Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: katkavage on April 26, 2024, 07:43:30 AMI have no doubt Nabers is an exceptional talent. But he won't move the needle much for the Giants as they are presently constructed. So it's nice to have a potentially all star caliber player on the roster, wide receivers don't have the impact without other pieces in place, particularly the QB. I'll be happy if I'm wrong, but that won't be evident for a long time.

kat: I don't see it that way. I see Nabers as the final piece to the puzzle on offense. I'm assuming they already have the running backs they need to do the offense the way THEY want to do it, not the way the fans want to see them do it. The Giants will now be a pass-first (modern NFL?) offense, not the traditional type you and I favor. Give them a chance. It won't be "Giants' football" on offense... but hopefully it will be winning football. Bob

Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 26, 2024, 07:31:28 AMRich,
I was surprised by some of the reaction here.  I wanted Odunze but think very highly Nabers ability, just hope the attitude stuff is overblown. 

uconn: I understand the reaction.  Odunze is a more traditional typw of WR. Nabers is the exact opposite. In the long run, I initially thought they would be better off with Odunze too, but in the modern era where it's almost all about the passing attack, Nabers gives them far more options and variations. In fact, I have reason to think Schoen/Daboll would have taken Nabers even if Harrison was still available. Nabers is THEIR type of guy, and it's THEIR necks on the chopping block, so if they fail it makes more sense to fail with the guy(s) they want. Bob

Rich: I was going to start a new thread but this is as good as any a place to make my point.

The Giants now have the personnel to put together two completely different game plans on offense - one for teams that like to pressure the QB, and one for teams that play mostly zone. Likewise, they can plan to either possess the ball or try to out-score the opponent, which is something they haven't been able to do for a long, long time.

They have all the parts, if they can stay healthy.

Bob

Quote from: Uncle Mickey on April 24, 2024, 04:56:20 PMHi all!

Uncle Mickey here but you can just call me Mickey. 

Mickey: Welcome to this site. It's a great time of year for you to join us. Bob

Other than @MightyGiants point involving adding depth, I see this whole thing differently.

The question to answer is how adding Nabers affects Wan'Dale Robinson, not Slayton. Nabers has the potential to be elite, and one position he can play is WR, and he will be paid like a #1 WR, but these coaches will not deploy him as a traditional #1 WR. 

I can't say how where all the pieces will be when the "dust" settles, but recall that Robinson played mostly out of the backfield in college, and Nabers spent a whole lot of time at LSU in the slot. I expect the Giants to move Nabers and Robinson around a lot and we'll see Robinson being used more like Barkley was. To get full value out of Nabers, they'll have to scheme him open (a lot more than if they had taken Odunze, for example). They can't just flank him out wide on every play.

Bob

PS. Ideally, (once Nabers has his feet on the ground, and assuming no injuries), Hyatt and Slayton will split time torturing defenses deep and one or both of them hopefully will have a big year (fingers crossed).

One of the smart ones.

But I'd have to meet them all to decide who I'm talking about... looks would be secondary.

If you find that difficult to believe, I don't blame you... but I'm serious.

Bob

Luckily, I had too much work to do this week and couldn't have participated in that stuff even if I wanted to. Bob

Nice job, Ceri !!!!  And thank you for offering/sharing this information. Bob

IMO the chart in the original post shows why you take Harrison over the other "good ones" if you have a choice. Bob

Jolly: IMO he's worth the money. Wish he were on the Giants. Bob

Quote from: AYM on April 21, 2024, 06:42:40 PMI don't know if I agree with this. The 2007 draft directly caused the team to win the Superbowl as every single player heavily contributed.

Going back a couple of years, the 2005 draft was light on picks but gave us Brandon Jacobs, Corey Webster, and Justin Tuck. That was a monster draft too.

AY: Great observation. I can agree that that draft was pivotal in producing a championship. But before that draft IMO Giants were already 'over the hump' and just needed to make solid selections (which they did) without trying to his any home runs, in order to finish the job of putting a Super-Bowl-capable squad around Eli. Bob

Quote from: Ed Vette on April 21, 2024, 04:03:48 PMT minus 4.
I can't believe you guys don't feel the significance and the excite level of this draft. Not since the 2018 draft. The impact? In 2018 the Giants still had Eli. In 2024, they are riding on Daniel Jones.

Ed: I get it but IMO too many of us here view this year's draft in a QB-centric manner, while I personally tend to think the Giants will draft no QB at all. With only six picks (barring some move that lands us one or two extra) IMO it's at least highly doubtful they will even take one on day three. In summation, rather than getting excited, I'm "steeling" myself for the aftermath here if my prediction is correct.    Bob

In the NFL, there exists a "hump" and you're either over or under it.

It's rare to be exactly on the hump, but I believe the owners/GM/Head Coach of the Giants believe we're on it.

I hope they're right... and I don't have to take a poll here to know where our members stand on that issue.

Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on April 21, 2024, 10:19:18 AMBob,

For what it's worth, the rookie salary structure changed the drafting of the wrong QB narrative, in my opinion.  As long as the team drafting didn't give up too much draft capital (especially future draft capital), the swing and a miss don't cause the damage they once did, as a team can easily move on from their mistake.

Rich: What you said is true... but tell me the last time a team didn't give up "the ranch" to move up (for a QB). What you're really saying is that's it's even more dangerous for teams that move up for a QB than for teams that already own a top-3 pick. For one thing, bad drafting is likely the reason why the have a top-3 pick, so they are apt to pick the wrong guy anyways lol (adding to the danger). For another, no matter the salary rules, QB is still the most important pick so it's still the biggest mistake you can make. It's a near-death penalty rather than a death penalty. lol

Quote from: Philosophers on April 21, 2024, 10:12:27 AMRemember Mahommes was the 2nd QB drafted in 2017 and we all know he is now the best now.

Just because the Giants draft the 4th QB does not mean he wont be the best of the lot.

Phil: If you believed what I believe (i.e., none of the QB's this year is a sure-thing) then you also would have written what I wrote. I agree with your point, and that's what I mean by "lightning striking" (they Giants' view of which QB to take happens to coincide with reality a few years down the line, and not only does the "right" QB fall... they also pick him and hit the jackpot). The only way that happens is if there's a "sleeper" this year and the Giants know it AND they have the balls to pick him AND they're correct. Closest thing to the is Nix, just like @Ed Vette says (and I do not agree... at his age he should have elevated his college team this past season and he did not do so... and they were a better team than the Giants... probably lol). Bob