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Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 08:46:22 AMYes, but it's frustrating to hear fans talk like Jones has been put in a normal NFL QB situation.  Jones has had shortcomings; like any QB (potentially more), Jones has shortcomings.  It's just frustrating that some fans seem not to acknowledge the terrible (and it's really been some of the worst in the NFL) support he has received in his NFL career.

But that's what happens when Qbs go to a bad team, they either rise above it or they don't. I don't hear anyone going to bat for Evan Neal or any other offensive player that have equally been failed by being on a team with Daniel Jones, but it's ok for them to all be used as an excuse for him. A 6th year player who still puts up advanced stats like a backup in year 6. Just wild that some can't see Jones is a huge reason for the bad offense.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 08:52:38 AMThe only way a team sustains cap health, long-term, is to consistently draft well.  That has not been the case for the Giants for a long time.

Rich,

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on Today at 08:43:11 AMOne of the things a lot of people forget, Schoen inherited a "cap hell" situation, which delays a rebuild if you stay focused on fixing the cap. And it seems, Schoen has done a decent job of getting it into reasonable shape

Not sure anyone has forgotten it, but he did sign Jones to that extension and made a good but expensive trade and sign with Burns.   Further, missing on OL in the draft has caused the team to have to sign OL annually for more than draft picks would cost.

IMO, for a team that has been as poor as the Giants, the cap isn't great right now.

@DaveBrown74 and @kingm56

Remember last year when everyone ignored the Eagles' losing both their OC and DC and predicted a repeated trip to the Super Bowl? The Cowboys lost their very talented DC this past offseason (along with a number of veteran starters). Those sorts of losses tend to go under the radar but are often the most impactful.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 03, 2024, 06:39:32 PMWish the Giants had the problem of too many draft picks they wanted to re-sign that would command huge salaries.  Although, somehow, with the worst record in the NFC for the last decade they are still up against cap wise

The only way a team sustains cap health, long-term, is to consistently draft well.  That has not been the case for the Giants for a long time.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 08:31:24 AMJust a note, that calculation is preliminary.   If, for example, McKinney gets hurt in camp and doesn't play next season, there would be noncompliance pick awarded (pretty sure aboutbthat).

Very true, player performances are part of the comp formula

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 08:14:00 AMVery interesting, and I'm not surprised that the Rams are sophisticated on this stuff. They are absolutely one of the most progressive and forward-thinking teams in the league.

We (meaning the organization) on the other hand continue to employ head trainers who learned their trade during the Nixon administration, and then when our guys drop like flies at an alarming rate every single year for well over a decade, we shrug our shoulders and chalk it up to random bad luck.

If you have a subscription to the Athletic, I highly recommend their two-part series, finding Rams.  The Rams gave a reporter massive access to the Rams process during a season and the article provides great insights.   I remember it against "Finding Giants" where my most memorable scene was some old Giants scouting trying to scam free candy from some college football program.

https://theathletic.com/5461276/2024/05/02/nfl-draft-scouting-process-rams-behind-the-scenes/

https://theathletic.com/5468042/2024/05/03/rams-nfl-draft-scouting-behind-the-scenes/

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 08:22:09 AMRich,

Is Jones himself responsible for any of his own failures?

Would you say it is "fair" to blame a QB's struggles entirely on everyone else and not hold the player accountable for any of it?

Yes, but it's frustrating to hear fans talk like Jones has been put in a normal NFL QB situation.  Jones has had shortcomings; like any QB (potentially more), Jones has shortcomings.  It's just frustrating that some fans seem not to acknowledge the terrible (and it's really been some of the worst in the NFL) support he has received in his NFL career.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 03, 2024, 06:39:32 PMWish the Giants had the problem of too many draft picks they wanted to re-sign that would command huge salaries.  Although, somehow, with the worst record in the NFC for the last decade they are still up against cap wise

One of the things a lot of people forget, Schoen inherited a "cap hell" situation, which delays a rebuild if you stay focused on fixing the cap. And it seems, Schoen has done a decent job of getting it into reasonable shape

Quote from: President Rick on Today at 08:34:55 AMso on average more than half of each year's number 1 picks are, based on what their own teams are doing with them,  - for lack of a better word - busts.  not that some won't stay around, but these are the #1 picks of each team.  quite a stat.

Not sure if they are busts or teams dont want to guarantee the money a year prior especially since it allbhots the cap

so on average more than half of each year's number 1 picks are, based on what their own teams are doing with them,  - for lack of a better word - busts.  not that some won't stay around, but these are the #1 picks of each team.  quite a stat.