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Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:55:11 AMNeither can the ignorant fans.

True, but "fan" is short for "fanatic".  I sort of expect some fans to behave that way, especially ones who really liked Barkley and were hurt or felt betrayed by Barkley joining a despised division rival.   I would think the wealthy players who have a new base of fans supporting them and cheering them couldn't be bothered with the nonsense.

By all reports, the Giants made a strong effort to trade up to draft Maye but that simply wasn't possible because the Pats wanted him as their quarterback.

So here is my question.

Are you upset because:

A) the Giants didn't ignore their board and drafted one of the lesser-graded QBs on their board

B) You disagree with the Giants' grades they had on the remaining 3 QBs, you at least one of them had a grade that justified drafting them 6th overall (passing on a blue chip prospect like Nabers)

C) Neither A or B, you are just unhappy with the circumstances (no "mistakes" made) that had the Giants come out of the draft with out a new QB

You had OJB, then Toney.  Neither seemed to be able to make a clean break with the team and the fans.  Well Barkley just joined that group

QuotePhiladelphia Eagles running back Saquon Barkley joined his teammate, wide receiver AJ Brown, courtside at the New York Knicks-Philadelphia 76ers game on Thursday night.

When cameras caught him cheering on Philly, Giants fans took to X, formerly known as Twitter, and bashed the team's former superstar.

https://x.com/saquon/status/1786244589277352404

https://x.com/saquon/status/1786248843819876695


https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2024/05/03/philadelphia-eagles-saquon-barkley-claps-back-angry-new-york-giants-fans-go-birds/?taid=6634c2a37de5b70001af7bbd&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=twitter

This topic has been merged into Talkin Giants- Giants Offensive UDFA Review.

This link will start the video where Banks explains how that victory over the Eagles mattered


https://youtu.be/IPkDWLzJHS8?list=PLx1t0RBHW6Qr7ojtpJDJRgf2GmohPJ2t6&t=880

One thought I had;  maybe some of DJ's fanatical work ethic will rub off on Lock.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 02, 2024, 10:18:59 AMThe thing with Lock is that he isn't scared to throw the ball down the field. If Jones comes in with his dink and dunk approach yet again while Lock is throwing deep in camp then there might be traction from everyone for him to get the nod.

Lock has roughly as many INTs as he has TDs.   He could use a little caution.

12 players officially had their 5th-year options declined:

No. 2: Zach Wilson
No. 3: Trey Lance
No. 11: Justin Fields
No. 15: Mac Jones
No. 16: Zaven Collins
No. 19: Jamin Davis
No. 20: Kadarius Toney
No. 22: Caleb Farley
No. 24: Najee Harris
No. 28: Payton Turner
No. 29: Eric Stokes
No. 32: Joe Tryon-Shoyinka

Alex Leatherwood (No. 17, cut from contract) and Rashod Bateman (No. 27, not enough accrued seasons) were not eligible.

Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 02, 2024, 03:07:12 PMSimilar with Bellinger.

I had forgotten about his gun show.   

Here is a good article on Jake Kubas


https://heavy.com/sports/nfl/new-york-giants/jake-kubas-lineman-undrafted-free-agent/

Quote from: Jolly Blue Giant on May 02, 2024, 11:47:47 AMIf you listen to nothing more than the last ten minutes or so, it's worth it. Toomer goes into a lot of detail about becoming a pro, what it takes physically and mentally...about not fearing about competition, but actually wanting it, etc. Amani tells it like it is (it's simply business) from a player's perspective and his unique point of view on DJ as well as running backs. He explains to players that you have to get better every year or you're gone, and don't fear being replaced, but embrace it and use it to push yourself further

A good example is Kayvon who spent the offseason getting bigger and stronger, as shown here in Spring workout...exactly as Toomer explains in his dialogue. He looks jacked and will look great across his new bookend Burns. They will push each other

I got excited when Ojulari came to OTAs jacked.  Since then, a player coming in jacked is not something I immediately celebrate

Quote from: brownelvis54 on May 02, 2024, 01:04:31 PMWhy do some teams get tons of picks? Example KC ?


https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2024-nfl-undrafted-free-agent-tracker-full-team-by-team-list-of-every-player-who-signed-following-nfl-draft/

Every team has the same 90 guys going into camp.  The Giants seem to favor keeping all those still under contract from last season, including most of the PS, along with street free-agent signings after the season to fill out their 90 rather than going with big undrafted rookie classes.   It's a trend that seemed to start with Gettleman and continues under Schoen.

Quote from: brownelvis54 on May 02, 2024, 12:59:07 PMRich, this is it?


Missouri OL Marcellus Johnson (source)
Wyoming WR Ayir Asante (source)
UConn WR Geordon Porter
Minnesota WR Chris Autman-Bell
Georgia Southern TE Jay McAfee
North Carolina T William Barnes
Oregon IDL Casey Rogers
LSU EDGE Ovie Oghoufo
UCLA CB Alex Johnson

add in the kicker from Rutgers and that's about it.  The Giants UDRFA class had only 9 slots.  Even before Schoen and Daboll, the Giants didn't seem to be into big UDRFA classes.

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 02, 2024, 12:29:36 PMI'm pretty pro-analytics, but this guy is talking in a vacuum about historical draft value without any reference to what resources were available in this particular draft. Would it have been great if a top-tier, flawless edge was available at 6? Hell yeah! But no defensive player went until 15 for a reason. Understandably, this may be difficult to encapsulate in statistics... but then it's your job to call out the potential flaws and drawbacks from your approach, not double-down with criticism.

I think the bigger flaw is not fully appreciating the limitations of analytics.  If you are drafting a QB, you can't say, "Well, historically, you have less than a 50% chance of success with that pick".  Those sorts of claims hold true if you were drafting, say, a hundred QBs.  In that case, likely less than 50 would be hits.  However, in the case of a single pick, while those stats can give a vague sense of one's chances of success, the individual pick and the factors around that pick (support and coaching) will have a far greater impact.

Quote from: uconnjack8 on May 02, 2024, 12:04:50 PMOne would think an "analytics" guy would know Nabers wasn't drafted in the top 5. 

Interesting point.   I picked up on the fact that he seemed unaware that Nubins was drafted with a low 2nd round pick rather than the Giants' second-round pick (which the Giants had traded away for Burns)