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Despite Daniel Jones' notable 2023 struggles, our experts do not think the Giants should use a first-round draft pick on a QB, instead selecting an offensive tackle or wide receiver.

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I actually agree with their position.  As I just explained to Bob, I'd prefer the Giants draft a 'second-tier' QB like Nix in the late 1st or early 2d, preserving their 1st pick to select the best WR available.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 25, 2024, 10:26:52 AMI actually agree with their position.  As I just explained to Bob, I'd prefer the Giants draft a 'second-tier' QB like Nix in the late 1st or early 2d, preserving their 1st pick to select the best WR available.

Who is the Giants QB of the future who will connect with this receiver?

Quote from: katkavage on March 25, 2024, 10:34:29 AMWho is the Giants QB of the future who will connect with this receiver?

I am not saying I agree with this cartoon, but your comment reminded me of it:

The problem with options B and C are that Jones might not be healthy enough to stand and throw.

Quote from: katkavage on March 25, 2024, 10:34:29 AMWho is the Giants QB of the future who will connect with this receiver?

I believe I addressed your question in the in second part of the my statement. When it comes to the draft, I prefer a return-on-investment philosophy.  This season, I believe it's best to select the first or second best WR or best T, than pick the forth or fifth best QB.  IMO, I'd gamble with the aforementioned QB (or similar) with potential upside in the late 1st or 2d; obviously, the former will require the Giants to spend assets to move up the draft; still, I believe this scenario represents the best ROI.  If the Giants can come away with a blue chip WR and potential QB, I'd be elated.

Quote from: kingm56 on March 25, 2024, 10:46:34 AMI believe I addressed your question in the in second part of the my statement. When it comes to the draft, I prefer a return-on-investment philosophy.  This season, I believe it's best to select the first or second best WR or best T, than pick the forth or fifth best QB.  IMO, I'd gamble with the aforementioned QB (or similar) with potential upside in the late 1st or 2d; obviously, the former will require the Giants to spend assets to move up the draft; still, I believe this scenario represents the best ROI.  If the Giants can come away with a blue chip WR and potential QB, I'd be elated.

If they think Nix or anyone else day 2 has potential to be elite, yes. If they think they have potential just to start some day, it's a waste.

I'm gonna make a bold prediction: There will be at least one wide receiver picked day 2 or 3 in this draft who becomes a number one, elite receiver in the NFL. Not so sure I make that prediction about a QB.

The Offensive Line was upgraded at both Guard positions and it's expected that JMS takes a step forward. It remains to be seen if Evan Neal is the incumbent RT, although I do expect him to start the season there. Either way, the Line should be improved with the new Oline Coach.

The questions I have are, would a Drake Maye, JJ McCarthy, or any QB taken be an upgrade to elevate the Receiver positions? Or, would an elite Receiver elevate Jones/Lock with the upgraded or expected upgraded O-Line? Would a Bo Nix or Penix, thrive with an elite Receiver and an expected O-Line?

Not drafting a QB in the first two rounds allows the Giants to Draft an Elite Receiver and an Offensive Lineman in the first two rounds. I think they can sign a veteran Corner. They have their Edge Rusher. Would they wait until the third round to get their QB? Would they trade next year's draft picks to move up in any round?

I think if they go Receiver in round one, their next pick needs to be a QB. 

Quote from: katkavage on March 25, 2024, 10:53:36 AMIf they think Nix or anyone else day 2 has potential to be elite, yes. If they think they have potential just to start some day, it's a waste.

I'm gonna make a bold prediction: There will be at least one wide receiver picked day 2 or 3 in this draft who becomes a number one, elite receiver in the NFL. Not so sure I make that prediction about a QB.

"If they think Nix or anyone else day 2 has potential to be elite"

The "if they think" portion has little value to me.  It reminds me of a line from Money Ball: "You don't have a crystal ball, you can't look at a kid and predict his future any more than I can." "When it comes to your son, I know...but you don't...you don't."

What I care about is the ROI and probability, which is the impetus of me concurring with the 33rd team. 

Considering the amount of WRs available and will be drafted, I'd say your prediction has a more than a moderate chance of coming to fruition.

I agree. Unless, there is serious doubt about DJ being able and ready to start the season, I don't want to see the Giants putting cart before horse by trading up or drafting a still available McCarthy at 6. While it all may be crap shoot at best, this is a time for patience and a steady hand, not for rash decision.

Cheers!

Which option gets us a top 10 QB performance by 2025 at a minimum?


That's what we must solve for?

Quote from: kingm56 on March 25, 2024, 10:26:52 AMI actually agree with their position.  As I just explained to Bob, I'd prefer the Giants draft a 'second-tier' QB like Nix in the late 1st or early 2d, preserving their 1st pick to select the best WR available.

king: Me too. Bring in the "right" WR in the first round (not if the one or two you really wanted are already gone, in which case you bring in "best player available" at any position, although OL is certainly an area of need, so you look there first), then consider paying the price to move up to either the high 2nd-round or low 1st-round, depending on which (if any) QB's you really like is still available.

Bob

PS. If you really love a QB in the high first round who has inexplicably fallen to Pick Six, my plan (above) does not rule out serious consideration of a QB, especially if (for example) the guy who fell is your top-ranked QB in the entire draft vs. your second- or third-ranked WR.

PPS. My favorite drafts in the past have been when the Giants get the very best player they see from a position that has yet been drawn from by the other teams.  In other words, the best TE or best whatever, preferably at a position of need.  The Giants have numerous positions of need.

Quote from: Bob In PA on March 25, 2024, 11:15:54 AMking: Me too. Bring in the "right" WR in the first round (not if the one or two you really wanted are already gone, in which case you bring in "best player available" at any position, although OL is certainly an area of need, so you look there first), then consider paying the price to move up to either the high 2nd-round or low 1st-round, depending on which (if any) QB's you really like is still available.

Bob

PS. If you really love a QB in the high first round who has inexplicably fallen to Pick Six, my plan (above) does not rule out serious consideration of a QB, especially if (for example) the guy who fell is your top-ranked QB in the entire draft vs. your second- or third-ranked WR.

PPS. My favorite drafts in the past have been when the Giants get the very best player they see from a position that has yet been drawn from by the other teams.  In other words, the best TE or best whatever, preferably at a position of need.  The Giants have numerous positions of need.

Bob, I completely agree with your caveats; sounds like we're very much aligned on this matter...

Kiper sure does yack. It's a wonder he doesn't choke on his tongue. Still, what he says about the Draft and QBs therein is as obvious as it is enlightening.

https://youtu.be/9_vNTWjve9E?si=-c48qKetJM6U1hpi&t=9

Cheers!

I will sound like a broken record..because on this topic; I AM!

Trade down, grab another 2nd this year and a 1st next year.

Then prioritize OL (yep even with the FAs we picked up), CB, DT.

Next priority LB and WR.

Higher WR & QB should be addressed next year. We're not winning anything this year anyway so having an extra #1 and a top 10 of your own to maneuver, knowing that the trenches on the roster are deep in talent; that's how I'd like to see this team built.


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