Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: katkavage on May 25, 2021, 12:45:06 PM
Yes it is, but for now we just have to wait for real answers, stop slinging mud around, and find out the truth.

A stark contrast in opinion from last year when the notion of even questioning the origins were being shut down, an answer was provided instantly, mud was slung and the truth was whatever Daszak said it was.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 25, 2021, 11:17:58 AM
So you are upping the politics factor.  Here is the guy you are quoting


Scott Gottlieb is an American physician and investor who served as the 23rd Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration from 2017 until April 2019 under Donald Trump.
Born: June 11, 1972 (age 48 years), East Brunswick, NJ
Nationality: American
Spouse: Allyson Nemeroff (m. 2004)
Party: Republican Party
Parents: Stanley Gottlieb, Marsha Gottlieb
Education: Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai, Wesleyan University


Yup, the Trump administration was so honest, no reason to not take everything they say on blind faith


By all means, though continue to pursue your political agenda of slandering and demonizing  Peter Daszak an infectious disease expert for the crime of interfering with your rank political agenda

So Gotlieb is not trustworthy because he wears an R?  Meanwhile Daszak, the most compromised person at the center of this controversy is the most trustworthy? 

You weren't pissing on my leg, you're sh!tting me. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 25, 2021, 11:08:12 AM
Because we as Americans consider patient privacy important, so why are you and Bob advocating that we demand others to take actions we would consider unethical????


Again, this BS thread is a great example of why we did away with politics

You must be confused because we are talking about the prospects of two separate governments finding a source of this virus and your claim is now that because we as Americans do value patient privacy we wouldnt suggest the CCP hand over that information for investigation because of our robust sense of ethics?  Remember, this is the US government supposedly acting on our behalf and they wouldn;t hesitate to ask for exactly that in spite of our citizenry's moral objections.

The science groupies of late have changed their tune.  It is no longer that the science shows the virus came from nature to the science says we gotta keep all avenues open.

Do I respect the science?  Yep.  Do I respect the scientists on this matter?  The ones without an agenda...yep; meaning definitely not Peter Daszak.

QuoteEvidence that Covid-19 originally leaked from a Wuhan, China, virology lab is growing, Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Monday, pointing to reports that three researchers from the lab sought hospital care with a Covid-like illness in November 2019.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 25, 2021, 10:58:13 AM
So you are admitting your thread is just political propaganda and not science (a really crappy political view in my opinion)


See, here's the thing, FACTUALLY I didn't say the Chinese government was worried about patient privacy.   I said:

"if the hospital violated patient privacy and turned over all their record"

Nowhere did I state that the Chinese government- "not wanting to violate patient privacy"

Science is about facts and evidence and seeking the truth.   This thread is about you pushing the political talking points you learned from consuming way too much political propaganda

But why bother mentioning hospitals violating patient privacy when that is hardly even a concern for the CCP?  What are you hinting at by bringing it up?  You were using that as a possible reason for why the CCP wouldnt expose patient records and violate their privacy.  Nice try though.  How about you not piss on my leg and tell me its raining?

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 25, 2021, 10:45:55 AM
That's a very "scientific" comment


This thread reminds me of the old saying-  don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining

That wasn;t scientific but your comment about Communist China not wanting to violating patient privacy made me laugh.  In so many ways, you clearly have a 1980s world view.

If the report was baseless to begin with then why is Biden's administration even bothering to look?  I mean....they stopped looking at the Red Scourge didn't they?

I had no idea the CCP valued patient privacy.   

The Biden Administration is using the Trump Administration's intelligence report.  Take that for what you will.  I'll take it as admission that at least the Biden administration finds it credible enough to open a book that Daszak closed and the media declared was settled. 

The Lab Leak theory lives while Russia Russia Russian meddling has suddenly fallen off a steep cliff as Biden granted a huge but little reported favor to Putin by waiving sanctions on a Russian oil pipeline to Germany.  It speaks to what was mere politics vs what is a real concern.

Quote from: Bob In PA on May 24, 2021, 08:45:47 PM
Jimmy:  In November, 2019, yes, three researchers at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were hospitalized with symptoms consistent with COVID-19 BUT ALSO consistent with common seasonal illness.

This fact is known to US intelligence officials, and President Biden has been pushing for more access and more information in order to get to the bottom of exactly what happened.

The administration has repeatedly called for the WHO to support an expert driven evaluation of the pandemic's origins that is free from interference or politicization.  I'm counting on this.  I want to know the truth.

Bob

Bob,

It took the 'scientists' all of, what, one week to determine the origin of the virus even though the virus has never been found in a wild animal and transmits 99.99% indoors.  Must have been transmitted by a house bat.   

Imagine all the great scientists in history who never lived long enough to see their theories proven or accepted; and just how much in awe they would be at Peter Daszak's ability to sway an entire planet's opinion with one letter.

Fauci is pulling a 180. 

Hint:  when it comes to Fauci believe the opposite of what he initially says and he will eventually catch up with you.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/555057-fauci-bombshell-not-convinced-covid-19-developed

Wuhan Lab staff sought medical attention in November 2019.  CCP's reply is that US spreads disinformation. 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/wuhan-lab-staff-sought-hospital-care-before-covid-19-outbreak-disclosed-wsj-2021-05-23/

QuoteBiden administration continued to have "serious questions about the earliest days of the COVID-19 pandemic, including its origins within the Peoples Republic of China."

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 17, 2021, 02:32:58 PM

Jimmy,

You can look down this page and you will not see any political posts from me.   I provided balance when you and a few others tried to turn the Front Porch into FOX News the BBH addition, but all in all I am more than happy not to have to deal with the political nonsense.

Look at how you are behaving because of politics.     You are one of the founding members who joined on May 26, 2007.  In those 14 years, you have been nothing but a perfect gentleman on the football forum.   

Yet let the topic turn to politics and suddenly Mr. Hyde appears.   You attack me you attack Len, you can't keep politics out of non-political threads, and you challenge the rule changes.   Do you forget the ugly profanity-filled PMs you sent me?   How about how you and a couple of the other members who have met me gossiped about me and you decided that you learned secrets about me that you could use to hurt me.   That is not how a normal good human being behaves, but that is what politics brings out in you.

You are a founding member and a valued member.   Your posts on football and non-football topics are first-rate.   What is your obsession with feeling the need to show us the ugly side that comes out when you start talking about politics?

Rich, you thought it would be a good idea to chase me down in a PM where you made some accusations about me as a person.  Now, if you want to play that game offline, realize I'm going to be nasty with you.  There is no place you can take things that I'm not willing to go and further. 

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 17, 2021, 01:58:54 PM
Your comments were good, the thread itself was very political though.

Wait a minute, how was bldevil's comments good when they seem to suggest that maybe we do need to look at the lab leak hypothesis as a real possibility when you shouted at me for not 'knowing how science works' for saying the same thing?

Ahhh.....the hypocrisy is strong in you.

I don't begrudge bldevils comments.  He was saying the same as me just not in a polarizing way but I thought you had a way with facts that allows you to cut thru political BS and get to the actual heart of the matter.  I guess your self assessment aint too accurate.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 17, 2021, 01:03:01 PM
This is why I told you that you should stay away from politics, it's become an obsession.   It doesn't bring out a particularly good version of yourself.    Look, it's your right as an American to watch as much FOX News or News Max or whatever your right-wing news channel of choice is.  It's also the right of everyone here NOT to watch it and if we choose not to watch it at least on these forums we don't have to listen to you (or anyone else) repeating what you saw.   

Some of us would like to be able to have discussions without political causes or talking points or political agendas being shoved down our throats.   

Is it really that hard for you to respect the forum's wishes?    Leave your politics at the door, please

Really?  I think you love getting political and bringing your own sense of authority into the conversation.  And I think you enjoy trying to shout people down.  I think you enjoy preaching and you don't like it when anyone pushes back on you.

I'm laughing right now as I read your "Jimmy, the forum doesnt want your constant disruptions" as if to put me at odds with the silent disapproving majority around here.  You've tried many times to play this "jimmy, we are decent people and we'd like you to stop being unruly" shaming tactic. 

a. When are you gonna realize that I have no shame? 
b. When are you gonna stop participating in conversations that you claim to have no interest engaging in?

If people don't want the politics from me then they are free to use the ignore button.  For some reason, those who have threatened to use that button on me in the past somehow still manage to cite and refer to my posts.  Why, if one hates my divisive politics, do they continue to tune in?

I just don't believe you.

BTW...I've already told you several times that I do not watch Fox news and I have never even seen News Max.  I don't know why you insist on throwing those news source at me as if that's where I get my information....no wait, I do, its to discredit me...because you have a stake in your political beliefs being legitimized.  It's all politics and you engage in it.   

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 17, 2021, 12:27:56 PM
Jimmy

Go to the mask-wearing thread.  What you did there, is a perfect example of what not to do

Rich,

Have you seen Rachel Maddow's latest insane plea for compassion for those who have been 'wired' to castigate non-mask wearers as a selfish threat?  It's disgusting.

I don't care if it seems political or not.  I am going to point out the weird tone deaf hypocrisy.