Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Topshelf21 on Today at 10:37:06 AMFailure on both ends.

Stupid play call. Trying to be too cute or the smartest guy in the room.

DJ has to make that play as well.

It seems like Daboll is reaching at every crucial moment that makes the mountain to climb that much steeper to being a good team.

Top: The first job for any QB is to know the situation. It was short yardage.  The last thing you do is take a sack, which eliminates the ability to go for it on fourth down.  THAT was why Daboll's call was not dumb. They still could have gone for it on fourth down. As for Jones, well, I think I've seen enough. Bob

Quote from: Trench on Today at 09:48:11 AMI'd have to look again but it appeared he was really being held and couldn't lift the arm up??

Trench: He was being held, but re-watch it. After the defender let go, Hyatt still had enough time to lift his arm and, if he had kept running it was a long, long TD. Instead, IMO, he chose to "settle for" causing a penalty. That is the stuff of losing teams. Bob

Quote from: Trench on Today at 09:38:05 AMHyatt!...good job!

Trench: Disagree. IMO it was a BAD JOB.  All he had to do was lift his back arm (the right arm) over the defenders and he would have wound up in the end zone. It was a good job to get open and draw a penalty, but a terrible job not making the most of the play.  Also, Jones missing a wide-open man was just as bad. Bob

Whoop-dee-do.

Quote from: Bob In PA on November 01, 2024, 02:51:24 PMChris: Not until we're mathematically eliminated. lol

Quote from: babywhales on November 01, 2024, 02:29:39 PMJust good enough to stay in a game and bad enough to lose it.

Bob- Time to change your quote

Chris: In mu first response to this, I forgot to add my quote below doesn't say "with the Giants." 

Too many unknowns at this point to try to unwind this year's version of the Gordian Knot. Bob

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 08, 2024, 08:10:00 AMHe also knew he needed more experience so he didn't declare last year and stayed another season. That's maturity.

Ed: .... or it's listening to his dad.  By the way, that is one of the aspects of picking him that worries me (recall our former CB whose name I can't remember whose mom seemed to be meddling in his career). Bob

Quote from: Ed Vette on November 07, 2024, 02:00:15 PMI like Sanders QB play a lot. He's up there with Daniels and Calib.

Ed: Yeah, but he'd be a much scarier pick (for me) than Daniels. Anyway, as I think you will agree, he's not the type of guy the Giants like to pick, no matter how desperate they are. Great arm and could approach the Mahomes level... or just prove to be a real pain-in-the-butt. Great improvisational qualities, IMO better than Daniels. Rocket arm. Never-quit attitude (like his dad). Bob

Quote from: T200 on November 07, 2024, 08:06:13 AMYes, we want to have depth but no one could have foreseen the line playing like five Neals after the Thomas injury. It definitely was a blow to their chemistry but it shouldn't have resulted in catastrophic play. However, I do think they will bounce back. I don't know what the answer is at LT but I expect them to do better.

Tim: True, but you have to consider how much they needed to change when Thomas went down.

He was the one guy for whom the individual game plan consisted of... "Andrew, you'll be responsible for [insert name of opponent's right-side pass-rusher here] and you will never have any help under any circumstances. For the rest of the guys, the responsibilities change (in at least a minor way) depending on the individual strengths and weaknesses of the opponent.

In other words, after he went down, the amount of work needed to prepare each week increased by about 25 percent.  The complexity of the game-plan also increased proportionately. The added amount of preparation simply disrupted things which (up until that time) were fairly well-settled.

Bob

Quote from: MightyGiants on November 06, 2024, 09:36:20 AMThe Dolphins and Titans miss that list with 2-6 records.

I don't recall a recent NFL season with so many bad teams.  Not good for the Giants in terms of where they will eventually be picking in the draft (not that this upcoming draft looks to be a particularly good one).

If anyone reads this, I'd like to hear which of the 2-7 teams is "best" and which is the "worst."


So far, this is the season of "haves" and the have-nots. 

I fear players EARLIER AND EARLIER EACH YEAR give up trying. Most are used to winning a lot in college and react poorly (and with a combination of envy and jealousy) to not being on one of the currently good teams. That attitude IMO doesn't bode well for over-all quality of NFL teams, at least in the near future. As a result, every year they drift nearer to epitomizing the slanderous view some fans have of professional ball players in general (spoiled millionaires).

Bob

@Ed Vette and @T200 I agree with both of your responses immediately above this. Bob

Quote from: T200 on November 05, 2024, 10:34:59 AMBob,

He throws to Slayton and Robinson on the regular. If trust is the issue, he doesn't trust himself to make the right play. Instead, he plays it safe to minimize mistakes.

Tim: I don't see it quite that way.

It's a different type of trust to throw short passes (i.e., you know the guy will be where he's supposed to be and you and he are on-the-same-page regarding analysis of "choice" routes, which means you both see the field the same way.

Throwing the ball long requires trust that the guys will (1) see the ball all the way; (2) adjust his speed and orientation on the field to be in near enough to catch it when it comes down; and (3) most importantly, he'll fight for the ball, and if he can't win the fight he'll do everything possible to keep the defender from catching it (like a DB would).

Bob

@MightyGiants  Rich: I accidentally deleted your post.  Sorry about that.  Bob

Quote from: sooners56 on November 05, 2024, 12:30:23 PMSame question I had. Play through the whistle is what one of the old head referees said while on with the commentators. I have never heard that. Playing through the whistle could cause ruckus.

Yes, I agree completely. Play through the whistle (as long as it doesn't involve committing a penalty). Bob

Quote from: 4 Aces on November 05, 2024, 09:58:01 AMI haven't watched much Chiefs football but they have arguably the best defense in the league. Spags is really good when he has his pieces in place, and he does.

The other thing that jumps out is the Michael Jordan treatment they get with the officials. The Giants get screwed every week by the officials, while the Chiefs seem to get every call when they need it. It's part of the reason I rarely consume NFL football unless the Giants are playing. Crooked league.

Aces: I call it the Larry Byrd rule. lol