I do not think Mara directs the board.  Sign off on a 1st round pick or big ticket FA is not the same as steering the ship toward one

Yes but the results bear out this conspiracy and fit the key to the lock perfectly. (no pun intended on Lock LOL)

Believe me Sequin did us a HUGE favor by leaving

Im now a huge Sequin fan from afar "One negative yard at a time then a burst in the 3rd Qtr"

He will kill Philly.  Not that we would not now dominate them regardless.  Their run has ended.  Tommy broke the spell

Also I never got the "Face" part.  What was he a reincarnate Bronco Nagurski?

He was an average back who was drafted 35 slots too high by a deluded novice GM

If you don't believe he was average check his 4.4 YPC- AVERAGE.... and front loaded with occasional long runs to pad the average...... that and a butterfingers approach to catching short passes......not to mention his blocking or lack thereof

Lets see how his face lights up the LINC

Quote from: TONKA56 on May 03, 2024, 09:26:19 AMMuch of the early criticism of Dave Gettleman was that he basically was a front man hired to do the bidding of the Maras.

For example:

"We aren't replacing Eli Manning. Build a team around him. Draft Saquon Barkley."

"We aren't replacing Daniel Jones. Build a team around him."

"We aren't trading Saquon Barkley. Pay the man."

Many suggested that if such ultimatums were issued at the time of Gettleman's hiring, he should have simply refused the job.

I see a lot folks STILL insist that directives come from John or Chris Mara concerning Daniel Jones' future.

If Gettleman really should have refused the position based on Mara meddling, should the same criticism not apply to Joe Schoen? Do we really believe that Jones is still here because he is the pet of team ownership? Is Joe Schoen really bending to the will of John & Chris Mara? Is Mara Meddling really as big a thing as it's made out to be?

Schoen is just a more astute, good looking, educated Puppet but a puppet nonetheless.  You nailed that puzzle

Quote from: TONKA56 on May 03, 2024, 08:07:19 AMThe world will never know. Good old BluesCruz...the Andy Kaufman of BBH. 

Thanks I admired Andy.  A brave comedian to the end....appreciate the allusion

I speak my mind and in my mind the truth.  This entire post 2011 era has been a continual mind blowing sea of Giants ineptitude

Someone has to call them out.  A free medium coke once a decade just does not satisfy my thirst for another Lombardy

I'm sure, I could run this franchise far better than Mara and his Clown Toot Toot Train

Too much fraternity and aspiring for mediocrity as a goal

Mara needs to lose his man love for bad players and and bad play and bring in the GOAT- Belicheck and give him total control

Schoen must have developed temporary "Brainlock" when he picked this guy off the discount rack