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Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 09:56:29 PMBut Daniel Jones did work in his first season in 2019

24 TDs to 12 Int's in 13 games

He also worked again in 2022

3900 total yards 22 TD's 5 Int 93.2 RTG 60.6 QBR ranked top six

So, it hasn't been the same thing over and over again with the same results.

Plus making playoffs and a playoff win.

Daboll and Schoen made the right decision.

They drafted an elite WR and improved the O line a bit.

Your may be in a select minority of 30 fans that think that the Jones deal was a good one for this franchise. Even fans that are really big advocates of Jones realize the deal was bad.

3200 passing yards and 15tds is not good production as we've stated multiple times and yet you still push it as a great season and not the mirage that it was.

2022 was all about Barkley, it's amazing once we Barkley hit the wall in Houston our offense completely fell off and we limped to the finish.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 09:31:51 PMFair enough,

however,

DJ is coming off a devastating acl injury and cannot fully participate yet, and he's still outshining the others.

While Lock and Devito are fully healthy.

Secondly,

DJ hasn't been in the same system for six years.

He is entering his 3rd year in Daboll's system.

This will be Devito's second.

And Lock his first, however Lock has been in the league for five years, entering his sixth, same as DJ.

I have nothing further to say, off to rest.

Jones is only participating in 1 7v7 set a day while everyone else participates in 11v11, but for 40 million he should look 10× better than a guy making 5 million. It shouldn't be a whew glad he looks better than our 5 million dollar backup. Does that not show just how bad off we are at the qb position? when our hope is, well I would really like our 40 million dollar qb to outplay the guy that was just brought in at a fraction of the cost and an undrafted player today.

Enjoy your rest 👊

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 08:18:24 PMSo, let me get this straight, you are advocating for Daboll and Schoen to trade Daniel Jones, their starting QB right now. Okay, so quick question for you, who are they going to trade him too? And what player are they going to get in return?

Secondly, you claim Daniel Jones is a failure. May I ask a question then? In 2022 when the Giants made the playoffs and won a game, with Daniel Jones as the starting QB, were you advocating back then that he was an albatross and a failure?

Just curious?

He was saying teams normally don't double down or hold onto bad mistakes. If a qb doesn't work within a couple seasons they are gone and yet despite that we still have Daniel Jones.

49ers, CHI twice, Pittsburgh, the Jets twice, and so many more that have drafted a nonelite qb and then released them to start fresh. The Giants however being outdated are still clinging onto the same not so great player.

Doing the same thing over and over just to get the same result.

Also Jones Contract has universally been acknowledged as a bad deal along with the Giants attempts to select a new "guy".

I think Y was just saying please let's try something different besides what we've been doing over and over that has failed.

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 30, 2024, 08:22:04 PMHi,

Devito's been in the same system for over a year now, and according to reports DJ is way ahead of the other QB's.

This is a great thing to see, wouldn't you agree?

And if DJ begins to start throwing the ball deep several times a game, especially to Nabers, then this will be a much-improved offense

Rich and myself were discussing Lock not Jones or Devito.

I'll still answer the question:

Jones in year 6 should be ahead of an undrafted qb and a backup. It shouldn't be a great thing to see, it should be a given.

He can't get any worse throwing deep than he has been the past 2 years, and now he won't be as mobile. So we should all be hopeful it improves.

The audio tune is cracked to a 100.

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 30, 2024, 05:06:28 PMThat's good info...I'm glad they are focusing on improving STs (assuming they sign him)

Yeah as a complimentary guy last season he had 1 int 46 tackles, 1 FF, and a solid tackling grade.

Had a promising few games in 21 or 22 but he's really a specials guy and someone that can actually tackle in the secondary. Believe he's only missed 4 tackles his whole time in the league.

Quote from: GloryDays on May 30, 2024, 04:22:21 PMi DON'T LIKE THAT MOVE... he is bright and he runs well. he will contribute on another team, if he doesnt go on our P S

He added zero value as an actual RB. We can find special teams players everywhere.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 30, 2024, 02:54:11 PMI agree with your point to an extent.   I would have preferred to hear Lock was lighting it up and that there could be a QB competition.   I consider the Admittedly early reports on Lock less than ideal.

It's may, in shorts, in a new system etc so I'm not too concerned with anyone's progress rn. If it's the same come August that's another story.

I bet he is after having lemeuix, mckethan etc on either side of him last season.

I don't care who Starts as long as whoever is back there is moving and/or taking shots with the football down the field. It has to change this season.

Thank you

Quote from: todge on May 30, 2024, 01:27:28 PMIt wasn't the same team. The key was the early loss of Thomas due to a hamstring. His replacement Ezeudu was totally overmatched. It was also the debut of a rookie C. The level of competition was also a huge difference the first six games. Jones had less than 2 seconds on average to throw the ball before there was a jailbreak into the backfield. Even Aikman commented that DJ didn't have a chance. Later on the addition of Pugh and the return of Thomas stabilized the OL somewhat.

If DeVito and Taylor moved the team better as you claim, then why isn't Taylor starting this year? DeVito is hanging onto a roster spot by a shoelace. DeVito was ultimately benched in the Saints game because he was woefully unprepared - he was far more interested in signing autographs than spending time in the QB room.

Your last take that Taylor and DeVito are more in demand than Jones is a total head scratcher. As is your inference that both QBs are better than Jones.

Jones isn't being traded under any circumstances. So I'm pretty sure you can abandon that hope. This is and always will be a team game and a QB needs protection and weapons to thrive. Give those to Jones and you will see success.


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Taylor wasn't resigned because he went elsewhere for more money. He is being paid as the top backup Qb in the league for a reason.  His Big Time Throw rate was tops in the league last year and his adjusted EPA was top 15. He also threw the ball and connected deep almost 3 times the rate of Jones or Devito.

Was Taylor's play elite, no it wasn't but his play was significantly better than anything else we saw last year.

I would be over the moon if Jones replicated Taylor's stats/production last year over the course of this upcoming season.

It's still kinda wild in 2024 that the police arrest first and think later.

Quote from: bamagiantfan on May 30, 2024, 10:40:14 AMThe stats do lie though. Phil Simms would often say the stats in the NFL lie and the QBs get too much credit and too much blame for winning and losing. Manning could look lost, confused - even pathetic at times and then suddenly he would figure some things out and make every play necessary to beat teams. We all saw it. All of it. Jones hasn't taken that step yet in my opinion. Unlike others, I think he can and will.

I think it all boils down to his explosives/big time throws. If he can elevate his game to even 15th in Explosives and BTTR this season we could really do some things.

Jones isn't a bad qb, and he's not a great one either but he could be good enough which is all we really need currently.