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Quote from: brownelvis54 on May 01, 2024, 09:29:29 PMOur QB room looks pretty bleak

Jones: two neck surgeries and an ACL

Drew Lock who couldnt beat out Teddy Bridgwater and Gino Smith (twice)

Cutlets, enough said

There could be some cause for optimism. It was reported that Lock wasn't serious enough about putting in the work t get to the next level but last year there was marked improvement. Maybe Daboll saw something in him. For sure he would drive the ball downfield.

As for Tommy, another year in the system and an off-season to prepare, might make him more effective. He was just thrown in there LY. The key will be if they carry three QB's this season.

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Agreed, Jeff.

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He is right about most of the mechanics but is wrong about dead cap. The Dead Cap is factored into the preseason 51 calculation so we do have cap space right now. Our $19m dead against the cap is mid table (21/32).

NFL Cap 255.4m
Carried over 2.5
Adjustment 2.5*
Top 51 (235.0)
Dead Cap (19.0)
Available Cap 6.4
Data from OTC
* The adjustment is a technical credit

You typically need an extra $6m to cover incremental rookie contracts over the bottom guys on the 51. Another $5-6m is needed to cover the shift from 51 to 53 and inclusion of the PS (dependent on the make-up of the PS) so he is correct that our effective cap space is lower, in effect negative. In fact it is likely to be more negative once you include IR/PUP but not c. $18m.

In summary, he understands it better than most media but his dead cap error led him off course. He ignores the fact Giants have easy options to help manage the squeeze. There are several contract restructures to create space that we can do unilaterally (by rule, without any negotiation) and if Waller quits and we post June him we also gain space.

So, NO we are not in actual cap trouble but we are cap restricted, will have to do more cap management and cannot just offer big contracts to veterans to improve CB, DT, OL.

P.S. Restructures and post June designations do tend to create future dead cap but like every NFL team bar the extreme contract manipulators (New Orleans, potentially Philly in future with their increasing use of void years) we can manage this somewhat comfortably when the cap is rising.

Ideally you want to keep dead cap at a reasonable level and limit it to one year per contract (no void years). We might well have a bigger dead cap hit but more cap space next year if we cut Jones and draft a rookie. We would have a better cap platform for the future beyond 2025 as a result.

Here endeth my accountant geek out!

Quote from: Topshelf21 on Today at 01:36:42 AMI thought he was the swiss army knife in college or am I mistaken about what I remember about Simmons?!?!

He was in college, playing a little bit of everywhere.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 01, 2024, 09:06:11 PMI think teams have made the mistake of trying him everywhere instead of sticking him somewhere permanently.

I thought he was the swiss army knife in college or am I mistaken about what I remember about Simmons?!?!

We're at the point now where either the seeds sprout, or they don't.

For years, and certainly as Schoen's taken over, the Giants have been one of the youngest teams in the league:

RB - Drafted Gray (25) and Tracy (25) last 2 years. Are they players or do they suck? RB depth will be needed to do anything meaningful.
WR - If Nabers (21) and Hyatt (23) pop, and Robinson (23) keeps going, they could have one of the best trios in the league. If they don't, the worst.
TE - Bellinger (24) & Theo Johnson (23) are the potential difference makers. How good are they?
OL - The performance of the group swings on Schmitz (25) and Neal (24). 2 premium investments. 
CB - Banks (23), Flott (23), Robinson (26), Phillips (23) & Hawkins (24) are 5 planted seeds. This could sprout into a great situation or completely suck. 
S - Investments made in Nubin (23), Pinnock (25), Belton (24) & Owens (25). Solid 4-man group or a weakness?

Almost every position group hinges on how these youngsters (acquired by Schoen) come around. We could get a bumper crop, or starve to death.

I am confused about "The Rule of 51″




"The Rule of 51″
The NFL's Rule of 51 says that during the offseason, only the 51 most expensive contracts count against the team's salary cap, staying in effect until the start of the regular season. Once the regular season begins, all 53 players on the roster will count towards the salary cap, plus those on IR, Pup, and the practice squad.


https://en.as.com/nfl/2024-nfl-free-agency-the-salary-cap-explained-n/#:~:text=The%20NFL%27s%20Rule%20of%2051,start%20of%20the%20regular%20season.




According to the video, starts about the 5 minute mark, but the whole video is interesting. Basically money wise we are screwed. 17 players dead cap and if rule 51 expired we will be 14 - 18 million short? Is this guy correct?

Quote from: Doc16LT56 on April 30, 2024, 07:26:34 AMWhere's the "waiting for a QB" option?

Our QB room looks pretty bleak

Jones: two neck surgeries and an ACL

Drew Lock who couldnt beat out Teddy Bridgwater and Gino Smith (twice)

Cutlets, enough said