https://x.com/NFL/status/1775539901993234763?s=20
and it appears a little more
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1775539055641428130?s=20
I think it was just a matter of time before this happened. Diggs seemed to be disgruntled for the past couple of off seasons.
Quote from: ozzie on April 03, 2024, 11:35:59 AMI think it was just a matter of time before this happened. Diggs seemed to be disgruntled for the past couple of off seasons.
Has the Bills' Super Bowl window shut?
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 03, 2024, 11:36:59 AMHas the Bills' Super Bowl window shut?
And probably nailed for the next few years.
What a waste of a generational QB.
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Diggs disappeared in a major way down the stretch last year. Not sure if it was age, injury, he was in a bad headspace or what- but he was not the same player in the 2nd half of the season last year. This move doesn't surprise me too much. Bills now major players at the WR position in the draft (I'm sure this was also part of the calculus for them as the WR spot is STACKED in this draft, top to bottom IMO).
Well...that sucks for the Bills. They are gonna be pretty desperate for a WR though, and Schoen I assume knows a few people running around that building, so if the Giants are looking to trade down they could get quite a haul including future 1st round pick or picks.
Unlikely the Giants would go that far back in the 1st round obviously, however, if they don't think there's much of a difference between QB4 (whether it's McCarthy or Maye) and guys like Penix/Nix they could very likely end up with Penix/Nix at #28 and get a bunch of other stuff from the Bills in the process.
This draft is loaded at wide receivers with good starters likely to be found as late as the third round. I wouldn't write the Bills off just yet.
https://x.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1775546570446106891?s=20
This upcoming draft is supposed to be a strong one of WR's, even past the first 3 or 4 names. I don't think Buffalo will have a problem finding a good one.
https://x.com/JustinPenik/status/1775555286901707180?s=20
https://x.com/NextGenStats/status/1775554400943267915?s=20
https://x.com/NextGenStats/status/1775554406806860174?s=20
https://x.com/bykevinclark/status/1775539856581484953?s=20
https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1775558738058903982?s=20
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I get the Syracuse news, and the sports section on the NFL is 90% Bill, 10% the rest of the NFL. They have been saying that "due to getting under the cap, some BIG decisions must be made". I think this is the biggest and it's all about balancing finances
Diiggs is disgruntled for a reason. Someone in the organization dropped all those lies on him last year among other things.
Looks like the Texans got a steal
Bills reduce their payroll substantially and likely get a top WR for Allen in 1st or 2nd round. This is about managing their budget.
Strange, I was told that a franchise QB should be able to overcome mediocre receivers and a bad OL,and yet here the loss of a receiver is treated as the death knell of the Bill's hopes.
https://x.com/VSiNLive/status/1775573598410813846?s=20
When I first saw this, i said, where the hell were the Giants? But then I see he's got four years and 75 mil left on his contract......and he's already 30. Just as glad he's going elsewhere.
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Couldn't we have matched that deal ? And then with the 6th pick we could draft Bowers , Ault , anoter wide receiver , Murphy from Texas , a QB
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 03, 2024, 12:09:56 PMhttps://x.com/MoveTheSticks/status/1775546570446106891?s=20
Are we sure QBs elevate WRs? Mahomes couldn't elevate Ritchie James nor Kadarius Toney.
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on April 03, 2024, 02:12:57 PMCouldn't we have matched that deal ? And then with the 6th pick we could draft Bowers , Ault , anoter wide receiver , Murphy from Texas , a QB
We couldn't match that because we don't have the CAP space. I know some fans ignore the CAP (not saying you're one of them) and say that is something for the team to deal with, but the reality the CAP is real and ignoring it greatly limits the reality of fan suggestions if not taken into account.
I don't mind this trade for the Bills at all. Diggs turns 31 during this upcoming season, which is up there for a receiver. He showed signs of decline last year, and he was also a pain in the neck during the season.
This draft is loaded for receivers. There will be good ones throughout the second round.
As for whether the Bills' SB window is closed, my answer to that would be no. They wouldn't be one of my top three picks to win it this year, but when you have a QB like Allen you're never out of the picture completely. I am not saying Allen is as good as Mahomes, because he's not, but people acted like the Chiefs were screwed when they traded Hill (who is a lot better than Diggs), and it didn't matter. The only one the subsequent two Super Bowls. I'm not saying the two situations are the same, but I think having a top 3 or 4 QB in the league in the teeth of his prime is gold, so the Bills will remain a contender IMO.
So glad he didn't go to the Cowgirls.
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The Bills finally traded away a WR for picks rather than the opposite. I guess they had to with Allen's 63 million dollar cap hit coming up in a couple of years. For whatever reason the Allen -Diggs connection while still prolific, declined in terms of completion %.
I get the impression the trade might have been more due to Diggs issues with the team, which makes me wonder why the Texans felt the need to bring in a 30 year old WR when they have 2 young guys on the cheap.
Will be interesting to see if he is satisfied if he doesnt get 150+ targets like he did Buffalo.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 03, 2024, 11:36:59 AMHas the Bills' Super Bowl window shut?
Not even close. The draft is loaded at WR. They could draft one at 23 and have him for 5 years cheap. I would rather have the Bills problem than the Giants right now
https://x.com/jefepil/status/1775541638636413003?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on April 03, 2024, 05:02:59 PMI don't mind this trade for the Bills at all. Diggs turns 31 during this upcoming season, which is up there for a receiver. He showed signs of decline last year, and he was also a pain in the neck during the season.
This draft is loaded for receivers. There will be good ones throughout the second round.
As for whether the Bills' SB window is closed, my answer to that would be no. They wouldn't be one of my top three picks to win it this year, but when you have a QB like Allen you're never out of the picture completely. I am not saying Allen is as good as Mahomes, because he's not, but people acted like the Chiefs were screwed when they traded Hill (who is a lot better than Diggs), and it didn't matter. The only one the subsequent two Super Bowls. I'm not saying the two situations are the same, but I think having a top 3 or 4 QB in the league in the teeth of his prime is gold, so the Bills will remain a contender IMO.
I live in Buffalo and think the same - it's a good move. Allen is the franchise and there will be a revolving door of a supporting cast over his 15 years or so tenure. Diggs was no longer part of the future, I will keep replaying the KC drop in my mind. After complaining about not getting the ball. We will get a more physical and versatile WR this draft and on a rookie contract. It's just the dead cap that hurts, but next spring that's gone.
Thanks to Diggs for an awesome run and he was great with the fans, kids especially. Just the reality of the business. I don't think 2024 is The Bills' year, but the next chapter in the Allen saga begins. I think a trade-up could happen and did think about The Giants.
Take a look at his stats as last year went along and tell me if this wasn't a GREAT move by the Bills.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 03, 2024, 04:09:24 PMWe couldn't match that because we don't have the CAP space. I know some fans ignore the CAP (not saying you're one of them) and say that is something for the team to deal with, but the reality the CAP is real and ignoring it greatly limits the reality of fan suggestions if not taken into account.
You are correct . It was a knee jerk reaction on my part.
Quote from: AZGiantFan on April 03, 2024, 01:22:44 PMStrange, I was told that a franchise QB should be able to overcome mediocre receivers and a bad OL,and yet here the loss of a receiver is treated as the death knell of the Bill's hopes.
What's strange is the false equivalency. The fans who believe elite QB(s} can overcome their surroundings view this trade as logical. Ironically, it's the fans who believe a QB's success is predicated on elite WRs that view this trade as a "death knell." It's the same crew who told us Mahomes would suffer without Hill. To that point, the sarcasm is really lost on me...
As long as Josh Allen is healthy, the Bill will be competitive.
Quote from: kingm56 on April 04, 2024, 08:13:16 AMWhat's strange is the false equivalency. The fans who believe elite QB(s} can overcome their surroundings view this trade as logical. Ironically, it's the fans who believe a QB's success is predicated on elite WRs that view this trade as a "death knell." It's the same crew who told us Mahomes would suffer without Hill. To that point, the sarcasm is really lost on me...
As long as Josh Allen is healthy, the Bill will be competitive.
Now talking of "false", Mahommes still had Travis Kelcy. Mahommes when from two elite receiving targets down to one (which is what most successful QBs have to work with).
https://x.com/AnnieAgar/status/1775541492825649366?s=20
Don't discount both Dawson Knox and Dalton Kincaid at TE position- both really good receiving threats. James Cook out of the backfield is also a weapon. I'm of the mindset that Josh is gonna be fine as long as they add 1 or 2 more young WRs to the mix- in fact if they wind up with one of the better WRs in the draft I wouldn't be shocked if they win OROY- the situation would certainly be ripe in Buffalo for it (Diggs takes a TON of targets in that offense- even if he wasn't efficient with them at all down the stretch).
Quote from: brownelvis54 on April 03, 2024, 08:14:30 PMNot even close. The draft is loaded at WR. They could draft one at 23 and have him for 5 years cheap. I would rather have the Bills problem than the Giants right now
Actually, they draft 28. After the first 3 WRs are gone the closest thing to sure things will be gone. The Bills could draft a WR at 28 and he might be good, but it's far from certain he would be as good as Diggs.
I wouldn't put too much stock into Diggs' latter half of the year stats. The Bills changed offensive coordinator after firing Ken Dorsey and the new gameplans and playbook clearly deprioritized Diggs. That said, the team won a LOT more under that offense. Feels like wins all around to me. Bills get something for a player who was disgruntled and potentially no longer a fit and free up cap dollars. Texans get a good wideout for minimal draft capital.
Rick Spielman knows what it's like to trade Stefon Diggs firsthand. The former Vikings GM talks to Charles Davis about why he traded the star wide receiver in 2020 and how the pressure has increased on Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/pressure-rising-on-josh-allen-after-stefon-diggs-trade/
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 04, 2024, 10:45:49 AMRick Spielman knows what it's like to trade Stefon Diggs firsthand. The former Vikings GM talks to Charles Davis about why he traded the star wide receiver in 2020 and how the pressure has increased on Buffalo Bills QB Josh Allen.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/pressure-rising-on-josh-allen-after-stefon-diggs-trade/
This one certainly turned out well for the Vikings and Spielman
Quote from: uconnjack8 on April 04, 2024, 10:53:38 AMThis one certainly turned out well for the Vikings and Spielman
I think it's fair that it turned out reasonably well for the Bills as well. Diggs helped Josh Allen take his game to the next level.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 04, 2024, 11:01:30 AMI think it's fair that it turned out reasonably well for the Bills as well. Diggs helped Josh Allen take his game to the next level.
I think Jefferson would have done the same, just at a fraction of the price. I get the Bills wanted a proven WR and were in win now mode. Diggs was super productive for them too.
https://x.com/AndrewBrandt/status/1775855331093905571?s=20
It would have cost them 19mm to keep him this year and instead they got hit with a 31mm dead cap hit. If they cut him in 2025, there would have not been any dead cap hit. Do ya think they wanted him the hell out?
Quote from: Ed Vette on April 04, 2024, 01:11:25 PMIt would have cost them 19mm to keep him this year and instead they got hit with a 31mm dead cap hit. If they cut him in 2025, there would have not been any dead cap hit. Do ya think they wanted him the hell out?
I was looking at that and assumed it had to do with them trading him and bonuses being do on this year's cap. Thought if he stayed in Buffalo or might have looked different.
Regardless, there was smoke last year about him wanting out.
I think this works for both teams. The Bills shed salary and drama. The Texans get another weapon for Stroud - and they can probably swallow the drama for a year or two.
Interesting that it's had a seismic shift on their superbowl odds - Diggs isn't that good a WR.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 04, 2024, 10:27:16 AMActually, they draft 28. After the first 3 WRs are gone the closest thing to sure things will be gone. The Bills could draft a WR at 28 and he might be good, but it's far from certain he would be as good as Diggs.
Not true. One of the surest things in this draft is Ladd McConkey.