I haven't seen one yet so post in-game thoughts here.
On any given Sunday and all that...
We need to score touchdowns period. The only way we beat them is matching them on offense. I fear the worst.
I remember getting so excited about the season after watching us march downfield for a TD in preseason. Yet we haven't had a single TD in the first half.
That needs to change starting today.
Eze-Glow-Bredeson-McKethan-Neal
Not too good
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 12:42:16 PMI remember getting so excited about the season after watching us march downfield for a TD in preseason. Yet we haven't had a single TD in the first half.
That needs to change starting today.
We were all victims of fools gold from that one preseason drive with Jones.
Rumors are that Giants players are being given blindfolds and cigarettes before the game.
Giants 10
Miami 41
Barkley out again. Definitely on trading block
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Cmon Jones baby!...we all wanna see you succeed here. Play with a chip!...
Test whether Dabs has a plan or not and whether he still has control of the team. This is Joe Judge team ineptness.
The national audience must hate the NFL for putting the Giants on so many national games and having to watch such a bad team.
Jones to Hodgens - Clearly did NOT lock on him there!
Jones audibled there but it looked very sloppy and unsure. Took too long to recognize
Another third down check down
Breida missed the block on bitlzing linebacker
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Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:07:00 PMAnother third down check down
Inaccurate throw at that smh
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:07:00 PMAnother third down check down
And makes a sloppy throw.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 08, 2023, 01:02:50 PMTest whether Dabs has a plan or not and whether he still has control of the team. This is Joe Judge team ineptness.
The national audience must hate the NFL for putting the Giants on so many national games and having to watch such a bad team.
This is not nationally televised. It's not being played in Philly or Boston
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:07:44 PMBreida missed the block on bitlzing linebacker
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He literally turned away from him double a lineman WTF.
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Well let's see if the defense can contain this offense
That series showed how when the game and pressure mounts he gets sped up. Let's see if he adjusts
How is it we don't stunt our pass rushers like teams do against us?
The defense plays so soft this year
Last year even if it was a bad play the defenders would go hard to the ball carrier ...this year I see them waiting and doing the tip toe dance until the ball carrier comes at them
Miami makes it a look easy. Our offense looks stressed
What a difference in play-calling and creativity... Redfaced
Defense is terrible
That was clear holding on #10
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:07:00 PMAnother third down check down
How do you not throw to a guy past the first down marker? Disgusted with seeing this.
Where was the holding ?
Holding again!
Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 08, 2023, 01:12:54 PMWhat a difference in play-calling and creativity... Redfaced
Exactly
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Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 08, 2023, 01:12:54 PMWhat a difference in play-calling and creativity... Redfaced
Lol helps when you have a QB who isn't passive
Gorgeous offensive play design by Dolphins. Giants offensive play design looks primitive compared to Fins.
YTF are they playing so soft ..it's obvious what they are doing...wink wake tf up
Masterclass on how WE SHOULD be using our offensive weapons... Kafka.. take some notes....
Like taking candy from a baby
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Defender fell down.
Jones had better throw the f***g ball downfield!
1-4
89 yard drive... no resistance whatsoever... think I'd rather have Perry Fewell at this point...
Sigh :'(
What the hell is the difference from last year? Was Julian Love that much of a difference maker?????
Winks complete change of philosophy this season is the most baffling thing to me
Quote from: Philosophers on October 08, 2023, 01:13:48 PMHow do you not throw to a guy past the first down marker? Disgusted with seeing this.
And he had the X receiver down the sideline. I'd rather him take a shot there even if it goes for an incomplete you at least show them you are willing to take shots. Either way wouldn't have been a first down but at least you are trying to get a first down rather than checking down.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:14:45 PMLol helps when you have a QB who isn't passive
Passive. Tua is throwing ball quicker than Jones but has somebody to throw to
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Wanna see Hyatt. NOW
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 01:16:23 PMJones had better throw the f***g ball downfield!
Miami's defense isn't that good....I think 25th pass and 27th run....we should be able to score.
Gray gets a carry!
LOL at least Gray got a carry there even though it was holding
Of course they see holding on us... meanwhile Miami got away with THREE holds on miamis drive
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:18:33 PMPassive. Tua is throwing ball quicker than Jones but has somebody to throw to
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Jones has guys to go to he's just choosing to go to the easy check down rather than take shots downfield.
Been saying Gray is legit.
WOw a holding call didn't kill a drive!!!
Gray got some drive there
Use Wandale as receiver ...not this trick sh**
Grey is running well behind this line
Terrible spot by refs ..grey was closer to the first down then that
That OU DNA!!
Why no Hyatt?
KEEP RUNNING GRAY
Offense is vanilla. Where is Waller
Why are we not using Waller and Hyatt
My distain towards Kafka is growing deeper and deeper....
LOL, can't make this stuff up with the injuries to linemen
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 01:25:07 PMWhy are we not using Waller and Hyatt
They've been on the field for whatever reason they haven't been targeted.
Bad snap ... not a good sign.. going to need bredeson back
Locked on Waller entire time there I think
Wtf happened to the blocking there ???
LOL again no pre snap adjustment leads to a sack
Neal ? Wtf
Jones just doesn't read things.
NEAL is TRASH
Yeah jones sucked on that one ....should have downfield in the.5 seconds he had to throw
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That sack was on Neal ..htf do you not see him ? Was right next to him
The line sucks ...like the commentator said no communication with line,an on that sack.
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Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 01:28:52 PMNeal ? Wtf
Neal has no peripheral vision...happens too often and doesn't even react once they rush paat him...
Have to hope it's all miscommunication...and then coaching or our QB's inability to read an adjust is the problem
Jeez...
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 01:27:52 PMWtf happened to the blocking there ???
No recognition pre snap that the pressure was coming from there and if Gray was going out then Jones needs to either get rid of that ball quickly or adjust the coverage. He didn't.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:29:28 PMYeah jones sucked on that one ....should have downfield in the.5 seconds he had to throw
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See above.
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 01:29:39 PMThat sack was on Neal ..htf do you not see him ? Was right next to him
That wasn't his assignment. Again Pre snap recognition by Jones knowing Gray was going out to adjust coverage at the line.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:29:28 PMYeah jones sucked on that one ....should have downfield in the.5 seconds he had to throw
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The issue there was he didn't read the defense. Need to make adjustments especially with young brand new Olineman in there
If we don't get this fg the game is already over.. Miami will get points on a short field because wink forgot how to play aggressive
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 01:29:04 PMJones just doesn't read things.
He can read the helmet size on the d lineman in his face
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Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 01:29:39 PMThat sack was on Neal ..htf do you not see him ? Was right next to him
Novice fan reaction. We have zero idea if DJ was supposed to throw hot there or Grey was supposed to pick up the edge blitz. To blame Neal is premature
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:30:43 PMThe line sucks ...like the commentator said no communication with line,an on that sack.
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That's Jones's responsibility as the QB Pre-snap
Game is over fellas
Jeez. #35 was holding the entire run there!
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 01:31:48 PMNovice fan reaction. We have zero idea if DJ was supposed to throw hot there or Grey was supposed to pick up the edge blitz. To blame Neal is premature
Grow up with the insults ...I don't have time for that right now
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:32:09 PMThat's Jones's responsibility as the QB Pre-snap
That is not what commentator was saying
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Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:31:45 PMHe can read the helmet size on the d lineman in his face
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Yes
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:31:45 PMHe can read the helmet size on the d lineman in his face
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It's the only thing he's able to read because his instincts and awareness are elementary.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:33:00 PMThat is not what commentator was saying
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Yes, it was. Who do you think is the leader of the offense responsible for making sure everyone is set prior to the snap?
OMG they forced a turnover!
Can we stop with the Wink couldn't sleep thinking about this offense crap... he hasn't stopped any offense this year...
To think we could have had Abraham Lucas in the 3rd round, instead we took Joshua Ezeudu 5 picks earlier. And took anyone else but Neal with pick 7
Please throw a play action bomb to Hyatt on the 1st play here
Nice block by Hodges. Jones fault
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Quote from: Soundwave401 on October 08, 2023, 01:35:06 PMCan we stop with the Wink couldn't sleep thinking about this offense crap... he hasn't stopped any offense this year...
Announcers are being weird with it
This Wan'Dale movement is getting boring and predictable...
Come'on...
What was that timeout for
Here comes the third down check down a yard short of the marker
Our WRs can't block at all. That is one reason why these dump offs don't work like the Dolphins did that first drive. The Dolphins WRs were blocking well on the outside while the Giants WRs couldn't block a grandma
Daboll has an electric receiver in Hyatt and yet he is giving him thei slow walk rookie xxxxxxxx. Enough already!
Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 08, 2023, 01:38:18 PMThis Wan'Dale movement is getting boring and predictable...
Come'on...
I agree ... he's a receiver and has looked good running routes ... stop the bs playcalls
Throw the fucking ball downfield already
Coaching - the ability to have an excellent play call after a timeout
Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 08, 2023, 01:38:18 PMThis Wan'Dale movement is getting boring and predictable...
Come'on...
Earlier in the season it was Campbell doing it.. it'd be fine if it was some sort of setup for a later big play but it just seems like nothing but a distraction that leads to nothing.
Again indecisive
You telling me nobody was open?...Waller was!
Wallet was open Jones. Jones is terrible
I'm annoyed one already ...Jones, Kafka , o line
Someone wake tf up
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:42:08 PMAgain indecisive
Had Waller on the post out. Difficult throw to make moving to his left but he was wide open.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 01:43:17 PMHad Waller on the post out. Difficult throw to make moving to his left but he was wide open.
He doesn't even see the guy right in front of him. He's a backup
So Gray was running well then they completely abandon giving him the rock. Smh
Quote from: sooners56 on October 08, 2023, 01:43:05 PMWallet was open Jones. Jones is terrible
Did you see him open tv. ? I saw someone get ope while two guys were hitting Jones
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I'll take it
The worst part about being a shitty team is we get j Vilma as a color commentary...it's the D team.
Lucky break...let's go!!!
Show me something Daboll...
First down baby
He's completely shell shocked at this point. One read and duck or run. Oline being a turnstile has completely ruined his ability to go through his progressions.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:44:41 PMDid you see him open tv. ? I saw someone get ope while two guys were hitting Jones
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YES. He was wide open.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:44:41 PMDid you see him open tv. ? I saw someone get ope while two guys were hitting Jones
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Well when you're always looking for your check down and not looking downfield by the time your pressure gets to you it's too late.
What are we going to do with this gift?
Is this getting overturned ?
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:45:53 PMWell when you're always looking for your check down and not looking downfield by the time your pressure gets to you it's too late.
Pressure was quick but he was wide open with a single-high safety look. Throw deep to the outside hash while moving to his left would have been a difficult throw, which would have resulted in a huge gain.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 01:45:53 PMWell when you're always looking for your check down and not looking downfield by the time your pressure gets to you it's too late.
You must have a better tv than mine how do you know he is always looking for check down and guys are wide open
So far today he seems to be hitting guys that are open...
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Remember when we were scared Mike Kaftka might get a head coaching job and leave us and were happy to have him back for this season? IMO he can leave
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:48:46 PMYou must have a better tv than mine how do you know he is always looking for check down and guys are wide open
So far today he seems to be hitting guys that are open...
I just rewinded the tv and looked at the play. Jones had Waller wide open by 5 yards and nobody in his face.
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Defense can you get a 3 and out ?
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 01:48:51 PMRemember when we were scared Mike Kaftka might get a head coaching job and leave us and were happy to have him back for this season? IMO he can leave
Yeah, let's get DJ a 5th OC and hope for a different outcome.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:48:46 PMYou must have a better tv than mine how do you know he is always looking for check down and guys are wide open
So far today he seems to be hitting guys that are open...
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Yeah he's hitting his check down receivers that are open. He's not going down field at all. Once again no anticipation
Thibs doing his studder step shuffle while pass rushing
Lol. McKinney.
He wasn't passed the line of scrimmage ? Defense sigh
Nice d Jones fault
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#81 was holding
Defense sucks
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:51:45 PMNice d Jones fault
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You're having a hard time with reality.
Thibs the gift that keeps on giving
Nice tackle by Thibs. A te took him out of play. He is another bust
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Of course now they don't see the holding calls
That was awful absolutely awful. I know Miami has talent but to give up a run like that is unaccapetable.
76 yard run for a TD........................Thank God we have Wink /sarcasm/
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:51:45 PMNice d Jones fault
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Giants having 0 points is Jones fault.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:51:45 PMNice d Jones fault
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You're right Jones is great. I'd ask u to go look at the replay where he had a wide open Waller on 3rd down. Right in front of him in line of view!...he's snakebit
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:51:45 PMNice d Jones fault
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Pack this crap in. Nobody says it's all his fault.
Grow up.
What sucks the most about this is.. they're going to end up winning just enough games.. to ruin the draft pick and keep the management structure in place because "they finished the season strong".
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 01:52:37 PMYou're having a hard time with reality.
Reality is the whole team is bad not just Jones. You seem to think that Jones is the only problem
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I know he isn't on the field, but now you can understand why no tears were shed when he left Baltimore.
Don't abandon the run
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 01:54:25 PMReality is the whole team is bad not just Jones. You seem to think that Jones is the only problem
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Ummm. Incorrect, I'm the poster who recognized last year was a complete mirage and said so multiple times this offseason; unlike you, I also realize that DJ is part of the problem.
You can bitch about the QB all you want but this TEAM cannot block and this TEAM cannot tackle. The two very basic fundamental of playing football. No team can overcome those two factors.
Just take the reigns off the offense. Let DJ just ball and run and play. Whatever switch was turned on the second half of the Cards game.. flip it man. Enough with worrying about turnovers. Just let it loose. There is nothing to lose at this point.
I appreciate them going downfield, regardless of the incomplete pass.
We are giving up on the run I see
There is no creativity in the run game. It's telegraphed
Why did gray spin ... he would have gotten a yard or two if he just ran straight ahead
Either keep the rookie in
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 01:57:22 PMWe are giving up on the run I see
They have more rushing attempts than passing.
Good thing I have Tua and Achane starting on both my fantasy teams.
And again another third down check down
We're winning this game. Calling it now... 8 Mins left in the 2nd. 27-24 Giants. Mark my words.
Quote from: Philosophers on October 08, 2023, 01:59:14 PMGood thing I have Tua and Achane starting on both my fantasy teams.
Smart move to start them today lol
Wtf ... terrible play call
Injuries ...Jesus Christ
These olineman are soft as wet toilet tissue.
A TD would be nice team
And we lose the 5 yards gained ...smh
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 02:00:45 PMSmart move to start them today lol
Yeah how do you not with the way the Giants have been playing?
Ok so same guy false start and we leave him in?
Jones fault
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Nice way to kill a drive
Quote from: Philosophers on October 08, 2023, 02:04:22 PMYeah how do you not with the way the Giants have been playing?
I had fields and DJ this week. I'm up big from two players...got Waddle in this one.
Bring in Taylor to QB, keep Jones in as a RB.
Nice third down conversion
We need to keep running that with Waller... but we need a play down the field at some point
Jones fault
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Even though that didn't go for a TD good job by Jones going down field there to Waller
That was a great throw. You have to catch that ball.
Waller ughh f**
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 02:06:42 PMJones fault
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You are oddly emotional over someone you don't know, or who doesn't care about you.
Waller gotta make that grab man... nice play by Howard uggh
Jones walked right into that sack
Get Ezudu out
Another half with no TDs
Just go for it
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 02:06:53 PMThat was a great throw. You have to catch that ball.
It was a great play by the defender. Not much either the QB or receiver can do there. But again I give Jones credit for taking the shot.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:08:58 PMAnother half with no TDs
To be fair, Jones threw a great ball that should have been caught for a td.
Quote from: Soundwave401 on October 08, 2023, 02:09:17 PMThere is no one left...
How?...who is his backup in case he gets hurt?
You can't miss opportunities like that against good teams. Don't think they will be able to recover from not getting 7 there.
Damn Gano doesn't shank the first fg we are down one score
Ezedu killed us that drive ...
Now we have to witness the soft defense
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 02:09:57 PMTo be fair, Jones threw a great ball that should have been caught for a td.
Defender got his hand on the ball. Was a good throw and a good defense play
I am not sure if Jones being stoic and quiet is being the leader the Giants need. Maybe he needs to be more emotional and get in the faces of his OL and implore them to do their jobs better. Frankly they look indifferent to their poor play including the 11 sack effort against the Seahawks.
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 02:10:43 PMDamn Gano doesn't shank the first fg we are down one score
Ezedu killed us that drive ...
Now we have to witness the soft defense
It was 55+, I wouldn't classify that as a shank.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:10:05 PMHow?...who is his backup in case he gets hurt?
We have two practice squad players in the roster right now
No matter how many holds Ezedu gets... he is staying in there
Quote from: Philosophers on October 08, 2023, 02:11:11 PMI am not sure if Jones being stoic and quiet is being the leader the Giants need. Maybe he needs to be more emotional and get in the faces of his OL and implore them to do their jobs better. Frankly they look indifferent to their poor play including the 11 sack effort against the Seahawks.
You are 100% right!...100%!!!!!
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 02:11:39 PMWe have two practice squad players in the roster right now
No matter how many holds Ezedu gets... he is staying in there
They cannot be worse
Dex is a better line judge than the actual line judges
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 02:07:42 PMYou are oddly emotional over someone you don't know, or who doesn't care about you.
Give me a break. The guy is doing Ok. There absolutely no team around him without Barkley.....and you guys think that despite that. . Jones should be able to carry this team all by himself ...without a line...without legit receivers...without a running game...and I am not emotional about the guy...some of you guys just don't let up on him...
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Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:12:10 PMThey cannot be worse
Did... did you see the blown block Thomas had earlier...?
It's first 1&15 can we get a three and out ?
As I type ..nope defense gives up a huge play ...this is a joke
Goodbye Wink
Ward was being held !! Wtf refs
Quote from: Philosophers on October 08, 2023, 02:11:11 PMI am not sure if Jones being stoic and quiet is being the leader the Giants need. Maybe he needs to be more emotional and get in the faces of his OL and implore them to do their jobs better. Frankly they look indifferent to their poor play including the 11 sack effort against the Seahawks.
To be a leader, you need to perform at a high level. Jones has not. Just because he is the QB does make him a leader. Nor does his paycheck.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 02:13:36 PMGive me a break. The guy is doing Ok. There absolutely no team around him without Barkley.....and you guys think that despite that. . Jones should be able to carry this team all by himself ...without a line...without legit receivers...without a running game...and I am not emotional about the guy...some of you guys just don't let up on him...
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He's not some rookie QB. He's a 5th year QB who was just handed a big contract. He should be able to read a defense pre snap and adjust accordingly which he never does. He has weapons in the passing game he just isn't utilizing them by going downfield frequently. Hitting them with underneath routes does nothing. You continually giving him a pass for everything believing he's great is what you want to roll with no matter what.
I'm shocked at how bad this team really is. It's hard to understand what the plan is with this roster. They didn't step back from last year. They fell off a cliff.
Honestly going for FGs in a game like this is a huge waste. No real chance to compete that way. Sure, maybe you lose by more by giving up points if you don't get the first down... but this is more of a slow bleed pretending FGs will be the difference. If they can't score TDs, they can't win. Offense is just... non-functional. Doesn't look like it belongs in the NFL.
Jones hasn't done anything to elevate the offense. As was stated earlier he needs to have some emotion and get in guys faces!...make them accountable. He has had guys open and keeps checking down. Woody will get mad at me, but we are now 5 games without a single TD in the 1st half!!!!
It is unacceptable
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 02:13:36 PMGive me a break. The guy is doing Ok. There absolutely no team around him without Barkley.....and you guys think that despite that. . Jones should be able to carry this team all by himself ...without a line...without legit receivers...without a running game...and I am not emotional about the guy...some of you guys just don't let up on him...
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Which is exactly why the giants shouldn't have hitched their wagon to 40 million per year.
They aren't good enough, despite barkley's outstanding start last year and Jones playing very well to best the Colts, Washington and Vikings.
They shouldn't have signed him. Found a bridge QB then draft a guy you want to play and eventually play.
1st half TD!
Finally!
Wow! Love it.
I honestly just want Daboll to go into IDGAF mode. Pull the playcalling from Kafka, tell DJ just go out there and play your game. Screens to Gray, deep balls to Hyatt, option runs... there is nothing to lose at this point. Just open it all up.
Miracles do happen
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COME ON!!!
A first half score. At last.
Hopefully the O can show up and add something to it.
What was crazy ... I was just thinking about how Rutgers yesterday was driving to end the half then had 95 yard pick 6 kill it... then boom pinnock
Tua was locked on his WR there. Goes to show ya, defenses easily react to that.
Ignominious way to get your first first-half TD... but I'll take it.
Our FIRST first half TD and it finally came in game 5
Defense another turnover please lol
Thibs has such limited strength and moves. It's hard to watch him one on one and not be annoyed
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 08, 2023, 02:21:45 PMIgnominious way to get your first first-half TD... but I'll take it.
Indeed...
Wink wtf happened to you ? Why are you calling this soft Graham style defense to end the half ..wtf
Wink going to respond by playing soft and letting them get an easy FG.. thanks Wink..
Tua some nice passes in 2 minute drive.
YYYYYY TF are they giving so much cushion ... Wtf is Wink doing
Good sack
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Thibs starting to heat up.
Thibs man.. we need you so bad. More of that please.
Thibs does have 4 sacks so far this season .... As much as we (including me ) complain
17-10 at half.. man I'll take it. We're winning this game!!
Quote from: Soundwave401 on October 08, 2023, 02:30:23 PM17-10 at half.. man I'll take it. We're winning this game!!
Lol I like the positivity .. but we need the defense to stop giving up plays and the offense to actually score
But we are still in it surprisingly
Quote from: Soundwave401 on October 08, 2023, 02:30:23 PM17-10 at half.. man I'll take it. We're winning this game!!
It's not bad.
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 02:28:57 PMThibs does have 4 sacks so far this season .... As much as we (including me ) complain
I'm the leader of that pack. He is extremely frustrating to watch because many plays he is easily handled. Then all of a sudden BOOM.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:35:05 PMI'm the leader of that pack. He is extremely frustrating to watch because many plays he is easily handled. Then all of a sudden BOOM.
Let's all remember he is a 2nd year player...
When did Strahan begin to dominate?
Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 08, 2023, 02:37:01 PMLet's all remember he is a 2nd year player...
When did Strahan begin to dominate?
I honestly don't remember exactly when
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 02:28:57 PMThibs does have 4 sacks so far this season .... As much as we (including me ) complain
I agree. He gets way too much grief. Channel that haterade onto the useless Leo Williams.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 02:38:47 PMI agree. He gets way too much grief. Channel that haterade onto the useless Leo Williams.
Excellent point on Leo. But respectfully, Thibs needs to show more strength and disruption for where he was picked (in my opinion).
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 02:31:19 PMLol I like the positivity .. but we need the defense to stop giving up plays and the offense to actually score
But we are still in it surprisingly
The offense needs to score. Miami has too much talent to expect the defense to completely shut them down.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 02:38:47 PMI agree. He gets way too much grief. Channel that haterade onto the useless Leo Williams.
Did Leonard Williams even dress for today's game?
Problem with Thibs is many of his sacks last year and earlier this season have been coverage or blown blocking assignments. But the last two games he's been winning his matchup and creating the sack himself. Those are the ones that are valuable and I'm glad he's finally becoming disruptive.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 02:41:17 PMThe offense needs to score. Miami has too much talent to expect the defense to completely shut them down.
Did Leonard Williams even dress for today's game?
Has he dressed for any games this season? I assumed he was on the pup
Ok so here is another test for Jones. He has a chance to win this game. But in order to do so, He will need to do something.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:40:32 PMExcellent point on Leo. But respectfully, Thibs needs to show more strength and disruption for where he was picked (in my opinion).
Agree on Strength with Thibs. On Miami long td run he should have been able to toss aside the TE that took him out
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Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:40:32 PMExcellent point on Leo. But respectfully, Thibs needs to show more strength and disruption for where he was picked (in my opinion).
He has 4 sacks in 5 games so far
Even me who thinks overall he looked better last season has to accept that he is NOT a bust ... not yet at least and actually looks decent
Williams is out there. In theory at least.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 02:42:32 PMHas he dressed for any games this season? I assumed he was on the pup
He dressed Monday night. Took that bad penalty. Only way I would have known he was playing.
Giants once again on pace for less than 150 yards passing. Not gonna win too many games in the modern era without eclipsing 200 passing yards.
Ok defense ... stop them .. not give up 50 yards and a fg .. like legit stop these fools
Damn McKinney .. almost
Flot with good coverage
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:43:02 PMOk so here is another test for Jones. He has a chance to win this game. But in order to do so, He will need to do something.
Jones as of now
Att 13
Comp 10
Kaftka needs better play calling
I don't consider 6 yard completions a win ... don't like the soft coverage
Well that was fun to watch
1-4
Speed kills them again there
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 02:46:23 PMJones as of now
Att 13
Comp 10
Kaftka needs better play calling
Stop with this blaming the play calling. It's easy to have that completion percentage when you're always dumping the ball off and checking down to your receivers for easy completions rather than going downfield.
How do you put man on man with hill ...asking for a td
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Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 02:43:50 PMHe has 4 sacks in 5 games so far
Even me who thinks overall he looked better last season has to accept that he is NOT a bust ... not yet at least and actually looks decent
Thibs was double teamed on that TD pass. The offenses know he is one of our few defensive weapons
Did we just leave a rookie cb 1-on-1 with Hill with no safety help, while simultaneously only Rushing three defenders?
Yeah let's play man coverage on one of the fastest guys in the NFL
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 02:46:23 PMJones as of now
Att 13
Comp 10
Kaftka needs better play calling
I'm not sure why 10 for 13 is a bad thing.
Score now more appropiately representing what the teams have shown on the field...
Having said this...PLEASE let play a 2nd half that we can build upon...
Show us something Daboll/Kafka...
Quote from: VanPelt on October 08, 2023, 02:48:07 PMThibs was double teamed on that TD pass. The offenses know he is one of our few defensive weapons
He was and the DTs got zero push in their one-on-one matchup. Despite have some posters feel here, it's clear, defensive coordinators are concerned with Thibs.
When was the last time our defense has given up so many HUGE plays ?
This is pretty bad
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 02:47:43 PMSpeed kills them again there
Stop with this blaming the play calling. It's easy to have that completion percentage when you're always dumping the ball off and checking down to your receivers for easy completions rather than going downfield.
Waller missed to deep passes both catchable , not a check down
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Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 02:47:43 PMSpeed kills them again there
Stop with this blaming the play calling. It's easy to have that completion percentage when you're always dumping the ball off and checking down to your receivers for easy completions rather than going downfield.
Then whos to blame?
Has Hyatt played?
If not why?
Quote from: Stugots on October 08, 2023, 02:49:01 PMYeah let's play man coverage on one of the fastest guys in the NFL
Just terrible...
Think I prefer the Perry Fewell bend but dont break style of D :'(
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 02:49:52 PMWaller missed to deep passes both catchable , not a check down
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Exactly. Does Rambo realize Miami had 326 yards in the first half? Must be Jones fault too
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 02:49:18 PMI'm not sure why 10 for 13 is a bad thing.
Not sure how it's a good thing when it's only for 96 yards.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 02:49:59 PMThen whos to blame?
Jones for always looking for those easy completions
Lmao gray wtf
McKinney is the most overrated Giant since Jabril Peppers.
Why did Jones take such a huge hit there?...slide!
Wow McKinney
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 02:49:52 PMWaller missed to deep passes both catchable , not a check down
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That wasn't a missed catch that was a good play by the defender. Probably the only time he didn't check down today and actually go down field.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 02:51:26 PMMcKinney is the most overrated Giant since Jabril Peppers.
I guess the loss of Love has been WAY WAY more than anyone expected
Horse collar ?
Danny Checkdown to Brieda
Come on. There was plenty of time there and DJ throws a 2 yard check down.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 02:50:54 PMExactly. Does Rambo realize Miami had 326 yards in the first half? Must be Jones fault too
Our defense isnt good but that doesnt mean Jones is good..
No flag for roughing Jones???
At least Jones is a running QB and can make a play like that.
If that was Tua that would have been a penalty just because he started turning to go out of bounds lol
I repeat. Jones should be converted to RB.
Need to get back to that. Just let him play his game. He's such a weapon on the ground.
Jones been taking hits all day... he slid there ... must be hurting
Why is Hyatt not getting a chance?...is Kafka that dumb????
Another HORRIBLE Checkdown!
Almost a turnover
I can't wait to hear how that pass wasn't DJs fault.
Another third down check down and an awful throw on top of it. But yeah not Jones's fault
What's Robinson supposed to do with that?
I guess it's the O-Lines fault. Or Robinson's
Pathetic.
Jones wtf ... now that was a terrible throw
Jones gotta make that throw
What a bad time to make such a bad (and easy) throw...
Definitely bad pass by Jones there. Drive killer
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Just fken go for it.. defense isn't stopp8ng them
It's going to be a three score game no matter what
Even when Jones has the time and reads it right, he fails more times than succeeding
Was that also not Jones fault gentlemen?
Guy just doesn't elevate his play when it matters most.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on October 08, 2023, 02:56:31 PMWhat's Robinson supposed to do with that?
I guess it's the O-Lines fault. Or Robinson's
Pathetic.
He gets that out in front of him and that's a big gain
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:54:00 PMNo flag for roughing Jones???
I thought it could have been called too.
Taylor should get a chance. Bring Jones in as an option runner. Innovate!!
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 02:56:58 PMJones gotta make that throw
Didn't matter it was another check down. Why isn't he throwing beyond the marker?
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 02:57:10 PMDefinitely bad pass by Jones there. Drive killer
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Nah it was a good throw Robinson has to make that catch, no?
Quote from: katkavage on October 08, 2023, 02:58:05 PMTaylor should get a chance. Bring Jones in as an option runner. Innovate!!
They did that last year and it worked. Good thought
He had time on that throw. To not even put it on the guy...
Quote from: sooners56 on October 08, 2023, 02:57:30 PMEven when Jones has the time and reads it right, he fails more times than succeeding
The oline had a good series there. It was BS when the oline was giving tons of time and DJ throws a 1 yard check down to Brieda.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 02:56:13 PMI can't wait to hear how that pass wasn't DJs fault.
I dont think anyone is going to say that
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 02:57:45 PMI thought it could have been called too.
Why? He was still in bound. It may not have been necessary but it was not a penalty.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 02:58:38 PMThey did that last year and it worked. Good thought
Why not? The status quo is not working. And will not work.
McKinney should be cut for the effort on that
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 02:58:26 PMDidn't matter it was another check down. Why isn't he throwing beyond the marker?
Nah it was a good throw Robinson has to make that catch, no?
He's just not that good. It's apparent. Can't wait to hear all the excuses again this week
Hey Wink... can you know.. maybe get a stop for once?
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 02:59:19 PMWhy? He was still in bound. It may not have been necessary but it was not a penalty.
Agreed it was close. I wasn't mad it wasn't called.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 02:59:04 PMI dont think anyone is going to say that
Sarcasm. For 5 years now fans have been unwilling to accept an obvious reality.
This is why you need to grow some balls and go for it
Defense can't stop anyone
Lack of tackling reflects poorly on coaches
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:00:39 PMThis is why you need to grow some balls and go for it
Defense can't stop anyone
I feel for the Def. Why should they play their hearts out when they know the offense isn't going to do xxxx.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:00:10 PMMcKinney should be cut for the effort on that
Agreed he has played that way all year and screwed up on td Pass to Hill. He had over top coverage and didn't do his job
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Nice tackle by Simmons
This game is over man .... I can't remember a time we have given up so many 10 plus yard plays
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Another Intercepton!
BOBBY O!!!!!!
Tua keeping us in this game...
Gotta get 7 here
Dolphins keeping it close. Makes you wonder.
Now get the ball in the end zone
Tua has not looked good....
Most of his big plays are because our defense is giving it to him
We MUST SCORE!!!!
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 08, 2023, 03:02:26 PM.
These won't display for me, Ed. What are they pictures of?
For 5 years I watch Jones over and over give ball to a RB who is standing right next to him
Kafka.. delete the shotgun draw from your playbook please...
These refs suck. Call it both ways or don't call it!!!
I do like that we haven't abandon the run
These refs have missed numerous holds against Miami ..they catch the most slightest holds on us
Danny check down!
Again he's going check down on 3rd down. Insanely frustrating.
Wtf. Plenty of time and we settle for another check down.
Why .. whhyy
Can anyone in the Jones camp explain why he refuses to at least TRY to consistently throw the ball downfield?...compete!!!
No man go for the TD.. this is annoying .... Come on Jones ...throw it fken deep
Check down Danny strikes again
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:06:36 PMDanny check down!
And that's exactly why his completion percentage looks good because he takes the safe easy completion rather than try to make a play down field.
We he doesn't check down he throws 2 catchable balls to Waller and it get's dropped
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:04:40 PMThese won't display for me, Ed. What are they pictures of?
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:07:54 PMCan anyone in the Jones camp explain why he refuses to at least TRY to consistently throw the ball downfield?...compete!!!
For two drives now the offense line had held up and he still refuses to make any type of anticipatory throw.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:08:20 PMAnd that's exactly why his completion percentage looks good because he takes the safe easy completion rather than try to make a play down field.
That may be true but just pointing out the 10/13 stat line is misleading. The OP needs to point out the low YPA.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:06:03 PMI do like that we haven't abandon the run
I actually think we should start passing more....a lot more.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:09:15 PMFor two drives now the offense line had held up and he still refuses to make any type of anticipatory throw.
Snake bit or scared. One or the other
Will the offense score more than the defense?
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 03:10:00 PMI actually think we should start passing more....a lot more.
That's fine but then fans will complain about abandoning the run.
Yuk. I was better not seeing them. DJ and the Giants are on pace to throw for less than 2700 yards this season and they still have Dal, Phili x2 and Bud to play. That's mind-blowing inept, even if was 1959.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:08:21 PMWe he doesn't check down he throws 2 catchable balls to Waller and it get's dropped
They weren't dropped. The defender made the play on what would have been a TD.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:09:52 PMThat may be true but just pointing out the 10/13 stat line is misleading. The OP needs to point out the low YPA.
That's my point.
The effort just isn't there from the defense
Except from a few plays like okereke , Simmons etc
I really hate whatever this offensive scheme is this year. I don't know what changed from last year but it's just so vanilla and safe. No moving the pocket, no bootlegs, no screens, no QB option runs, no deep passes, no attacking the seams. It's all shotgun draw runs, slants, and checkdowns. It's absolutely pathetic.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:11:16 PMThat's fine but then fans will complain about abandoning the run.
I dont think we should abandon the run, but we should start passing deep and testing there corners
Wow #45 was held!
Already at midfield ... this is why the field goal is useless... should have went for it
Lmao bro... where is the holding ?
Who is 45 that just got steam rolled?
McKinney I want him gone
Nothing worse than a Giant team that can't play defense.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on October 08, 2023, 03:13:12 PMWho is 45 that just got steam rolled?
He was held that I saw
Never seen a defense get pushed around so much as the Giants
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I'm telling you every play is 10 plus yards
Minus the turnovers this defense is atrocious
And our offense can't take advantage of the turnovers... more atrocious
Lawrence, Williams, bad bad years so far.
Quote from: Soundwave401 on October 08, 2023, 03:12:10 PMI really hate whatever this offensive scheme is this year. I don't know what changed from last year but it's just so vanilla and safe. No moving the pocket, no bootlegs, no screens, no QB option runs, no deep passes, no attacking the seams. It's all shotgun draw runs, slants, and checkdowns. It's absolutely pathetic.
What's changed is the rest of the league has picked up on the simple offense they ran last season plus Barkley is hurt.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:11:57 PMThey weren't dropped. The defender made the play on what would have been a TD.
That's my point.
I disagree. The End Zone pass was not touched by the defended. Waller should have had 6.
Miami should keep running. We cant stop it
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:14:52 PMI disagree. The End Zone pass was not touched by the defended. Waller should have had 6.
Yes, it was go back and look at it.
No Dline effort at all
What's the impetus for the def giving max effort when they know the offense is historically inept?
This game is over
Giants d is just a bunch of pussys that do t like to get hit or hit somebody else
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Thank goodness we settled for field goals
Good coaching
We look like a Little League team playing vs. Varsity...
Wow pathetic. I really don't know who disappoints me more the O or the D...
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:15:25 PMYes, it was go back and look at it.
It was NOT defender did hold walkers left hand at one point ... he got free and the ball hit hit in both hands
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:15:25 PMYes, it was go back and look at it.
I did and it should have been a TD. It was a rare perfect pass by JOnes.
Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 08, 2023, 03:16:29 PMWe look like a Little League team playing vs. Varsity...
Can't wait to play buff coming off a loss.
Just an embarrassment with no end in sight.
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:15:59 PMThis game is over
And next week another horrible prime time game against a decent team coming off a loss.
If Jones can't score a TD then he needs to sit also. I'm getting tired of rooting so hard for this guy to succeed yet see him fail 90% of the time
This is all the way bad ..offense terrible, defense is terrible, and coaching is making dumb decisions ... before they even kicked the field goal I knew how this defense was playing and said this would be a 3 score game ... and look at it now
Wtf is Daboll thinking
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:17:10 PMI did and it should have been a TD. It was a rare perfect pass by JOnes.
It was tipped.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:17:10 PMI did and it should have been a TD. It was a rare perfect pass by JOnes.
The defender pulled Waller left forearm down to cause him to loose control of the ball. It was a perfect throw tho.
Bring in Tyrod if this drive goes poorly
I see a lot of eligible trade players available
McKinney for one Adori Jackson got anther .
Maybe can get a back up lineman from another team that will be a starter on this team
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Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:18:18 PMIt was tipped.
Dude Waller had it in his grasp... watch the replay
Only six more field goals and this one is tied up!
Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 08, 2023, 03:16:29 PMWe look like a Little League team playing vs. Varsity...
That's exactly what I was thinking
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:19:17 PMDude Waller had it in his grasp... watch the replay
He never really had it the defender made the play. Give them credit for that.
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:19:17 PMDude Waller had it in his grasp... watch the replay
And the defender pulled his arm down
My god achane is averaging over 16 yards per run lmao
Daboll and the coaching taking a serious hit in 2023. They seem like amateurs. Look at this young Dolphin coach. And yeah I know the talent isn't comparable but just no spark.
Please just go out there and sling it. Who gives a F at this point. If I see another shotgun draw to I'm going to throw a fit...
Another regime that won't last.
What the heck was that
Oh shoot that was defensive holding
Why wasn't that a hold?
Okay then.
Hyatt must be in the doghouse.
Holding on that play by defense. But why call it now
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Quote from: Messiah717 on October 08, 2023, 03:21:16 PMAnother regime that won't last.
There's a commonality; until you change that, nothing will change.
Lol how are they missing these holding calls when it comes to benefiting us lol
Take Jones out. Finally he throws deep and he can't keep it in bounds
I know punting is the safe call there but you're staring down 1-4 down 18 and its 4th and 3...
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:22:58 PMTake Jones out. Finally he throws deep and he can't keep it in bounds
There is no reason not to play Taylor. From now on in this game the QB is gonna get pounded. Let Taylor take some blows and give Jones a break. Wake up, Daboll!!!
I would pull Jones and not because he's a blatant problem but to see what TT can do. This game has slowly gotten out of hand.
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:20:31 PMMy god achane is averaging over 16 yards per run lmao
Dolphins have 501 yards of total offense at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Quote from: Ed Vette on October 08, 2023, 03:24:50 PMI would pull Jones and not because he's a blatant problem but to see what TT can do. This game has slowly gotten out of hand.
Agreed. The Giants need a change. Anther game under 175 passing yards and 18 points. We simply can't keep playing like this. We need to change something.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 03:26:02 PMDolphins have 501 yards of total offense at the end of the 3rd quarter.
Why do they need more weapons? I don't understand giving up a 2nd for Claypool.
Smart.
Tough.
Dependable.
Who on this team fits the mold?
This game was like a slow bleed
Dolphins have been dominating us but just not putting it up on the scoreboard due to turnovers
But now it's out of reach
We are about to be 1-5 and another prime time game where I go to bed pissed and can't sleep
Quote from: katkavage on October 08, 2023, 03:24:47 PMThere is no reason not to play Taylor. From now on in this game the QB is gonna get pounded. Let Taylor take some blows and give Jones a break. Wake up, Daboll!!!
Agreed. Play Taylor see if it will make a difference...why not
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Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:27:26 PMThis game was like a slow bleed
Dolphins have been dominating us but just not putting it up on the scoreboard due to turnovers
But now it's out of reach
We are about to be 1-5 and another prime time game where I go to bed pissed and can't sleep
And still the QB is not able to put ball into end zone. He's done
Banks is a good football player.
Wow we made the punt! =))
YEA BABY WE FORCED A PUNT!!!
Both coordinators must be on the hot seat.
I knew there'd be a drop off this season, tougher schedule, teams getting wise to us, but I was just looking for broad improvement......play-offs, overall record were not that relevant.
But I did not expect the arse to completely and utterly fall out of things the way they have.
I really don't know where we go from here.
We look like a team picking top five, so a QB has to be in play.
But the coaching staff?
We've looked a poorly prepared and poorly coached team, but our roster looks way, way off in terms of talent.
There's plenty blame to go round but how do we fix it?
Same old fire everyone?
Its EARLY October and I am now looking at our draft order. And as of now we draft #9 and that will change before the end of the day. Jets and Denver play today and one has to win so we will move up. SAD
Aight here comes the epic comeback!!!
Jones will be injured
That one isn't on Jones where the Left Tackle gets beat
Daboll is a fool. Sorry. Keeping Jones in is inexcusable.
That's on the coaches. Stupid asses.
Predictable. Good job, Daboll.
No need to put Jones back in. His day should be over.
Quote from: brownelvis54 on October 08, 2023, 03:31:09 PMIts EARLY October and I am now looking at our draft order. And as of now we draft #9 and that will change before the end of the day. Jets and Denver play today and one has to win so we will move up. SAD
At least it looks to be a good QB draft
Josh Ezeudu is a disgrace to the sport. He finally got our QB killed.
Jones is f-ed, hardly surprising.
We've properly David Carr-ed him.
Let's see why Tyrod can do
Neal to Ezeudu, "I don't want to take the heat today man." Ezeudu, "Don't worry man, I got your back."
I am ok with firing Schoen
Why isn't Neal playing RT!!!!???? That was his college position in college ~X(
TT going to lead us to a W!
Nice drive by Taylor thus far.
Quote from: Soundwave401 on October 08, 2023, 03:31:12 PMAight here comes the epic comeback!!!
Now they go for it on 4th? With the game basically out of reach? I don't understand this coaching.
EDIT: Not saying I'm against it, but just wildly inconsistent with choices earlier in the game when it was actually facially competitive.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:33:51 PMNice drive by Taylor thus far.
He had a dink completion , avoided a sack and scrambled for a first down
Typical Jones drive ...but now it's impressive ?
Quote from: katkavage on October 08, 2023, 03:31:39 PMDaboll is a fool. Sorry. Keeping Jones in is inexcusable.
I've never seen a head coach fall from grace so quickly. This man is clueless.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 03:33:37 PMI am ok with firing Schoen
LOL yeah fire a GM after 2 years
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on October 08, 2023, 03:34:55 PMNow they go for it on 4th? With the game basically out of reach? I don't understand this coaching.
EDIT: Not saying I'm against it, but just wildly inconsistent with choices earlier in the game when it was actually facially competitive.
They're incompetent.
Taylor had a pocket to throw then.
Good play by the D
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:35:00 PMHe had a dink completion , avoided a sack and scrambled for a first down
Typical Jones drive ...but now it's impressive ?
Did I say impressive?
Taylor looks better than Jones
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:35:52 PMLOL yeah fire a GM after 2 years
Schoen hasn't drafted a good player yet
Neck injury for jones.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:36:29 PMTaylor looks better than Jones
He doesn't but the bar really isn't high.
Neck for Jones...uh oh...
Different Qb. Same issues so far ...line sucks
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At least TT is willing to try and go downfield with his throws... I'm desperate here...
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:35:52 PMLOL yeah fire a GM after 2 years
It hurts knowing there's people worse at their job than Jones huh?
Doesn't matter who the QB is. They will get pounded. It was ridiculous to keep Jones in as long as they did. And I stated that here before Jones got hurt.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:37:50 PMDifferent Qb. Same issues so far ...line sucks
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Lol. Except Taylor just led a scoring drive on his first series of the season.
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on October 08, 2023, 03:37:26 PMHe doesn't but the bar really isn't high.
He certainly does. He looks WAY more comfortable under pressure. His eyes are downfield, scanning. He isn't looking for Checkdowns. He feels pressure.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:36:29 PMTaylor looks better than Jones
He may be. , but what is your reasoning . Same result
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Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:32:15 PMAt least it looks to be a good QB draft
Very true, although Williams is talking about returning to USC
Different QB - same offense.
Maybe some will realize that our OL is the worst in football.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:35:52 PMLOL yeah fire a GM after 2 years
He deserves a chance to build his team. This coach on the other hand doesn't impress me.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:38:51 PMHe may be. , but what is your reasoning . Same result
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It's a scoring drive. How are the results the same? Seriously man...
Quote from: sooners56 on October 08, 2023, 03:36:57 PMSchoen hasn't drafted a good player yet
We're not even two seasons into his regime. Being critical of him I get but saying he should be fired? That's extreme.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 03:38:10 PMIt hurts knowing there's people worse at their job than Jones huh?
So you acknowledge Jones is bad at his?
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:38:40 PMHe certainly does. He looks WAY more comfortable under pressure. His eyes are downfield, scanning. He isn't looking for Checkdowns. He feels pressure.
Hope you are right. We will see rest of game . But if Miami scores again. Miami defense may let up a little
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Quote from: katkavage on October 08, 2023, 03:38:34 PMDoesn't matter who the QB is. They will get pounded. It was ridiculous to keep Jones in as long as they did. And I stated that here before Jones got hurt.
The reason I have even more issue with this and I'm infuriated is because Daboll left him in when we were losing by 40 to Dallas.
So he did not learn a lesson!
Another neck injury......this could be the end of Jones.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 03:39:07 PMDifferent QB - same offense.
Maybe some will realize that our OL is the worst in football.
A back up QB in his mid 30's LOL
Quote from: Messiah717 on October 08, 2023, 03:39:20 PMHe deserves a chance to build his team. This coach on the other hand doesn't impress me.
Both should get next season before we have this talk. Can't keep replacing guys every 2 years.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:38:40 PMHe certainly does. He looks WAY more comfortable under pressure. His eyes are downfield, scanning. He isn't looking for Checkdowns. He feels pressure.
Okay, man. I'm not gonna get into it with you. I perhaps shouldn't have been been as unequivocal in my response.
To me. It's a different grade of the the same sh!t.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:39:50 PMIt's a scoring drive. How are the results the same? Seriously man...
Jones managed a couple of field goals also
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Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:40:11 PMHope you are right. We will see rest of game . But if Miami scores again. Miami defense may let up a little
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Down 2 scores and defense will let up?...I've accepted any and all Jones excuses but this preemptive one takes the cake
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:41:22 PMJones managed a couple of field goals also
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In how many drives? Seriously...
Banks is a playa.
Quote from: MagicRat on October 08, 2023, 03:40:46 PMAnother neck injury......this could be the end of Jones.
Here comes the hyperbole and overreaction!
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:38:36 PMLol. Except Taylor just led a scoring drive on his first series of the season.
Dude he had a shortened field ...
One completion short of the first down marker .. which we are accustomed to ... threw a few incompletions and ran for a first down after almost being sacked
A typical Jones drive so far .... Not many qbs can be successful when the defender is in your face after 1 second
But yes Jones has been bad... but this ONE Taylor drive is a typical Jones drive
So far nothing has changed
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:43:11 PMHere comes the hyperbole and overreaction!
Not at all, it's another neck injury, you don't F with neck injuries.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 03:39:07 PMDifferent QB - same offense.
Maybe some will realize that our OL is the worst in football.
If we are playing Tyrod, shouldn't the offense be worse, not the same?
If it is the same we shouldn't be paying DJ his big contract
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:43:11 PMHere comes the hyperbole and overreaction!
Maybe... but last time he had a cervical neck strain. If he reinjured it quite possible he's done for the year again...
Does Paris Campbell ever not fall down smh
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:45:07 PMDude he had a shortened field ...
One completion short of the first down marker .. which we are accustomed to ... threw a few incompletions and ran for a first down after almost being sacked
A typical Jones drive so far .... Not many qbs can be successful when the defender is in your face after 1 second
But yes Jones has been bad... but this ONE Taylor drive is a typical Jones drive
So far nothing has changed
Justify it to make yourself feel better. TT just moved the offense in scoring position and made a critical 4th down play. He had a nice series...not sure we need to take that from him to make ourselves feel better about DJs ineptitude. I'm not saying TT is better, just that his first series this year was a good one.
Quote from: MagicRat on October 08, 2023, 03:45:41 PMNot at all, it's another neck injury, you don't F with neck injuries.
Are you a doctor or do you just play one on the internet?
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:48:08 PMJustify it to make yourself feel better. TT just moved the offense in scoring position and made a critical 4th down play. He had a nice series...not sure we need to take that from him to make ourselves feel better about DJs ineptitude. I'm not saying TT is better, just that his first series this year was a good one.
I ADMITTED Jones has been bad
But the FACT is nothing has changed , if that was a Jones drive you would be killing him
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:48:12 PMAre you a doctor or do you just play one on the internet?
You need to be a doctor to understand how dangerous a neck injury is?
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:49:20 PMI ADMITTED Jones has been bad
But the FACT is nothing has changed , if that was a Jones drive you would be killing him
I disagree. The offense looks better now than it did in tbd prior 3 qtrs.
3rd n 3 run?
Quote from: Soundwave401 on October 08, 2023, 03:49:22 PMYou need to be a doctor to understand how dangerous a neck injury is?
No but amateurs shouldn't declare his career over by watching TV.
Good thing Robinson's career didn't end today!
I love you Sterling but you need to retire. Cost us a 1st down.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:50:17 PMI disagree. The offense looks better now than it did in tbd prior 3 qtrs.
Eh looks the same to me. What it tells me is that Jones isn't making a positive difference.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:50:17 PMI disagree. The offense looks better now than it did in tbd prior 3 qtrs.
Lmao what has changed ? Absolutely nothing
Man that drop by Shep was hideous... offense looks semi competent with TT
Jones and Taylor are comparable. That's the reality.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:50:17 PMI disagree. The offense looks better now than it did in tbd prior 3 qtrs.
Really without the d holding call Taylor took a 20 yard loss on a fourth down play
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Wow look what happens when we throw down field
Qb hangs in the pocket and makes a nice anticipatory throw; probably the first time we've seen that this year.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:53:37 PMReally without the d holding call Taylor took a 20 yard loss on a fourth down play
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I get it; reality is difficult
Tyrod throwing no check downs is a beautiful sight
Quote from: katkavage on October 08, 2023, 03:53:37 PMJones and Taylor are comparable. That's the reality.
They certainly have one thing in common
A crappy offensive line
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To me the offense looks better with Taylor. I'm sorry if this upsets anyone
Taylor has been brutalized game after game yet.
Quote from: katkavage on October 08, 2023, 03:53:37 PMJones and Taylor are comparable. That's the reality.
And that's not a good thing.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:54:52 PMThey certainly have one thing in common
A crappy offensive line
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And both aren't very good. Difference is one is a back up in his 30's the other is supposed to be a "franchise" QB who was just given a big contract.
If Taylor were to get hurt don't the new rules allow Devito to come into the game?
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:48:12 PMAre you a doctor or do you just play one on the internet?
Seriously?
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:54:52 PMThey certainly have one thing in common
A crappy offensive line
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Yet Taylor is 2 for 2 in getting the offense in scoring position. Why are you unhappy the Giants offense is moving the ball?
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 03:54:56 PMTo me the offense looks better with Taylor. I'm sorry if this upsets anyone
I get on Jones but I don't buy into it. The Dolphins have coasted in the second half and lets see Taylor after taking 100 sacks in a few games.
Prevent defense and free releases are reality too.
OL still sucks as Taylor is under constant pressure every time.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:54:52 PMThey certainly have one thing in common
A crappy offensive line
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They do. And they perform similarly. Interchangeable.
Quote from: MagicRat on October 08, 2023, 03:56:12 PMSeriously?
Yes. Too many internet armchair doctors try to evaluate a player. Let's wait to hear from his real doctors first before burying his career into the grave
I mean.. and don't get me wrong here.. but I kind of hope Jones is done for the year. Firstly if Taylor balls out we know Jones just isn't the guy. If Taylor sucks just as bad our chances at nabbing the next franchise QB are much higher. Kind of a win/win...?
3rd down run AGAIN!...fire Kafka
Terrible play calling
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Quote from: Messiah717 on October 08, 2023, 03:56:50 PMI get on Jones but I don't buy into it. The Dolphins have coasted in the second half and lets see Taylor after taking 100 sacks in a few games.
The dolphins know the giants are passing and are teeing off. Just like last week, but TT played well.
What is difference again
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Lol Taylor doing the same thing Jones is doing .... He sees the pass rush and he runs and scrambles for a first down
The offense hasn't changed
Let's be adults here
Jones has been bad ... but Taylor didn't change anything
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 03:57:02 PMPrevent defense and free releases are reality too.
OL still sucks as Taylor is under constant pressure every time.
Yet Jones looked the same way when the Dolphins were playing soft before he got hurt.
Again not a good thing. Jones should be looking a lot better.
So 2 drives against prevent defense - he led us to 3 points. What a stud lol
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 03:59:32 PMLol Taylor doing the same thing Jones is doing .... He sees the pass rush and he runs and scrambles for a first down
The offense hasn't changed
Let's be adults here
Jones has been bad ... but Taylor didn't change anything
Taylor isn't as panicky as Jones that's for sure.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 03:59:53 PMYet Jones looked the same way when the Dolphins were playing soft before he got hurt.
Again not a good thing. Jones should be looking a lot better.
You're confused. Dolphins played soft when Taylor was in. Tough for you to admit - I get it
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:00:09 PMSo 2 drives against prevent defense - he led us to 3 points. What a stud lol
Versus 6 points (3 which were off a turnover) in 3+ Quarters. What are we doing here?
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:00:09 PMSo 2 drives against prevent defense - he led us to 3 points. What a stud lol
Yea except we ain't paying him 40M for those results...
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 03:58:48 PMThe dolphins know the giants are passing and are teeing off. Just like last week, but TT played well.
I didn't say they coasted I said if Miami scored again they might let up
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Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 03:59:09 PMWhat is difference again
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I'm 3+ qtr DJ had 119 yards passing; in .25 qtrs TT had 90. The latter was objective better than the former.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:00:09 PMSo 2 drives against prevent defense - he led us to 3 points. What a stud lol
Exactly he came in down 3 scores midway through the fourth
Dolphins def playing lax because the game is in the bag
Once again this is not a good thing for Jones ....but people saying Taylor looks better are just trying to prove a point to dig into Jones
Quote from: Soundwave401 on October 08, 2023, 04:01:14 PMYea except we ain't paying him 40M for those results...
You're t paying anything
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:00:09 PMSo 2 drives against prevent defense - he led us to 3 points. What a stud lol
Prevent defense?...they have been rushing like crazy.
Let's have that Jones discussion. Because again, no TDs and 40 million. I can't wait to hear all the excuses. Truth is if Taylor or even Devito plays it will tell us ALOT about Jones moving forward.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 04:01:45 PMI'm 3+ qtr DJ had 119 yards passing; in .5 qtrs TT had 90. The latter was objective better than the former.
Yes ... down 3 scores vs a prevent defense
If it was the other way around it would be called "padding" the stats
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:00:53 PMYou're confused. Dolphins played soft when Taylor was in. Tough for you to admit - I get it
I get it your emotional Jones was awful a second week in a row.
I don't agree with others that the Giants looked better with Taylor in. What I did say is that the offense looked the same with Taylor that they did with Jones and to me that isn't a good thing. Given what the Giants paid Jones he should look much better than his back up.
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 04:02:52 PMYes ... down 3 scores vs a prevent defense
If it was the other way around it would be called "padding" the stats
You're making things up to make yourself feel better. The dolphins were not in a prevent defense.
Yup, three quarters and five minutes, to ten minutes.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:02:12 PMYou're t paying anything
Is this a serious response? We are all Giants.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:57:45 PMYes. Too many internet armchair doctors try to evaluate a player. Let's wait to hear from his real doctors first before burying his career into the grave
I dont think saying a second neck injury in a relatively short space of time could, potentially, be career inhibiting renders me an internet doctor.
I'd say it's closer to common sense.
Hopefully it's not a serious injury but you don't F with neck injuries.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 04:02:30 PMPrevent defense?...they have been rushing like crazy.
Let's have that Jones discussion. Because again, no TDs and 40 million. I can't wait to hear all the excuses. Truth is if Taylor or even Devito plays it will tell us ALOT about Jones moving forward.
Last post today
Jones could have had a td but Waller didn't make the catch .
And I for one would like to see Taylor start a game and see how it goes
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Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 04:04:36 PMYou're making things up to make yourself feel better. The dolphins were not in a prevent defense.
Dude the offense did not look better
Jones has been bad ... but Taylor did not look any better ...
That catch by Waller was nice ...but extremely behind him ... if it was Jones you would be saying how he could've had another 10+ yards if it was a better throw
Let it go
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:02:12 PMYou're t paying anything
The Giants are and that cap space takes away from addressing other needs they have.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 04:03:00 PMI get it your emotional Jones was awful a second week in a row.
I don't agree with others that the Giants looked better with Taylor in. What I did say is that the offense looked the same with Taylor that they did with Jones and to me that isn't a good thing. Given what the Giants paid Jones he should look much better than his back up.
I totally am fine with anyone disagreeing. My point t is it seems we moved the ball with less stress with Tyrod is all. With Jones everything just feels tight
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 04:06:10 PMThe Giants are and that cap space takes away from addressing other needs they have.
Didn't stop them from paying Thomas and Lawrence.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 04:01:45 PMI'm 3+ qtr DJ had 119 yards passing; in .25 qtrs TT had 90. The latter was objective better than the former.
Amazing what prevent defenses can do.
I mean I guess it was Jones fault waller dropped a TD - right?
Quote from: killarich on October 08, 2023, 04:06:06 PMDude the offense did not look better
Jones has been bad ... but Taylor did not look any better ...
That catch by Waller was nice ...but extremely behind him ... if it was Jones you would be saying how he could've had another 10+ yards if it was a better throw
Let it go
I suggest you look at Ed's post. Why does it bother you the offense was objectively better? And don't make up things like they were in a prevent defense...they weren't.
Quote from: Woody on October 08, 2023, 04:05:59 PMLast post today
Jones could have had a td but Waller didn't make the catch .
And I for one would like to see Taylor start a game and see how it goes
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I would too. And I think Taylor would produce similar results and that's a scary thing to think about. That says the Giants could get as much out of a back up in his 30's as they can their "franchise" QB.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:08:10 PMDidn't stop them from paying Thomas and Lawrence.
Stopped them from making other moves that could have helped.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:08:54 PMAmazing what prevent defenses can do.
I mean I guess it was Jones fault waller dropped a TD - right?
Jesus...you guys have no idea what you're talking about. That was not a prevent defense.
Taylor Is making Pennies
Jones is making 40 mil a year
There should be a drastic difference but there isn't that's the problem. Taylor looked better in the time given period.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 03:56:06 PMIf Taylor were to get hurt don't the new rules allow Devito to come into the game?
DeVito would have had to have been on the active roster to qualify, and also not a practice squad call up. If you want to take advantage, you need to burn a roster sport for QB3. It just means you have an extra spot on the gameday roster for QB3
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 04:10:12 PMJesus...you guys have no idea what you're talking about. That was not a prevent defense.
Yes playing 15 yards off is the exact definition of it.
I wouldn't be challenging people's knowledge of the game... lol
Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 08, 2023, 04:10:24 PMTaylor Is making Pennies
Jones is making 40 mil a year
There should be a drastic difference but there isn't that's the problem. Taylor looked better in the time given period.
Exactly. Your Franchise QB should be someone you see a noticeable difference when he's out. Today we didn't.
I am sure the ardent Taylor supporters will claim how great his longest throw to Waller was. Lol
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:08:54 PMAmazing what prevent defenses can do.
I mean I guess it was Jones fault waller dropped a TD - right?
You mean that ball that Jones didn't throw out far enough and allowed the dback to make a good play on Waller's arm?
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:11:11 PMYes playing 15 yards off is the exact definition of it.
I wouldn't be challenging people's knowledge of the game... lol
No they weren't. You're making things up; they were in a man under scheme with a dog blitz. At no time we're they in any cover shell, or prevent look, seriously you're just making things up
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 04:13:38 PMNo they weren't. You're making things up; they were in a man under scheme with a dog blitz. At no time we're they in any cover shell, or prevent look, seriously you're just making things up
Lol. Ok.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 04:07:19 PMI totally am fine with anyone disagreeing. My point t is it seems we moved the ball with less stress with Tyrod is all. With Jones everything just feels tight
Eh I disagree. To me they looked the same no better and no worse.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:13:14 PMI am sure the ardent Taylor supporters will claim how great his longest throw to Waller was. Lol
At least he tried to throw it downfield!...that's the point. Jones REFUSES!...so it was good to see the issue is more so with our QB instead of our oline or recievers
I see there are already 5+ thread created in the past 15 minutes all discussing the same thing. Can we just have 1 thread call "post all post game comments here"?
21 Carries for 46 yards for the RBs today.
How can we blame Jones for this?
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 04:14:52 PMEh I disagree. To me they looked the same no better and no worse.
Taylor went downfield with a greater frequency
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 04:15:09 PMAt least he tried to throw it downfield!...that's the point. Jones REFUSES!...so it was good to see the issue is more so with our QB instead of our oline or recievers
You mean like the dropped TD by Waller?
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:16:04 PM21 Carries for 46 yards for the RBs today.
How can we blame Jones for this?
Because he can't get the ball into the end zone when he is in the red zone
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:16:43 PMYou mean like the dropped TD by Waller?
It wasn't dropped. The defender made a play on it. Can't blame that one on anyone just credit to the opposition.
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 04:16:51 PMBecause he can't get the ball into the end zone when he is in the red zone
Lol I knew someone would blame Jones for the run game. Haha.
This is comical at this point.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:13:14 PMI am sure the ardent Taylor supporters will claim how great his longest throw to Waller was. Lol
You should be an ardent Taylor supporter as he's our Qb and did as much in .25 than jones did the whole game. You should be happy that we have life at Qb.
Just MVHO, I thought Jones's game today wasn't as bad as he usually is, but it seemed to me when Taylor entered the game he brought a certain energy to the offense that Jones just doesn't bring. The offense seemed to get to the line quicker and had a certain energy. It really didn't relate to any scores but I feel Taylor could move this offense. That is, of course, if we fire Kafka and bring in a real OC who will try and call plays that might help win a game.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:16:04 PM21 Carries for 46 yards for the RBs today.
How can we blame Jones for this?
Yeah, a Qb throwing for less than 120 yards and 0 TDs has zero culpability.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:16:43 PMYou mean like the dropped TD by Waller?
Was not a drop. Was tipped and then the defender pulled his arm down. If u want to split hairs, the ball could've been placed better
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 04:17:27 PMIt wasn't dropped. The defender made a play on it. Can't blame that one on anyone just credit to the opposition.
Both hands on the ball. Waller let the defender make a play. Good players secure it. But I know it can't be someone else's fault lol
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:18:13 PMBoth hands on the ball. Waller let the defender make a play. Good players secure it. But I know it can't be someone else's fault lol
Both hands weren't on the ball. And again it wasn't anyone's fault. It was a great play made by the defender. It happens.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:18:13 PMBoth hands on the ball. Waller let the defender make a play. Good players secure it. But I know it can't be someone else's fault lol
I just checked; it wasn't scored as a drop. Btw, why do you end every post with lol. Are you 12?
Same 5-6 posters every thread.
Have a good night. I don't need to read how the food on the flight home is his fault too lol
Quote from: Trench on October 08, 2023, 04:17:51 PMWas not a drop. Was tipped and then the defender pulled his arm down. If u want to split hairs, the ball could've been placed better
It was not tipped! It should have been a TD.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:19:57 PMSame 5-6 posters every thread.
Have a good night. I don't need to read how the food on the flight home is his fault too lol
Seriously, what's up with the lol? My 8 year old ends his text that way. This is an adult message board, it's really not needed.
Quote from: Bill Brown on October 08, 2023, 01:56:45 PMYou can bitch about the QB all you want but this TEAM cannot block and this TEAM cannot tackle. The two very basic fundamental of playing football. No team can overcome those two factors.
agree . this D not tackling well is THE biggest disappointment so far. not blocking well on offense and poor talking
long season
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Sometimes, there are good defensive plays. The defender was able to grab Waller's arm and pull it away, he's good at his job. Unless you suggest Waller should be able to curl the defender with one arm whilst falling and trying to catch a football.
Had the ball been throw more downfield, Waller has a better chance at the catch.
Quote from: TDToomer on October 08, 2023, 04:20:29 PMIt was not tipped! It should have been a TD.
Of course it should have been. It landed right in his hands. Then the defender knocked it loose.
Defense lacks gap discipline in a big way, but when they get 3 t/o' and score a TD it's tough look at anything but an offense that didn't score a TD (again).
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:23:56 PMOf course it should have been. It landed right in his hands. Then the defender knocked it loose.
So the defender made a great play? Thank you for acknowledging that and not blaming anyone.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 04:29:58 PMSo the defender made a great play? Thank you for acknowledging that and not blaming anyone.
It was a great throw tho.
Quote from: Rambo89 on October 08, 2023, 04:29:58 PMSo the defender made a great play? Thank you for acknowledging that and not blaming anyone.
Waller had a chance to make a play in a 50/50 ball. Got both hands on it. And lost it.
So like I said before - we don't have good players. Good players score there.
Thank you for proving everything I said.
How about that vaunted run game today? Jones fault, right?
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:32:10 PMWaller had a chance to make a play in a 50/50 ball. Got both hands on it. And lost it.
So like I said before - we don't have good players. Good players score there.
Thank you for proving everything I said.
How about that vaunted run game today? Jones fault, right?
How about the anemic passing game? Just gonna ignore that fact? You don't win in the modern era with a strong running game; you win with a strong passing game. Just ask the Kansas City Chiefs.
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 04:31:37 PMIt was a great throw tho.
Absolutely. I wish Jones had taken more shots like that targeting receivers down field.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:32:10 PMWaller had a chance to make a play in a 50/50 ball. Got both hands on it. And lost it.
So like I said before - we don't have good players. Good players score there.
Thank you for proving everything I said.
How about that vaunted run game today? Jones fault, right?
He lost it because it got knocked away not because he dropped it.
The Giants don't have a good QB that's for sure and you can't win in this league if you don't have one.
I get it Jones had another bad game and you want to deflect to others and ignore his play and that's fine. Better get used to the idea of Jones's time on this team winding down after the 2024 season.
Let's face it, we have 2 back up QB's. tank and let the coach and gm draft their guy, then if we continue to suck, maybe clean house again! remember, last year we easily could have won just 4 games!
Quote from: kingm56 on October 08, 2023, 04:34:10 PMHow about the anemic passing game? Just gonna ignore that fact? You don't win in the modern era with a strong running game; you win with a strong passing game. Just ask the Kansas City Chiefs.
You win with talent. The giants don't have it. Even the great chiefs ran the ball with great success. We can't run. We can't block. Our WRs are f'n awful.
Yeah I'm ok replacing Jones. But we are still gonna suck unless the talent gets immensely better. The OL has tanked in the bottom third for the last dozen years. Our defense gave up over 500 yards in 3 quarters today.
But keep focusing on ONE player. I'll bring more balance to the board by focusing on the other underperforming players.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:38:08 PMYou win with talent. The giants don't have it. Even the great chiefs ran the ball with great success. We can't run. We can't block. Our WRs are f'n awful.
Yeah I'm ok replacing Jones. But we are still gonna suck unless the talent gets immensely better. The OL has tanked in the bottom third for the last dozen years. Our defense gave up over 500 yards in 3 quarters today.
But keep focusing on ONE player. I'll bring more balance to the board by focusing on the other underperforming players.
They don't have talent at QB at least an elite one. Talent will get better once you improve the talent at that position.
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:38:08 PMYou win with talent. The giants don't have it. Even the great chiefs ran the ball with great success. We can't run. We can't block. Our WRs are f'n awful.
Yeah I'm ok replacing Jones. But we are still gonna suck unless the talent gets immensely better. The OL has tanked in the bottom third for the last dozen years. Our defense gave up over 500 yards in 3 quarters today.
But keep focusing on ONE player. I'll bring more balance to the board by focusing on the other underperforming players.
Absolutely, I wholeheartedly agree. This team lacks talent; I know you haven't been here long, but Im the poster for four years that has raised the concern regarding the lack of talent. The lack of talent is magnified when you have an average to slightly above average quarterback. In the modern NFL, that's a recipe for losing more games than you win. Last year was a complete aberration, which a few posters noted during the off-season. The Giants were unlikely to get that many bounces and enjoy injury free season among their core players again. Coaching is not going to change his paradigm either; the Giants need to fundamentally change the core group og players that have been around for the last five years. A whole new direction is required...
Quote from: JT39 on October 08, 2023, 04:32:10 PMWaller had a chance to make a play in a 50/50 ball. Got both hands on it. And lost it.
So like I said before - we don't have good players. Good players score there.
Thank you for proving everything I said.
How about that vaunted run game today? Jones fault, right?
Waller has the 3rd most yards by a tight end since 2019 so he is a good player. He just plays on a lousy offense with poor blockers who get their QB murdered and is surrounded by crappy players. Put him on the Chiefs and he is Kelce.
Maybe we can do mass hypnosis on this team so they think it's 2022 again. When they had a lot of the same players and coaches, but were actually competitive and calling plays that worked. These Giants fold like a cheap suit in the first quarter and never recover.
Quote from: allieshermanghost on October 08, 2023, 04:35:35 PMLet's face it, we have 2 back up QB's. tank and let the coach and gm draft their guy, then if we continue to suck, maybe clean house again! remember, last year we easily could have won just 4 games!
It's a myth that we ever cleaned house. Most of the scouts are still there from Gettleman's era.
https://twitter.com/bobbyskinner_/status/1711151712705167563?s=46 (https://twitter.com/bobbyskinner_/status/1711151712705167563?s=46)
4 attempts over 10 yards today. Of course his completion % was good when 15 of his 19 attempts were under 10 yards.
https://twitter.com/danschneiernfl/status/1711378962436313149?s=61 (https://twitter.com/danschneiernfl/status/1711378962436313149?s=61)
@Rambo89 there were some interesting responses to that tweet from AQ Shipley, a 12 year NFL OL...
Hey @NYGToday I understand the negativity towards Neal but before furthering the narrative maybe understand the play before posting what you "think" rather than "know". Neal has a sift on backer in empty protection which he does. This is all on Jones. Needs to throw hot!
What does that even mean. Plays are designed with protection rules. It doesnt matter if no one is open. If you have 5 in protection and they bring 6 then you are hot and therefore need to throw hot to someone or throw away so you dont take sack. That is how plays work. You always want to leave the widest because he will take longest to get to qb.
Also just so you know thats how every protection is. Back has his responsibility and line has theres. If back is out on route the line has them "all" if more come than you have lineman ball has to get out quick and one of the lineman will have to sift inside and leave the widest unblocked.
The qb always has something built in if they bring more to either side than can protect.