Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 24, 2022, 07:17:24 AMfrightening isn't it            

Just proves Christmas miracles do happen   

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 23, 2022, 09:05:19 PMNuance is difficult with a multiple choice questions.  It is not a multiple choice world.  My own position didn't fit anywhere within those choices.

Neither does mine!

But crazy enough for once Rich and I are fairly close lol

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 23, 2022, 05:12:29 PMOk, if you're agnostic on the money side of things, I get that.

How about this: Do you want him back, or not?

I've said it before in other posts I'm completely at a loss on this topic.

I saw the player he could be his rookie year.  The player I'm seeing today is different.  The player he was the middle two years wasn't impressed but I give a pass due to what he was working with.

I don't know how to fairly evaluate him.

I can't believe the player from year 1 (minus the turnovers) is gone into this dink and dunk uninspiring offense.

He has an arm, he is accurate long!  It makes no sense!!!

Idk if it's just the WRs or him.  Is it a plan Dabs has for him? Idk idk idk!  It drives me nuts!

I read these forums and I can see each fans side of it and relate and understand where both sides are coming from.

I HATE BEING Sweden here as you all know I'm not a middle of the road kinda guy! Lol but this is one I'm completely lost on so I'm putting more trust then I care to in JS to do the right thing for the Giants and I'll be ok with it, for now lol!

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on December 23, 2022, 04:58:41 PMI know we're not creating more Daniel Jones threads (which I am fully supportive of), so I'll ask this question here:


Very simply, where do you most closely fit in to these three categories regarding Daniel Jones' future on the Giants?


A. I want Jones back, period. I am in favor of paying whatever it takes to keep him here, and I want him to be here long term. I view him as a franchise QB. He is the guy.

B. I would be happy to have Jones back, but only up to a certain price, and I only want to be committed for a relatively small number of years.

C. I don't want Jones back next year, period. It's time to move in another direction.

I expect many who respond to classify themselves in the "B" group. If so, can you please clearly indicate what your absolute limit would be, both in terms of AAV and in terms of total years of the contract?

I think we have a lot of back and forth on Jones and a lot of arguing. There is a lot of noise. With Jones' fourth year just about over (as far as the regular season), how about folks put down on paper where they actually stand in terms of what THEY want regarding his future? And not just trying to predict what actually WILL happen. What would you actually like to see happen?

Thanks.

Dave

Sorry but I have to answer D.

D) being I'll entrust JS to make the right call and do what right by the Giants and their fans.  Whichever the decision may be.

I say this cause it doesn't fit into any of your 3 choices.

Idc at this point what he gets paid.  If JS decides to spend on him, he then has to find a way to make this team win and get to the big game or he has failed.

He knows this!  He is not stupid!  So if he is going to spend on Jones he must have a plan.

If he doesn't sign Jones and he goes elsewhere I'll hope he is right, hope Jones doesn't take another team to the promised land and hope that whatever QB JS gets can get us there.

This is where I am at!

I get it, it's a lot of hope but after a decade of defeat I gotta hang onto something

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 23, 2022, 03:23:41 PMAnd quite frankly no one cares, it is all BS!!!!!!! You do not know any better than we do. Regardless of what we think or don't think, regardless of what we agree on or disagree on. WE. ALL. KNOW. NOTHING.

It is either 0% or 100%, only Joe and Dabs know which it is, and we will find out soon enough.

Exactly!!!

It's pulling numbers out of thin air and no statistical way to back it up!

I think it's 50.5376% he gets a new deal 🤷🏻�♂️🤷🏻�♂️🤷🏻�♂️🤷🏻�♂️🤷🏻�♂️🤷🏻�♂️

Quote from: Blue Fire on December 23, 2022, 02:40:07 PMLets look at it from a different perspective. Whatever your thoughts are on DJ, the overwhelming majority of the local media (many of whom are quite tuned in) has been increasingly all saying the same thing. Expect DJ back. This is not some hunch...its based on what they are hearing from inside the walls of Mara-tech.

So barring some DJ meltdown, serious injury, or huge impasse in negotiations, DJ is very, very likely the QB for next year and beyond.

You lost me at media being well tuned in!

These flakes run with what they think gets them clicks!

We do not have an impressive lot of journalists (I use that term loosely) reporting on our Giants!

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 23, 2022, 12:10:47 PMThat's way too much to pay a game manager even a really good one.  Problem is and I saw this somewhere the other day is that when it comes to QB's salaries post rookie contract there really isn't a middle ground for their salaries.  There are the $30+ million salaries that make up the top 10+ and the rest are $15 million and below.

This is what the OWNERS and the NFL has created!  Hence why I say complaining about the cap and what players get paid is not worth it!  Cause these owners keep over paying willingly in the HOPE to out do the other 31 owners

https://www.bigblueview.com/2022/12/21/23519250/how-much-would-you-pay-to-keep-daniel-jones-as-giants-quarterback

  

This won't make some here happy if it comes to this

 

https://www.bigblueview.com/2022/12/23/23522332/how-daniel-jones-is-winning-over-the-giants-and-earning-a-chance-to-stay

How Daniel Jones is winning over the Giants ... and earning a chance to stay

SB Nation tends to be a puff piece more times then not but it's info that is out there on how some are seeing it.

Agree to disagree or agree

Quote from: MightyGiants on December 23, 2022, 11:49:55 AMDidn't you just tell me you posted a Shannon Sharpe Tweet not because you consider him an expert, but because you liked what he said? 
Technically there are two opinions that matter.  Schoen's AND Daboll's

Schoen wouldn't be a very good GM if he didn't factor in what Daboll thinks of Daniel Jones (or any other player for that matter)

Yes but as GM he takes the responsibility on, it won't be Dabs that gets blamed for his signing and contract it will be JS!

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 23, 2022, 11:37:18 AMJS and the GMs of the several teams looking for a QB.

The other teams will ONLY come into play IF the Giants let him test the market.

Otherwise if you believe the rules no other team or their representatives can speak to DJ or his agent and manipulate that price.

Personally I don't believe teams follow this rule!

Quote from: AZGiantFan on December 23, 2022, 11:28:21 AMI feel like I'm in a strange position here as I simultaneously believe that:

A) he is seriously under-rated here - with an average NFL-quality OL and a decent set of NFL-quality WRs (not 'elites at every position' as some have tried to frame it) I think he can be a top ten QB in the league.  If you look at it like horse-racing where they handicap the horses, he is currently carrying some of the highest weights in the field - and will do considerably better when he only has to carry average weight.

B) the best thing the Giants can do is let him (and Barkley) go so they have fully freed up resources to focus on attacking their many holes, solidifying the holes in a promising defense and adding quality in an offense, and to continue the horse analogy, reducing the handicap weight so the next guy gets a fair shot at developing during his rookie contract, something DJ's never had.

AZ

I agreed and disagree at the same time.

I don't want to see home grown talent leave and be successful elsewhere!

So letting them walk I'm torn!

There is only one opinion that matters!

That's the Giants specifically JS!

Everyone else is just flapping gums including us.

Everyone has a right to their opinion!  It's when people think their opinions actually matter more then others that there is an issue.

Quote from: Rambo89 on December 23, 2022, 09:18:48 AMI still have this fear in the back of my head that John Mara will once again step in and force Schoen's hand.  Sure it is probably unlikely but I still don't trust Mara.

It's a fear cause he has meddled for years.

We need to keep fingers crossed that is behind us.

Quote from: TrueBlueFan on December 23, 2022, 09:06:54 AMThis 100%, if DJ stays, I won't like it, but I will hope for the best, and hope I am wrong. In that scenario hopefully it isn't a contract that screws them for many years like what Denver is dealing with.

JS seems frugal!

I don't see him spending like a drunken sailor on leave!

Whoever he signs this offseason at any position, I think is a fair and reasonable contract for their position and ability.

Look at the Bills roster and contracts.  That's his foundation.  It makes sense to look how that team is built and compare.