Theres a golden rule in #NFLDraft reporting not to buy into info you hear the last week, when misdirection is highest. Im breaking the rule.
After a bunch of calls since Thurs, I believe:
- Drake Maye is #Giants most likely QB pick of the top 4 (Not to say he's their No.1-ranked QB)
- I think they'd be willing to trade up for him but sounds like #Patriots and #Commanders arent moving
- I think they would strongly consider trading down if JJ McCarthy is there at 6 and #Broncos and #Vikings want to trade up. But he would be in play at 6 if offers not strong
- I'd still bet 4 QBs go in top 5 picks and so Giants end up with a great WR. Id then watch Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr
@MoveTheSticks
left NYG out of McCarthy team list and it caught my attention because so many people were in my ear about Giants and JJ since NFL Combine
https://x.com/rydunleavy/status/1782402697414488368
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Malik Nabers is "a player the Giants covet," and he is their pick at 6 in
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's latest 2024 NFL Mock Draft:
"The Giants want a quarterback. The problem is that they're priced out of the top four selections. The Bears, Commanders and Patriots have zero interest in moving down. The Vikings simply have more at their disposal to trade up for McCarthy. The Giants roster, as Joe Schoen said at his pre-draft news conference, is more than a player or two away. They can't start giving away an abundance of their draft capital for one position, even if it's a quarterback. They can try to grab someone like Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) or Bo Nix (Oregon) in the second round.
Nabers, multiple sources told SNY, is a player the Giants covet. Most around the league expect him to be New York's pick if they can't get a quarterback (more and more unlikely by the day)."
The full top 10 here: http://on.sny.tv/FvTGpFw
https://x.com/SNYGiants/status/1782427572053180534
Roll on Thursday.
https://x.com/BigBlueVCR/status/1782431559108219279
This just in: Giants are interested in a player in the first round. /sarcasm/
It's all going to come down to draft day. The first two, I think are set, but maybe not. Maybe Daniels is not number two, maybe Maye or McCarthy. I think if Maye or McCarthy are there for the Patriots, the Pats pick Maye. I don't see the Vikings giving up three number one draft choices (one next year) for McCarthy and maybe not for Maye either. Both players need a year on the sidelines, maybe even more than a year. The Vikings have a team ready to compete with good receivers, decent OL, and running backs. If the Vikes stand pat, they get Penix, who could prosper in that situation immediately. And they keep their other first round pick to fortify whatever they need. That leaves Arizona. They can trade with the Giants and get either Nabers and/or Harrison. Same with the Chargers. I would not give up the second round pick to the Chargers to move up one spot. I don't see the Raiders or Broncos giving up, or having enough to trade up. That leaves McCarthy. We shall see how the dominoes fall on Thursday.
The internet has been ablaze this last week or so saying the Giants really want Maye. It's been so widely circulated that I know one thing: Giants are NOT interested in Maye...of course, I could also be eating crow Thursday night. Every rumor out there is nothing more than a red herring and it could have even been spread by the Giants for all we know...and we know nothing :doh:
Quote from: katkavage on April 22, 2024, 12:03:24 PMIt's all going to come down to draft day. The first two, I think are set, but maybe not. Maybe Daniels is not number two, maybe Maye or McCarthy. I think if Maye or McCarthy are there for the Patriots, the Pats pick Maye. I don't see the Vikings giving up three number one draft choices (one next year) for McCarthy and maybe not for Maye either. Both players need a year on the sidelines, maybe even more than a year. The Vikings have a team ready to compete with good receivers, decent OL, and running backs. If the Vikes stand pat, they get Penix, who could prosper in that situation immediately. And they keep their other first round pick to fortify whatever they need. That leaves Arizona. They can trade with the Giants and get either Nabers and/or Harrison. Same with the Chargers. I would not give up the second round pick to the Chargers to move up one spot. I don't see the Raiders or Broncos giving up, or having enough to trade up. That leaves McCarthy. We shall see how the dominoes fall on Thursday.
My best guess is the three QBs (in some order) off the board first are Williams, Maye, and Daniels. I think JJ will be in play at 4.
My prediction is that if JJ McCarthy is available at 6, the Giants will draft him as they want a QB. If he is not available at 6 and Malik Nabers is, the Giants will draft him. That is my prediciton.
Tucked away in the medical section of Albert Breer's long Monday Morning SI column today is the nugget that both Nabers and Thomas Jr have shoulder injuries flagged from the combine process that might see one, other or both need surgery after a season or two. It is the only place I have seen this so I thought it was worth flagging here.
Quote from: londonblue on April 22, 2024, 12:28:45 PMTucked away in the medical section of Albert Breer's long Monday Morning SI column today is the nugget that both Nabers and Thomas Jr have shoulder injuries flagged from the combine process that might see one, other or both need surgery after a season or two. It is the only place I have seen this so I thought it was worth flagging here.
Thanks for the heads up on a good article (there are actually two articles). Here are his Giants take:
New York Giants
First round: No. 6
Total picks: Six
Needs: WR, QB, OT, CB, DT
What you need to know: They've done all the work on the quarterbacks. They traveled to Chapel Hill to work out Maye, went to Ann Arbor to work out McCarthy and traveled to Seattle to work out Penix. They also had groups at the pro days, and did 30 visits with each. The quarterback I've heard them connected to most (by far) is Maye. If they can't get in position to get Maye, I could see the Giants standing pat and taking a receiver. I'd say this spot is the floor for Harrison. If he's not there, would the Giants take Washington's Rome Odunze over LSU's Malik Nabers? Given that Nabers has a bit of a reputation for being difficult to deal with/coach, and the Giants' own experience with another LSU receiver that had been like that, I could see it, with Odunze being about as clean character-wise as any prospect in the draft.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/04/22/2024-nfl-draft-team-needs-targets-predictions-picks
• Both of LSU's star receivers, Brian Thomas Jr. and Malik Nabers, have issues with their left shoulders. The risk here is considered relatively minimal—in both cases, there's a chance the player may have to have the shoulder surgically repaired after the 2024 season. Bryan Bresee, the Saints' first-round pick last year, had a similar situation with his shoulder coming into the draft last year.
• Penix is a big one because he's had multiple ACL tears and multiple shoulder surgeries. Exacerbating the problem, in the eyes of teams, is that he's not an overly big-framed person, meaning he might prove to be more susceptible to additional injuries in the NFL, especially with the hits he tends to take in the pocket. Conversely, he made it through his two seasons at Washington without missing time.
• Georgia WR Ladd McConkey's situation is similar to Penix in that he's dealt with a mountain of injuries, and he's not overly big (185 pounds). So the concern is how his body holds up with the hits coming from bigger, faster players in the NFL.
• A fun quarterback comparison that I didn't use in my Friday column because I was afraid it'd fly over younger people's heads—Rich Gannon for Bo Nix. An offensive coordinator gave me that one, and I really, really like it.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2024/04/022/takeaways-nfl-draft-latest-buzz-rumors-medicals
Quote from: T200 on April 22, 2024, 11:42:03 AMThis just in: Giants are interested in a player in the first round. /sarcasm/
Lmao! I was thinking the same think; this 'reporting' is nothing more than common sense.
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Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on April 22, 2024, 12:05:14 PMThe internet has been ablaze this last week or so saying the Giants really want Maye. It's been so widely circulated that I know one thing: Giants are NOT interested in Maye...of course, I could also be eating crow Thursday night. Every rumor out there is nothing more than a red herring and it could have even been spread by the Giants for all we know...and we know nothing :doh:
He's the most likely QB to fall to the Giants; hence, it's easy to 'report' it as a possibility, so they can take credit for it down the road. I doubt they heard anything from any reliable source; instead, they're just employing common sense. Like you, I don't believe any of it.
Quote from: kingm56 on April 22, 2024, 01:38:25 PMHe's the most likely QB to fall to the Giants; hence, it's easy to 'report' it as a possibility, so they can take credit for it down the road. I doubt they heard anything from any reliable source; instead, they're just employing common sense. Like you, I don't believe any of it.
100% This!
Chatter from a few of my very reliable sources revealed that tomorrow is Tuesday. =))
So.....
The Giants want a QB, but if he is not there, then they want a WR (Nabers), but they may want to move up in the draft to get there guy, they may also consider moving down in the draft per a source familiar with the Giants......oh please get here soon Thursday
https://x.com/clt_ny/status/1782754980060938662
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 23, 2024, 09:05:29 AMhttps://x.com/clt_ny/status/1782754980060938662
:smoking:
Where there's smoke, there's liar(s).
Daniel Ĵones eyes when he was asked about the Giants drafting a Qb lol.
Quote from: T200 on April 22, 2024, 11:42:03 AMThis just in: Giants are interested in a player in the first round. /sarcasm/
We can only hope!
Quote from: T200 on April 23, 2024, 09:12:40 AM:smoking:
Where there's smoke, there's liar(s).
:funnypost:
I can absolutely see a scenario where Mara and Co. are wondering why the hell did we pay Jones all that money last season when now we are so done with him we have to give up other picks in order to replace him. In a vacuum that would be a fair question to ask.
But much like a lot of the fan base, Mara I assume was also tantalized by the playoff appearance/victory and was not going to be signing off on dumping Jones at that point. THAT also would have been a hard sell even if it's exactly the right thing they should have done.
So when Mara asks well wait a minute why do we need to do all of this to get a QB now when we just paid Jones, Schoen needs to be able to say to him: "I would have done it last year but you wanted to try one more time with Jones. We tried. It failed. He failed. Now you HAVE to let me do things my way." If he can't say that to Mara he should leave the job, if he can say that to Mara and gets ignored...he should leave the job or get fired from it.
We cannot have ownership getting in the way of things any more. It's Mara's team, he can do what he wants with it, but if what he wants is to win he needs to stay the hell out of the way.
Quote from: Gmo11 on April 24, 2024, 10:11:47 AMI can absolutely see a scenario where Mara and Co. are wondering why the hell did we pay Jones all that money last season when now we are so done with him we have to give up other picks in order to replace him. In a vacuum that would be a fair question to ask.
But much like a lot of the fan base, Mara I assume was also tantalized by the playoff appearance/victory and was not going to be signing off on dumping Jones at that point. THAT also would have been a hard sell even if it's exactly the right thing they should have done.
So when Mara asks well wait a minute why do we need to do all of this to get a QB now when we just paid Jones, Schoen needs to be able to say to him: "I would have done it last year but you wanted to try one more time with Jones. We tried. It failed. He failed. Now you HAVE to let me do things my way." If he can't say that to Mara he should leave the job, if he can say that to Mara and gets ignored...he should leave the job or get fired from it.
We cannot have ownership getting in the way of things any more. It's Mara's team, he can do what he wants with it, but if what he wants is to win he needs to stay the hell out of the way.
I get what you're saying but that's not how things work, or should. Every organization has a hierarchy. There are ramifications and repercussions for taking those actions (leaving or getting fired). He currently has 1 of 32 positions and all of the employers who hire for those positions talk.
In a similar way, you're suggesting he go partial Wink. That would be a bad move. He needs to stay true to himself and do his job as best as he can despite the interference. Doing otherwise would be career suicide.
Quote from: T200 on April 24, 2024, 11:01:56 AMI get what you're saying but that's not how things work, or should. Every organization has a hierarchy. There are ramifications and repercussions for taking those actions (leaving or getting fired). He currently has 1 of 32 positions and all of the employers who hire for those positions talk.
In a similar way, you're suggesting he go partial Wink. That would be a bad move. He needs to stay true to himself and do his job as best as he can despite the interference. Doing otherwise would be career suicide.
I'm saying he was hired to do a job and if the ownership doesn't trust him to do it they shouldn't have hired him in the first place. Ultimately this will end up sticking to him good or bad. If they run Jones out there again and again he's gonna have a hard time getting another one of those 32 jobs after he's inevitably fired.
He can't get fired and THEN point the finger at an idiot owner that wouldn't let him do his job. That's sour grapes. If he actually is being hindered he should say so now, leave, scream to anybody that will listen how none of this was his fault, and when 5 other GM's get fired next season he'll be in the running for some of those jobs.
I don't know if Mara actually is getting in the way or not. It's all rumors and such even if they are believable rumors. But I do know if somebody can't properly do his job because his boss won't let him then there's no reason for him to have that job anymore. Whether he's fired or quits he's in a got to go situation.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on April 23, 2024, 09:22:44 AMDaniel Ĵones eyes when he was asked about the Giants drafting a Qb lol.
That's his.."Omg..I going to die soon"..game sigh from his OL doormats
Quote from: Gmo11 on April 24, 2024, 11:08:56 AMI'm saying he was hired to do a job and if the ownership doesn't trust him to do it they shouldn't have hired him in the first place. Ultimately this will end up sticking to him good or bad. If they run Jones out there again and again he's gonna have a hard time getting another one of those 32 jobs after he's inevitably fired.
He can't get fired and THEN point the finger at an idiot owner that wouldn't let him do his job. That's sour grapes. If he actually is being hindered he should say so now, leave, scream to anybody that will listen how none of this was his fault, and when 5 other GM's get fired next season he'll be in the running for some of those jobs.
I don't know if Mara actually is getting in the way or not. It's all rumors and such even if they are believable rumors. But I do know if somebody can't properly do his job because his boss won't let him then there's no reason for him to have that job anymore. Whether he's fired or quits he's in a got to go situation.
I do agree that Mara's involvement, direct or indirect, makes Schoen's job more difficult.
Mara is a meddler. We know that, and have witnessed a proud franchise fall into a dumpster fire with his stewardship.
It's always there to consider.
Quote from: spiderblue43 on April 24, 2024, 11:19:58 AMThat's his.."Omg..I going to die soon"..game sigh from his OL doormats
Those were actually his eyes when reporters mentioned the Giants taking a qb this week. It was a thing on the internet earlier this week and on ESPN.
I keep hearing the unsubstanciated claims of Mara meddling. Apparently John Mara has heard those accusations as well
"They knew my feelings that I was hoping it didn't come to this, but again, at the end of the day I know sometimes every once in a while I read that — 'Oh, he's meddling, he's meddling,'" the NYG co-owner acknowledged candidly. Reacting: "No, we've run our organization the same way for many, many years. If the head coach and general manager have a conviction about a player or a group of players, I'm going to let them go ahead and make those decisions."
https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/john-mara-saquon-barkley-eagles-meddling/
Quote from: Gmo11 on April 24, 2024, 10:11:47 AMI can absolutely see a scenario where Mara and Co. are wondering why the hell did we pay Jones all that money last season when now we are so done with him we have to give up other picks in order to replace him. In a vacuum that would be a fair question to ask.
But much like a lot of the fan base, Mara I assume was also tantalized by the playoff appearance/victory and was not going to be signing off on dumping Jones at that point. THAT also would have been a hard sell even if it's exactly the right thing they should have done.
So when Mara asks well wait a minute why do we need to do all of this to get a QB now when we just paid Jones, Schoen needs to be able to say to him: "I would have done it last year but you wanted to try one more time with Jones. We tried. It failed. He failed. Now you HAVE to let me do things my way." If he can't say that to Mara he should leave the job, if he can say that to Mara and gets ignored...he should leave the job or get fired from it.
We cannot have ownership getting in the way of things any more. It's Mara's team, he can do what he wants with it, but if what he wants is to win he needs to stay the hell out of the way.
Well stated.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 11:53:54 AMI keep hearing the unsubstanciated claims of Mara meddling. Apparently John Mara has heard those accusations as well
"They knew my feelings that I was hoping it didn't come to this, but again, at the end of the day I know sometimes every once in a while I read that — 'Oh, he's meddling, he's meddling,'" the NYG co-owner acknowledged candidly. Reacting: "No, we've run our organization the same way for many, many years. If the head coach and general manager have a conviction about a player or a group of players, I'm going to let them go ahead and make those decisions."
https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-giants/john-mara-saquon-barkley-eagles-meddling/
That sounds disingenuous to me. Whether or not the coach and general manager have a conviction about something is going to be influenced by what the owner has been saying and by a personal desire to survive, IMO.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 24, 2024, 02:53:42 PMThat sounds disingenuous to me. Whether or not the coach and general manager have a conviction about something is going to be influenced by what the owner has been saying and by a personal desire to survive, IMO.
Rich,
One thing I learned is to be true to my own convictions. The reality is doing what you think will please your boss or others, will not protect you if things go south. My feeling is if I am going to be called on the carpet for a decision, it will be one that I made based on my convictions. I found being reamed out for a decision I didn't really agree with was a terrible experience.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 02:56:35 PMRich,
One thing I learned is to be true to my own convictions. The reality is doing what you think will please your boss or others, will not protect you if things go south. My feeling is if I am going to be called on the carpet for a decision, it will be one that I made based on my convictions. I found being reamed out for a decision I didn't really agree with was a terrible experience.
That's well and good, but I place very little credence in factors in a "regular" job having much applicability in the high pressure world of professional sports and jobs for which there are only 32 openings in the entire country. Just my opinion.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 24, 2024, 03:34:42 PMhigh pressure world of professional sports
Two of my jobs literally risked people dying if I screwed up. So when I hear about the "high pressure" entertainment industry jobs...
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 03:50:22 PMTwo of my jobs literally risked people dying if I screwed up. So when I hear about the "high pressure" entertainment industry jobs...
Agreed. I walk that line everyday. Sports is a privilege.
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Quote from: MightyGiants on April 24, 2024, 03:50:22 PMTwo of my jobs literally risked people dying if I screwed up. So when I hear about the "high pressure" entertainment industry jobs...
There are different kinds of pressure.