Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 13, 2024, 03:54:19 PMI all comes down to positional responsibilities. The 3/4 Mike has more coverage responsibilities and the 3/4 Edge do not. That's why I separate the LB's from the DLine. I am curious if Thibs and Burn have the sand in their pants to transition to DE responsibility. If so, the Giants are a 3 Tech away. Simmons would be my Will and McFadden my Sam.

Ed,

I get your point, and I think Thibs and Burns are going to spend considerable more time trying to be get in the backfield then in coverage.  I could be wrong, but from what Daboll has said about being more of an "attacking" defense, I am guessing those guys will be deployed mostly as penetrators. 

Burns did not grade out as a good run defender which, for me, is why your question/point is a good one. 

I can't help but see another Buffalo similarity here.  Buffalo's DL likes to get up field and disrupt.  And they have mostly been good at it.  Seems like that's the direction Daboll wants this D to go.

Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 10:30:35 AMPick whatever names you want.  Kevin Boss, Billy Ard, Jim Burt, etc.  The point is mid-late round picks who developed and became good starting players.

Well I would start with actual Giants mid-round picks and not FAs or 2nd round picks.   Sorry if my point upset you.

I also feel like when Reese was GM fans weren't calling it a development issue but a drafting issue.  He had a streak of poor 3rd rounders that never contributed and I don't recall anyone saying it was development.

There is one factor over the last 10 years that I think has probably had an effect on development - the carousel of coaching changes.  Players drafted in the mid to late rounds are drafted with a development plan in mind.  When their is new coaches in place 2 years later, they won't look at that player the same or have a role in mind for them. 

Larry,

That's one of the reasons I wish they would have graded the front 7 as a group and not had Burns and Thibodeaux as OLBs.  Seems like they used "base" defense lineups to grade this even though teams are in "base" less than 30% of the time. 

I agree that the team has not done a good job of getting the most out of their players, but I would disagree with some of those names in terms of being considered "marginal backups" at any point in time. 

Linval Joseph played his best ball after he left the Giants. 
Kareem McKenzie was a starter for the Giants day 1 and a good one.
Bradshaw didn't get many opportunities early.  Never saw him as marginal, but he did develop into a bigger role

Is Jones at rookie mini-camp?

"Poor pass rusher"
"Had a career high 13.5 sacks.."

Pretty wild to me how much faster Bellinger's 10byard split is but Johnson ran a better 40 time. 

I don't think its wrong to state that if the offense performs on the same level then Burns opportunities for sacks will be limited.

Whether or not Jones should be mentioned rather than the offense as a whole is debatable.

I thought it was a pretty good breakdown overall.  Part of me wanted the front 7 ranked as a unit rather than separating DL and LBs into 3 groups. 

Totally disagree with this:

"The Giants haven't had the assets to be able to trade for a package of draft picks that would turbo charge their roster building efforts."

They had the assets.  If Neal and Thibodeaux were considered home runs at this point, this team would have an entirely different outlook.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 11, 2024, 01:26:59 PMhttps://x.com/DDuggan21/status/1789320196400001240

What fans are "constantly" seeking Aaron Robinson updates at this point?

Purdy #2?

Quote from: spiderblue43 on May 09, 2024, 10:36:42 AMHe's a stand-up guy. Never was a deep threat, but reliable as a possession option.

Earlier in his career he averaged over 17 yards/reception for a season or two..  Last year was by far his lowest in that stat with 8.2.

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 08, 2024, 05:33:06 PMI respectfully beg to differ. Last August there were people on this board arguing that the Giants were going to be "something special this year." I don't think any of those folks, or even a number who were less emphatic but still cautiously optimistic, would have told you last August that the Giant would go 0-5 in those five games.

I think for many of us, the 1st game was a slap back to reality.  It would have been one thing to lose,  but to look completely outclassed was a different story. 

Thought I remembered this conversation.

https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/06/do-giants-have-fastest-offense-in-the-nfl-with-saquon-barkley-darius-slayton-and-the-rest.html

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 07, 2024, 11:18:14 AMIf the Giants have an earlier exit from playoff contention, no doubt.

I think if that happens a lot more will change than the QB.  It will be tough for Daboll to keep things under control if they have another 2-8 start to a season.