Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:38:34 AMIf they really believed in Jones, it would not matter who he was throwing to. Eli had some good receivers and a couple of almost elite and a lot of Jags. We're Nicks, Manningham and Cruz great receivers or did Eli make them look good? How would those three look on this team? The best receivers Eli had were Toomer, Odell and Plax. He found a way to get the ball to Smith, Tyree, and the rest.

I would have drafted Alt if not a QB. Evan Neal has to find a way to a starting role on this team. Either at RT competing with Alt or Guard. The best way to get better results from Jones is to protect him in the pocket. If you want to get his head clear, protect him. He didn't need a shiney hood ornament. Just ask this guy...

I think the Giants would have taken Alt if they had the 5 pick

Manningham was average at best and struggled to learn the playbook needing a redshirt year to even make the field. Slayton and Manningham are very similar. when he was the number 1 he came up short. His best year he was the #2 receiver receiving the benefit of Nicks taking the #1. All that being said he made one of the greatest catches with zero room for error at the most critical juncture of the game and that puts him in a very special class.

Nicks was a stud. Injuries took their toll but he was a stud. He was a #1 receiver.

Eli made Cruz and the two complemented each other nicely for three very nice seasons

Toomer was an important vet for a rookie Qb to have but was past his peak production by the time Eli came along

Shockey was a nutjob head case whose benefit to the team was negated by his negative impact on his QB and the game plan. The Giants were not a team until he was hurt.

Plax changed everything for Eli IMO

Quote from: GloryDays on May 02, 2024, 02:02:11 PMTommy seems to be quite under-rated because of his pre-nfl portfolio. I watched a couple of his games and I really think the kid has some special ability. He has a pretty good arm. He is accurate and throws some catchable balls. His pocket presence is excellent. He can buy time and hit the target running. If no one is open he tries to run or secures the ball for minimal loss. In the Washington game, behind that atrocious line, he was sacked 9 times, but was still able to throw some nice completions and win the game.

On the Jets game, I think, they tied his hands and he still almost won that game! He could have been 4-1, in 5 games with a lousy O line and average targets.

BRAVO BRAVO {Applause from me} and my candidate for post of the decade

VERY BRAVE and astute of you with this crowd.  Most would not know a good QB if he landed on them.  Jones has issues long and on the border that are unsolvable
not to mention zero pocket presence

PS- Now that Phil Simms has lost his job- a shame because he really knows his stuff.  Phil should be invited to camp to school the 3 QBs a bit

I like Tommy. I do. However Tommy doesn't have nearly the upside of Jones. Jones high level plays be it throws or runs are higher than any high level throws of anyone on the team. Everyone of us , though we have short memory, have seen numerous 'wow' plays from Daniel. That is fact. It is evident when watching the top plays of each QB on the team he ca make the rare and special throws. The question is is DJ's ability to process the field seem compromised because he is just not great in this area or is it more due to a historically bad offensive line combined with well below average WRs. 

This is what this year should bear out for us. I am truly hoping it's the latter. Because if so, we would have that guy who has had made some very high level plays in his career playing at that high level a lot more consistently with the better support system around him.

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:52:45 AMIf Tommy was in this years draft, he would have been sitting at a bar in downtown Detroit with Sam Hartman watching the draft.

Everyone likes Tommy and I hope he does well, but the Giants aren't going to carry three QB's and he's not making the final roster unless Jones or Lock get injured or traded. He's going to hit the waver wire and if he clears, he will wind up on the practice squad.

no way in HADES  he clears now...that train has left the station

hopefully They ditch Lock in camp or Danny Dimes is not ready to go until Christmas

It must be painful to realize DeVito is the only NFL QB on the roster

Dimes is only on the roster because of Mara's man love

The New York Giants are a corner stone organization in the NFL.  The TV revenue sharing agreed to in the early 60's by Wellington for the benefit and growth of the NFL is why the NFL is where it is today.

It was said The Duke was the heart and soul of the NFL and The New York Football Giants are not too far behind him.

Players might not like the taxes in New York State but players love being here and hate leaving.

no. we have invested so much draft capital in the oline over the last decade or so, and have not yielded great results. alt looks great, but so did neal. if we took ANOTHER first round tackle bust, it would have been devestating. also, he is a LT. as others have mentioned, get a guy who is used to being on the right. Im hoping with a new coach and approach, maybe neal can be the guy he was supposed to be. if hes even 75% as advertised, we are in ok shape. RT is not a position you spend such a high pick on, even though i believe thats what the chargers did. on the other side of the coin- they have a "prized" qb that they had trouble protecting. its worth that kind of draft capital to protect your investment.

In the case of Barkley I think he's likely very surprised about the response. He was the face of the team and mostly the only reason to watch the team. NFL fans are unforgiving even when there is a reason that greatness falters. I feel like Barkley gave absolutely everything he had. The injuries? Not his fault and his own health and career are compromised because he did it FOR US. Still, going to the Eagles? Ouch. I'm appreciative of what he did for us and won't harshly criticize him, but a little humility about being on the Eagles would go a long way for NYG fans.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 08:27:29 AMAre we classifying Toney as a star?

In the sense he was a first round pick

Are we classifying Toney as a star?

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 08:19:09 AMDid you ask yourself how you would react?

I have a pretty good idea. I had to fire an employee once for performance. I did it as nicely as possible, but in my mind, a firing is still a firing. A couple of months later, I ran into the employee at a training session. When I ran into her, I said hello and greeted her in a friendly manner (I didn't want to be rude), only to have her completely ignore me. 

That incident didn't bother me in the least because I appreciated that I had fired her, and I just didn't think it would be realistic to be greeted with a warm "Hello, how have you been?  Nice to see you"

The same goes for players leaving a team. If you leave (regardless of reason), some fans will turn against you. It's the nature of the unique form of entertainment we call professional sports.