1. Marvin Harrison Jr., WR Ohio St
2. Malik Nabers, WR LSU
3. Rome Odunze, WR Washington
4. Drake Maye, QB North Carolina
5. J.J. McCarthy, QB Michigan
6. Michael Penix, Jr., QB Washington
7. Tyrice Knight, LB UTEP
8. Adisa Isaac, Edge Penn State
9. Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama
10. Khristian Boyd, DT Northern Iowa
11. Joe Alt, OT Notre Dame
12. Chau Smith-Wade, CB Washington St
13. Chop Robinson, Edge Penn St
14. Max Melton, CB Rutgers
15. Theo Johnson, TE Penn State
16. Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky
17. Giovanni Manu, OT Univ of British Columbia
18. Evan Williams, DB Oregon
19. Jayden Daniels, QB LSU
20. Trey Benson, RB Florida St
21. Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St
22. Maason Smith, DT LSU
23. G Cooper Beebe Kansas State Wildcats;
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=645351
I like Maason Smith of LSU. Big bodied 3 tech. Very big body.
Can add G Cooper Beebe per Ian Rapoport.
https://x.com/JustinPenik/status/1778837380612358360
If the Giants went WR in round 1 and then drafted Troy Benson round 2 that would be pretty exciting.
It doesn't seem the FO is interested in investing in the offensive line. Pretty safe to assume (and yeah, I know what "assume" stands for), the most interest in the Giants are QB, WR, CB, EDGE, and DT
Offense seems a little lower on the priority list with only WR being highly targeted and a spattering of TE,RB,OT,and OG. The interest in QBs is probably smoke and doing their due diligence. And OT Giovanni Manu (who has only worked the left side of the line) is a long way from being NFL ready. He's a freak athlete (6'7+"/355lbs, ran a 4.98), but a long term project...probably a UDFA
QB 4
WR 3
CB 3
EDGE 3
TE 2
DT 2
OT 2
RB 1
LB 1
DB 1
OG 1
23
Tell-tale sign: since the Giants (so far anyway), have only had visits with 3 WRs (the crème de la crème), it sure seems they aren't thinking of trading down and then going after the 2nd tier WRs. My guess: they will take the best WR still on the board at 6!
https://x.com/JustinPenik/status/1779318910694703129
It seems to me the Giants end up drafting 2-3 players from these visits.
I have no doubt it will be the 6th pick of QB or WR.
I can see two more coming from some combo of Benson, Melton and Beebe.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 14, 2024, 09:05:24 AMIt seems to me the Giants end up drafting 2-3 players from these visits.
I have no doubt it will be the 6th pick of QB or WR.
I can see two more coming from some combo of Benson, Melton and Beebe.
I would love to see the Giants draft CB Melton. I heard him on NFL radio; he is well-spoken
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 14, 2024, 09:10:04 AMI would love to see the Giants draft CB Melton. I heard him on NFL radio; he is well-spoken
They almost always draft a couple of local kids.
I've been saying for years that the Giants should draft more players out of the University of British Columbia. Glad to see it finally happening.
The Giants a top RB to have in a rotation. Benson makes a lot of sense.
Quote from: Philosophers on April 13, 2024, 08:30:33 AMIf the Giants went WR in round 1 and then drafted Troy Benson round 2 that would be pretty exciting.
Yeah, if the WR can hand if off or throw it to himself or Benson Could play QB to a very high level.
We need a QB. Anything else is moving deckchairs while we sink.
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What we need and what we can get rarely align in life.
Even if they are as aggressive as they can be the Giants will be extraordinarily lucky to come out of this with a QB who makes a difference.
Best case scenario they will get the 4th QB taken. Who knows how they will do? If they cannot swing that trade they might take a QB day two but they might well be on QB7 or 8 as Nix and Penix may well be gone.
Our odds of finding the QB who liberates us from QB hell in this draft are very low. I know people do not want to hear this.
Quote from: londonblue on April 15, 2024, 07:16:19 AMWhat we need and what we can get rarely align in life.
Even if they are as aggressive as they can be the Giants will be extraordinarily lucky to come out of this with a QB who makes a difference.
Best case scenario they will get the 4th QB taken. Who knows how they will do? If they cannot swing that trade they might take a QB day two but they might well be on QB7 or 8 as Nix and Penix may well be gone.
Our odds of finding the QB who liberates us from QB hell in this draft are very low. I know people do not want to hear this.
We MUST get a quarterback, which may be the most dangerous mindset in the NFL. I think part of the reason there is such a high QB bust rate is that too many teams fall into that "we must get ourselves an elite QB" trap.
That desperation leads to teams overvaluing quarterback prospects and overlooking the reality that their team is ill-prepared to draft and develop a quarterback.
I think if we were realistic, Caleb Williams would be the only elite quarterback prospect in this draft (if we ignore the character/leadership concerns). Beyond that, you are just buying QB lottery tickets (with varying long odds) hoping to hit it big.
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Giants will host Colorado State CB Chigozie Anusiem on a pre-draft "30" visit this week, per source. Anusiem is a late-round prospect reminiscent of Tre Hawkins, who the Giants took in the sixth round last year after a pre-draft visit.
Anusiem wasn't invited to the combine, but has been drawing interest since running a 4.39 40 at Colorado State's pro day at 6-1, 200 pounds. The Giants will be Anusiem's seventh pre-draft visit. The deadline for visits is Wednesday.
https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1779861267034833131
Per Raanan:
Arizona OT Jordan Morgan is visiting the #Giants on Tuesday, per source. Also visited with the #Jets and the #Commanders on deck.
Morgan is a potential late first-round prospect. Would likely involve the Giants moving around to land him. They currently pick sixth and 47th.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 14, 2024, 09:10:04 AMI would love to see the Giants draft CB Melton. I heard him on NFL radio; he is well-spoken
Are they starting a debate team?
Quote from: londonblue on April 15, 2024, 10:34:03 AMPer Raanan:
Arizona OT Jordan Morgan is visiting the #Giants on Tuesday, per source. Also visited with the #Jets and the #Commanders on deck.
Morgan is a potential late first-round prospect. Would likely involve the Giants moving around to land him. They currently pick sixth and 47th.
I love Morgan. Moves like a TE. Ki ks out quickly. Opposite of Neal. They won't trade for him but if he is there at 47 he may be a target.
Quote from: coggs on April 15, 2024, 11:19:58 AMAre they starting a debate team?
Are you assuming I haven't heard any scouting reports? Here is a report from Greg Cosell, one of my favorites
NFL TRANSITION
Melton has extensive experience playing outside and the slot, and that positively impacts his projection and transition to the next level, with outside-inside versatility a desired trait. Melton showed quick, sudden feet and movement and loose fluid hips, allowing for easy transitions and direction changes.
What consistently stood out was his aggressiveness and competitiveness in playing mirror match and physical press man coverage, in addition to his willingness to play the run with physicality.
Two areas of concern with Melton in press coverage are his tendency to lose contact with the receiver at the top of the route and an inability to stop when matching vertical releases, resulting in overrunning break points on intermediate routes.
Even though Melton has the athletic traits with his quick feet and significant snaps through his tape of playing press man effectively, some might see him better transitioning to the next level as more of a predominant off-coverage corner with his excellent plant-and-drive ability.
The bottom line with Melton is that he is a higher-level traits prospect who can play press man and off-coverage. Even though he is not quite as big as you'd like, he can play on the outside. Still, he also has extensive experience playing in the slot, and it would not surprise me if teams project him there more.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/max-melton-2024-nfl-draft-combine-results-scouting-report-for-rutgers-cb/
Melton would be a great pick in round 2 and would solidify a secondary in need of some help
MAX MELTON'S 2024 NFL COMBINE RESULTS
Height: 5-foot-11
Weight: 187
40-yard dash:4.39
10-yard split: 1.51
20-yard shuttle: 4.29 (pro day)
Vertical jump: 40.5"
Broad jump: 11-foot-4
Arm length: 32"
The latest 30 visit is Virginia Tech DE/DT Pheldarius Payne per Ryan Fowler and others. A later day 3 option for 3T compared to R1 Johnny Newton who has also been reported.
https://x.com/jordanraanan/status/1780337419386024218?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
https://x.com/dduggan21/status/1780324451642376294?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1780599360511951279
1 Drake Maye, QB North Carolina
2 J.J. McCarthy, QB Michigan
3 Michael Penix, Jr., QB Washington
4 Jayden Daniels, QB LSU
5 Bo Nix, QB Oregon
6.Spencer Rattler, QB SouthCarolina
7 Marvin Harrison Jr., WR Ohio St
8 Malik Nabers, WR LSU
9 Rome Odunze, WR Washington
10 Trey Benson, RB Florida St
11 Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St
12 Theo Johnson, TE Penn St
13 Joe Alt, OT Notre Dame
14 Giovanni Manu, OT Univ of British Columbia
15 Cooper Beebe, OG Kansas St
16 Jordan Morgan, OL Arizona
17 Adisa Isaac, Edge Penn State
18 Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama
19 Chop Robinson, Edge Penn State
20 Kristian Boyd, DT Northern Iowa
21 Maason Smith, DT LSU
22 Jer'Zhan (Johnny) Newton, DT Illinois
23 Pheldarius Payne, DT Virginia Tech
24 Tyrice Knight, LB UTEP
25 Chau Smith-Wade, CB Washington St
26 Max Melton, CB Rutgers
27 Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky
28 Evan Williams, DB Oregon
29 Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Alabama
30 Chigozie Anusiem, CB Colorado St
Mighty, I believe the Rutgers and Penn St guys were local visit day with the possible exception of Isaac who I think came in separately. Hicks should be on there as a 30. As always we will never know exactly but you are doing a great job trying to track it so thank you!
I find it interesting that neither Kris Jenkins from Michigan or Michael Hall from Ohio St (both 3 tech DTs) were not invited for a visit.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 17, 2024, 11:41:38 AMNote: To save typing, I labeled hi 1st round players AND mid 1st round players "1st"
1 Drake Maye, QB North Carolina --- 1st
2 J.J. McCarthy, QB Michigan --- lo 1st to hi 2nd
3 Michael Penix, Jr., QB Washington --- lo 2nd to hi 3rd
4 Jayden Daniels, QB LSU --- 1st
5 Bo Nix, QB Oregon --- mid 2nd to hi 3rd
6.Spencer Rattler, QB SouthCarolina --- mid 3rd
7 Marvin Harrison Jr., WR Ohio St --- 1st
8 Malik Nabers, WR LSU --- 1st
9 Rome Odunze, WR Washington --- 1st
10 Trey Benson, RB Florida St --- mid 3rd
11 Ben Sinnott, TE Kansas St --- mid 4th
12 Theo Johnson, TE Penn St --- mid 3rd
13 Joe Alt, OT Notre Dame --- 1st
14 Giovanni Manu, OT Univ of British Columbia --- (not on Brugler's big board)
15 Cooper Beebe, OG Kansas St --- mid 2nd
16 Jordan Morgan, OL Arizona --- lo 1st to hi 2nd
17 Adisa Isaac, Edge Penn State --- lo 2nd to hi 3rd
18 Dallas Turner, Edge Alabama --- 1st
19 Chop Robinson, Edge Penn State --- lo 1st to hi 2nd
20 Kristian Boyd, DT Northern Iowa --- mid 6th
21 Maason Smith, DT LSU --- lo 2nd to hi 3rd
22 Jer'Zhan (Johnny) Newton, DT Illinois --- lo 1st to hi 2nd
23 Pheldarius Payne, DT Virginia Tech --- (not on Brugler's big board)
24 Tyrice Knight, LB UTEP --- lo 5th to hi 6th
25 Chau Smith-Wade, CB Washington St --- mid 6th
26 Max Melton, CB Rutgers --- lo 2nd to hi 3rd
27 Andru Phillips, CB Kentucky --- lo 2nd to hi 3rd
28 Evan Williams, DB Oregon --- lo 5th to hi 6th
29 Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Alabama --- lo 1st to hi 2nd
30 Chigozie Anusiem, CB Colorado St --- mid to lo 7th
Above, I've (hopefully) added value to the list by showing the round in which Brugler wouldn't be surprised to see each guy being selected.
This combo chart is a very good guide to, or indicator of, which positions Giants will look at in various rounds.,
It also (obviously) shows where in the draft they intend to emphasize defense (same for offense).
Bob
Quote from: Bob In PA on April 17, 2024, 01:25:41 PMAbove, I've (hopefully) added value to the list by showing the round in which Brugler has each guy going.
This combo chart is a very good guide to, or indicator of, which positions Giants will look at in various rounds.,
It also (obviously) shows where in the draft they intend to emphasize defense (same for offense).
Bob
I really appreciate the idea and effort, Bob. You added real value.
One small correction: those rounds are Brugler's player grade, not where he thinks they will be drafted.
Quote from: MightyGiants on April 17, 2024, 03:07:57 PMI really appreciate the idea and effort, Bob. You added real value.
One small correction: those rounds are Brugler's player grade, not where he thinks they will be drafted.
Rich: I understand what you mean but I follow him player-by-player, all the way through each round every year and he has an incredible accuracy rate. Absent a crazy "run" on a particular position (which no one can forecast) he is as dead-on as humanly possible, IMO, so I just treat his chart as though he's making predictions, and any pick at a level lower than he has them listed as a steal. Bob
PS. I made a slight adjustment to one of the sentences in my post to make it "lean" in a direction more reflective of what you're talking about.
https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1780961573814542802
https://x.com/art_stapleton/status/1781330786064478362
Talkin' Giants
@TalkinGiants
Giants Reported Top 30 Visits
QB Drake Maye
QB Jayden Daniels
QB JJ McCarthy
QB Bo Nix
QB Michael Penix Jr.
QB Spencer Rattler
RB Trey Benson
WR Marvin Harrison Jr.
WR Malik Nabers
WR Rome Odunze
WR TJ Palmer
TE Ben Sinnott
OL Joe Alt
OG Cooper Beebe
OT Jordan Morgan
OT Goivanni Manu
CB Kool-Aid McKinstry
CB Andru Phillips
CB Chigozie Anusiem
CB Chau Smith-Wade
Edge Dallas Turner
Edge Adisa Isaac
DT Johnny Newton
DT Maason Smith
DT Pheldarius Payne
DT Kristian Boyd
LB Tyrice Knight
S Jaden Hicks
*Theo Johnson, Max Melton, Chop Robinson visited and others may have been Local Day visits.
*Possible that OT Patrick Paul & RB Audric Estime visited as well
First time I've heard the Giants' interest in a WR outside the top three. Bigass hands and strong. Had to look up this TJ Palmer guy. Seems to be an under-the-radar type guy for a late round pick, ranked 420th in this year's WR class - maybe the Rodney Dangerfield of WRs. Sounds like a great athlete that is also a project for down the road :-??
(https://i.postimg.cc/dtfZ5Dkr/Palmer.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
My WR sleeper pick is Jalen Coker from small school Holy Cross https://spectrumnews1.com/ma/worcester/news/2024/03/22/coker-ready-for-nfl-draft
Dan Duggan
@DDuggan21
Breaking down the Giants' pre-draft visitors into four tiers (with local visits included):
• No. 6 targets: QB Jayden Daniels, QB Drake Maye, QB JJ McCarthy, WR Marvin Harrison Jr., WR Malik Nabers, WR Rome Odunze, OT Joe Alt.
• Second-round targets/first-round prospects who could slide: QB Bo Nix, OL Jordan Morgan, OG Cooper Beebe, DL Johnny Newton, Edge Chop Robinson, CB Kool-Aid McKinstry, CB Max Melton, S Jaden Hicks.
• Mid-round targets: QB Spencer Rattler, RB. Trey Benson, RB Audric Estime, TE Ben Sinnott, TE Theo Johnson, OT Patrick Paul, DT Maason Smith, Edge Adisa Isaac, Edge Mo Kamara, CB Andru Phillips.
• Late-round fliers/potential UDFAs that they used the visit to start recruiting: WR Tejhaun Palmer, OT Giovanni Manu, DT Khristian Boyd, DE Pheldarius Payne, LB Tyrice Knight, CB Chigozie Anusiem.
Full breakdown of the visits here: https://theathletic.com/5436948/2024/04/23/new-york-giants-nfl-draft-2024-visits/
https://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1782841456064872780