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Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 15, 2024, 07:59:24 PMMay I ask who made the false statement?

Here is the quote

"I think the term "we are not a qb away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Are you ready to apologize?

or double down?

choose

I'll wait

To be fair I think he was referring to this statement of mine:

QuoteWhat does it mean when he gets blamed for many of the sacks the OL subjects him to, but when a back-up behind a better OL is sacked at an even higher rate we are told that the back-up has better pocket sense?  What does it mean when the woes of the defense are the fault of all the 3 and outs he has, when in actuality the TOP is virtually 50-50?  The fact is that there are posters who have tried to place virtually every team failing at DJ's feet.

Quote from: LennG on May 15, 2024, 07:40:11 PMWhen our kicker is on a promotional poster and not our QB, says a lot about the opinion of where the talent lies on this team.

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Quote from: Trench on May 15, 2024, 04:09:47 PMWell it is in poor taste to make a completely false statement on a message board where we are continually dissecting words and thoughts and then when called out, the answer is it was simply hyperbole. Had it been stated as such in the beginning (or simply admit a mistake was made) we could have avoided a lot of negative back and forth

May I ask who made the false statement?

Here is the quote

"I think the term "we are not a qb away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Are you ready to apologize?

or double down?

choose

I'll wait

Quote from: LennG on May 15, 2024, 07:32:35 PMWhen I started this thread it was about the OL and, as usual, it has ended up being a referendum on Daniel Jones, like most other threads.

If anyone cares, what about our 'new and impr oved' OL? Is PFF right and do we still have the worst OL in the league or have we made some significant improvements to make it, at least, average?

Lenn,

I am not surprised by the ranking.  The Giants offseason additions were not top echelon guys.  Thomas is the only guy on the line with any credentials for "rankings". 

I think if they had traded for or signed a pro-bowl caliber OL they might have been ranked higher.  They signed a lot of mediocrity and added that to  a group that mostly rated worse than mediocre.

I don't know if they will be better.  I think they could be.  It seemed like most of the signees were better pass blockers than run blockers.  Maybe they can find one thing they do well and have an identity.  That would be an improvement in my opinion. Last year they couldn't run or pass block.  If they pass block well, they might be able to set up the run via the pass.

I'll believe it when it I see it.

Quote from: jgrangers2 on May 15, 2024, 04:38:53 PMIf they're gonna bench anyone, it should be Trouba or Gustafson for Jones. They've been terrible (Trouba's shorty notwithstanding). I think Schneider got caught flat footed and stuck between giving Staal space and attacking him and just did neither. It was ugly and then only got worse from there.

Ultimately, while game 5 was ugly, it's just one game. Hopefully the Rangers come out better tomorrow night and look a lot more like the team from game 4. Carolina needed three bar and in goals to win on Saturday. If the Rangers play like that, they end it tomorrow and we don't have to go through the heart attack of a game 7.

You know, I remember cursing at Trouba last year as the Rangers went down in flames. I'm not sure what's going on with him. But I will say that I remember when he was out of the lineup, the defense came to life when Jones stepped in and added a nice little spark in the transition element of the defensive game. He seemed to hold his own as well against some of the better teams out there. But that's when Foxy was at 100%, which it is pretty clear he is not at the moment.

Ever since that high-flying missed check into the side boards, Trouba seems to have lost something and, along with Miller, they're fading at the end of games now. So are we seeing one player going to pieces, or are we seeing a few players fade because their tanks are starting to hit empty? A scary thought!

But bringing Jones in would make all the sense in the world right now because they need a spark back there and he can provide that. He's fresh, can spell one of them who needs a day off, and tomorrow the world will be on their backs with a relentless attack coming.

But Laviolette needs to take the temperature of his team right now and be smart in the next steps he makes. He's accomplished the gauntlet for Lord Stanley so this shouldn't be any surprise for him. Make smart adjustments, don't sell out your players and risk getting them injured if they're hurting too much right now. Challenge the ones whom he believes they have something to deliver and let them go deliver it.

But, in the end, defend that space in front of Igor, for crying out loud!

Peace!

Quote from: LennG on May 15, 2024, 07:32:35 PMWhen I started this thread it was about the OL and, as usual, it has ended up being a referendum on Daniel Jones, like most other threads.

If anyone cares, what about our 'new and impr oved' OL? Is PFF right and do we still have the worst OL in the league or have we made some significant improvements to make it, at least, average?

I answered your question. Maybe it wasn't loud enough. It's stupid to evaluate an Offensive Line with two new veteran starters, a second year Center, a new Oline Coach and no playing time together. Including how injuries will impact the continuity.

Quote from: kingm56 on May 15, 2024, 10:25:22 AMYou're claiming the absence of a statement must mean it's true!? If I proclaim Evan Neal is a terrible RT, does that automatically equate to him being the sole reason for the Giants failures?

Also, where does it say in those statements that DJ won't become an AP by the time he's 35?  I mean, if the absence of a statement is evidence of intent, we can make anything up...

Is it really the absence of a statement? or maybe all I had to do was research the point, which I would encourage you to do.

Here is your quote

"I think the term "we are not a QB away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So, you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Let me know when you're ready to apologize?

or do you want to double down on your position?

Quote from: Trench on May 15, 2024, 10:22:17 AMThank you. Case closed.

Is the case really closed? or maybe you haven't actually researched the point?

Here is your quote:

"I think the term "we are not a QB away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So, you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Let me know when you're ready to apologize?

Or do you want to keep up your position?

Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 15, 2024, 10:20:25 AMYou can't support your actual point, so instead you demand someone prove a negative?

Let's break this down quickly: you asserted people on the board are pinning it all on Jones based on a quote which didn't actually support that prospect, got that pointed out, continued to provide some random quotes which similarly didn't support your point. But instead of conceding, you double-down by requesting that others prove that people didn't assert your point?

Sorry, but that's not how it works. Either you can back up what you assert or you can't. Pretty clear where we've landed on that right now.

It saddens me when you make a claim, then do absolutely no research on the point and then double down on your position like you actually know.

However, It actually works in my favor because it exposes your faulty line of reasoning.

Here are the quotes that back up exactly what I have said, are you ready?

"I think the term "we are not a QB away from being good" is a complete cop out and utter bull sht. So, you don't think the Giants make the playoffs this past season with CJ Stroud at Qb? The defense wasn't the problem, they kept us in games, Slayton was running wide open with Hyatt half the season. We also saw our oline play exceptionally better under Tyrod than with Jones/Devito, some of that to do with health and the rest because tyrod is an actual NFL quarterback."

Let me know when you're ready to apologize?

or do you want to keep it up?