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I am not referring to the players, just the situation itself.

From the reporting we are actively looking to trade up and/or sign Russell Wilson too meaning Jones would be CUT before the season starts after JUST signing him to a long term deal where he is one of highest paid players in the NFL.


Pretty much everyone knew outside of some Giant fans this was a huge mistake, but who is to blame?

has it been reported how much influence Mara had on this? Or was this a purely Schoen decision? I have to think Daboll who has begrudgingly talked about Jones was not a major driving force behind the decision.

People say if the Giants have a poor year to fire Daboll and not Schoen.. whereas I see it the opposite. Daboll can only do so much with limited resources,

They aren't cutting Jones regardless of Wilson and/or drafting a QB

Daniel jones is not getting cut this year period. He can hang on the bench, but the last place he's going is the unemployment line.

The reason being is that we would have 47 million dollars In dead money which would put us in the negative on the cap. Great to realize they made a bad decision, but you don't follow that up with another bad decision.

Wait until 2025 and it's a 11 million dead cap with 30 in savings.

I want a new Qb more than anyone but cutting Jones this year does not benefit this team.

I don't know but I can't imagine anyone liking him as much as the Giants organization.  There are still people wanting to build an offensive line for him as if it's all their fault.  I'm glad it sounds like they're planning on moving on if the rumors are actually true.

Who is to blame??  Eli endorsed him and still does.  Which means Mara does too I guess. Gettleman drafted him although maybe his hand was forced by the situation.  Then Schoen gives him this joke of a contract.  I think I blame Schoen most unless there's something we don't know.  I thought last year was the perfect opportunity to walk away.  Go sign Baker I said.  That would have been perfectly fine.  Jones couldn't even stay healthy enough to get a higher pick in the draft.

I knew our season was cooked the opening drive of the season.  All runs, no passing threat then we go backwards and miss a FG or have it blocked, it's a blur now.  Nevermind the Philly playoff blowout.  I don't know what people see in this guy.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on March 08, 2024, 08:08:04 PMDaniel jones is not getting cut this year period. He can hang on the bench, but the last place he's going is the unemployment line.

The reason being is that we would have 47 million dollars In dead money which would put us in the negative on the cap. Great to realize they made a bad decision, but you don't follow that up with another bad decision.

Wait until 2025 and it's a 11 million dead cap with 30 in savings.

I want a new Qb more than anyone but cutting Jones this year does not benefit this team.

ok not cut, but I mean "not playing at all" so he avoids injury and the cap issues with that

Quote from: StompYouOT on March 08, 2024, 11:17:57 PMWho is to blame??  Eli endorsed him and still does.  Which means Mara does too I guess. Gettleman drafted him although maybe his hand was forced by the situation.  Then Schoen gives him this joke of a contract.  I think I blame Schoen most unless there's something we don't know.  I thought last year was the perfect opportunity to walk away.  Go sign Baker I said.  That would have been perfectly fine.  Jones couldn't even stay healthy enough to get a higher pick in the draft.

I knew our season was cooked the opening drive of the season.  All runs, no passing threat then we go backwards and miss a FG or have it blocked, it's a blur now.  Nevermind the Philly playoff blowout.  I don't know what people see in this guy.

Eli would endorse anyone who became the Giants QB, I doubt he ever says he does not like someone. I blame Schoen the most too. And I agree on Baker!! Even Gardner would have worked.

Jones is to blame for Jones. Nobody else. His refusal to learn or even practice looking off the safety is his biggest roadblock. The league now knows where his eyes go, so too will the ball go. People have debated this but all during the playoffs it was stated how QBs eyes kept the safety honest for just long enough.

When you watch jones drop back in practice, he still doesn't even attempt to practice this skill. It has caused his game to summit where it is and that is unfortunate.

Mara wanted him drafted and Mara wanted him signed last off season.

Pretty cut and dry to me.


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Don't you folks know it's all the fickle fans fault? Come on now... no QB could survive with perennial Offensive Line woes that struggle in pass protection. The pressure was insurmountable. Furthermore, not having a legitimate number one Receiver and bringing in a slew of Slot Receivers and a gimpy and expensive Tight End tying up precious Cap Space was a detriment in signing competent FA's to fortify that line or to get that Elite Receiver.

Now Mara reads the Fan Base's uneducated conclusions and will have another overreaction by forcing Schoen to Draft the next Eli Clone. Of course that QB will fail too as no QB, not even Mahomes or Josh Allen can overcome such adverse playing conditions.

Quote from: Ed Vette on March 09, 2024, 08:39:06 AMDon't you folks know it's all the fickle fans fault? Come on now... no QB could survive with perennial Offensive Line woes that struggle in pass protection. The pressure was insurmountable. Furthermore, not having a legitimate number one Receiver and bringing in a slew of Slot Receivers and a gimpy and expensive Tight End tying up precious Cap Space was a detriment in signing competent FA's to fortify that line or to get that Elite Receiver.

Now Mara reads the Fan Base's uneducated conclusions and will have another overreaction by forcing Schoen to Draft the next Eli Clone. Of course that QB will fail too as no QB, not even Mahomes or Josh Allen can overcome such adverse playing conditions.

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The problem i think was.
He played well.enought to.win a playoff game and dabold winning coach of the year
The team.wanted to see what they had in him
Now they know
I didnt see what else they coule.of done
Pay him less.or tag him
But to let him.test the free market would.of been crazy
Cause they how would he have repsect of the team when everyone knows no.other team.wanted him
They should.of tagged him
But
Would it be bad to draft a QB sit him.for. a year behind Jones
No mattee what you think about D Jones
He works hard

Quote from: ralphpal1 on March 09, 2024, 11:10:39 AMThe problem i think was.
He played well.enought to.win a playoff game and dabold winning coach of the year
The team.wanted to see what they had in him
Now they know
I didnt see what else they coule.of done
Pay him less.or tag him
But to let him.test the free market would.of been crazy
Cause they how would he have repsect of the team when everyone knows no.other team.wanted him
They should.of tagged him
But
Would it be bad to draft a QB sit him.for. a year behind Jones
No mattee what you think about D Jones
He works hard

Part of the reason was Dabol coached to win. Last year he did not

Who is most to blame?
Schoen and his scoutes for having no clue about O line talent and how to fix that unit.

Simple answer:  the friggin OL

2022 - played 16 games and sacked 44 times.  Threw like 15 TDs to 5 INTs

2023 - played 6 games and sacked 30 times.  Threw 2 TDs to 6 INTs.  YPC and YPA down about 2 yards each from 2022 due to way more pressure.

Just look at 2022 vs 2023.  30 sacks in 6 games projects ti almost 90 sacks over 17 games vs only 44 sacks in 2022z. That is only sacks.  Add in pressure.

This is pretty friggin easy to figure out.

Quote from: Philosophers on March 10, 2024, 10:09:40 AMSimple answer:  the friggin OL

2022 - played 16 games and sacked 44 times.  Threw like 15 TDs to 5 INTs

2023 - played 6 games and sacked 30 times.  Threw 2 TDs to 6 INTs.  YPC and YPA down about 2 yards each from 2022 due to way more pressure.

Just look at 2022 vs 2023.  30 sacks in 6 games projects ti almost 90 sacks over 17 games vs only 44 sacks in 2022z. That is only sacks.  Add in pressure.

This is pretty friggin easy to figure out.

That still doesn't explain him throwing the ball though. They knew it was an issue in 2022. He only had 2 passes beyond 20 yards before Thanksgiving. The signs were there. He had 10 games under 200 yards passing, and 4 games were he was right at 200 yards passing. There were games were he wouldn't throw for the entire quarter, but you'd pay a guy you won't let throw the ball for 1/4th of the game.