Why do I feel like they are operating light-years ahead of the oft-injured Giants?
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Show posts MenuQuote from: DaveBrown74 on May 03, 2024, 07:52:30 PMIf we don't finish last we'll be third. That is our realistic ceiling.
Quote from: gregf on May 03, 2024, 09:37:34 PMWinner: Kayvon, help on the other side. Jones. JMS, vets to help with stunts next to him. Bellinger, chance to be a starter.
Loser: Ojularri. Drx, nit enough DT quality or depth. Neal, might get pushed out ar RT.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 03, 2024, 06:37:46 PMWinner Pinnock, Bobby Ok, and Flott- Pinnock because he gets to stay at FS and continue to grow with Nubin at Strong. Flott because drafting Phillips gets him another Shot at boundaOK, Bobby Ok will thrive with all the talent around him on the front 7, and only get better.
Losers- Belton, Bellinger, and Gray- Drafting a safety let's Belton know that he will only get snaps if he beats Pinnock. Since Bellinger has been drafted we traded for a TE, and drafted another. I think he's the first person at risk of losing his job because Theo is a better talent now than Bellinger is now. Gray got stuck in the doghouse and never got out, maybe taking KR duties away finally will let him focus.
Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 06:31:52 AMDid you bother researching your own question? Clearly not...
Eli Manning
Without Question, Eli's best season was 2011, the only year he received All-Pro votes, was a Pro Bowler, and won a SB. That year, PFF ranked the NYG Giants Oline #31 (#32 pass protection). His running game was dead-last...he and JPP carried that team to the playoffs.
Here's the exert from PFF:
Yes, they won the Super Bowl, but they did so in spite of a line that sieved pressure throughout the year. Our lowest-ranked pass protecting line had problems all over, but nowhere as bad as at the tackle positions (especially once Will Beatty was lost for the year). It wasn't just the tackles however, with every member of the Giants' line earning a negative grade. This explains the drop-off in the run game and makes the season that Eli Manning had all the more remarkable.
Best Player: Before his season was cut short, Will Beatty (-1.2) was having a good first year starting ... outside of Trent Cole showing him what for in Week 11.
Worst Player: It's hard to look past David Diehl (-48.1) who was terrible at guard, and even worse at tackle. His on field performance is simply unacceptable, giving up a ridiculous nine sacks, eight hits and 48 hurries during the regular season.
Tom Brady
It's complete myth Tom Brady enjoyed top-tier protection throughout his career. In 2014, 15 and 16, the onlines were bad...REAL BAD. During that span, he continued to play at an AP/MVP level,.
Enjoy the PFF exerts:
2014:
23. New England Patriots
Pass Blocking Ranking: 31st, Run Blocking Ranking: 8th, Penalties Ranking: 19th
Stud: Our second-team All-Pro right tackle Sebastian Vollmer had himself another good year and avoided the injury bug for a change. Bonus.
Dud: The 306 snaps that Jordan Devey managed were brutal to watch at times. Not much of a pass blocker, he didn't exactly light it up in the run game either.
Breakdown: Nate Solder had a bad year by his standards and the interior gave up way too much pressure. They did bloody some rookies, but this group appeared a unit in transition, with the team trying to patch up something just good enough to not harm their skill players too much.
2015:
25. NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
Pass-blocking rank: 31st
Run-blocking rank: 12th
Penalties rank: 15th
Stud: Far from perfect, but Josh Kline looked the part when he got on the field.
Dud: Pick your poison here. None were truly atrocious, but most were well below average. None more so than Cameron Fleming, who allowed way too much pressure.
Summary: The good news is that, where they struggle (pass protection), they have a quarterback good enough to overcome it. But it was still so bad that you wonder how much easier (and better) life for Tom Brady could have been with better protection.
"I think we've established how atrocious the New England Patriots offensive line performed in 2015. Almost every single player to suit up on the line was hurt for some extended period of time, and the team had to rely on a series of young, inexperienced, and hurt players to protect the best player in the NFL."
According to Pro Football Focus, the Patriots offensive line ranked 31st in the league in pass protection, ahead of only the San Diego Chargers.
Key Takeaways:
1. Both the 2015 Pats and 2011 Giants won SBs with PFFs 31st and 32 ranked pass blocking olines
2. Prime Eli Manning was absolutely capable, and DID, overcome terrible oline play
3. Tom Brady was an MVP/AP/SP Winner with the NFLs "31 ranked pass protection
4. Tom Brady was able to overcome terrible oline play
2007: Brady was sacked 21 times
2008: Brady injured, Matt Cassel was sacked 47 times with the same Oline and Coach
2009: Brady returns and the line reverts to giving up just 16 sacks
5. Over the past few months, I've watched fans incorrectly attribute sacks allowed to the Oline, without giving any consideration to the QB role in that stat; QBs who process poorly are sacked more...is that really a surprise?
I could provide a lot more data points, but I know your mind is made up and no amount of objective or subjective data will change it. Regardless, your statement regarding Eli's and Brady's reliance on the oline has objectively been proven false.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on Today at 01:12:32 AMYou're forgetting the offsetting that occurs when the Giants signed players. Runyon effectively cancelled out Saquon with a similar AAV.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 03, 2024, 08:40:01 PMAll of those accomplishments you listed happened as a rookie besides the coming back against a horrible Arizona team. Most of the people he was listed with outside Peyton and Russell haven't exactly taken the league by storm.
Kinda like the "how it started, how it's going" meme.
As a Rookie he also has the 3rd most turnovers for a rookie in NFL history with 5 less than Deshon Kizer and 2 less than Geno Smith.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on Today at 01:52:01 AMExpecting our O-Line to improve to average is putting a LOT of faith in the new O-Line coach.
Quote from: kingm56 on May 03, 2024, 03:45:01 PMYou highlighted DJs 'brilliance', while simultaneously discounting Mitch T own brilliance. The latter was an NFC player on the week and pro bowler in 2018. That's the point; a lot of NFL starters flash brilliance, which is why they're 1 of 32 people in the world to do it.
Quote from: B1GBLUE on May 03, 2024, 03:36:49 PMim pulling for him. you can certainly argue he does deserve an extension/raise, even though he's a bit expendable now with nabers in the fold. i do still think he's our current #2. which is a good role for him
Quote from: kingm56 on May 03, 2024, 03:31:40 PMPassing attempts:
1,872
Passing completions:
1,200
Completion percentage:
64.1%
TD–INT:
72–48
Passing yards:
12,536
Passer rating:
85.5
Career history
* Pro Bowl (2018)
* Third-team All-ACC (2016)
DANIEL JONES
Passing attempts:
1,900
Passing completions:
1,221
Completion percentage:
64.3%
TD–INT:
62–40
Passing yards:
12,512
Passer rating:
85.2
Rushing yards:
1,914
Rushing touchdowns:
13
Career history
* New York Giants (2019–present)
Roster status:
Active
Almost identical numbers, except Mitch has a pro bowl to his name and some college accolades. DJ has Active player.
I'm not saying Mitch is better, but he had equal 'flashes.' Again, they are no tangible examples in 25 years, and only 1 in 40 years that support your supposition. Why do you think there are Limited, to no tangible examples?
I do appreciate the time supporting your positions.