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Show posts MenuQuote from: Trench on Today at 12:55:25 PMI will clarify as u are correct - Jones AND the other QBs. Certainly don't wanna upset the jones or bust club
Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 01:16:26 PM"So, perhaps unfairly, he lands here, capped, in a way, by the lingering uncertainty around what Daniel Jones will bring to the table."
Where in that is there hate? You automatically assume he is speaking to Jones play when he could simply be speaking about his health. So without knowing the context it is beyond ridiculous to assume the guy is slamming Jones.
The author brings up major players for every team that the player is going to. They bring up A Rodgers on the Hassan Reddick trade, all the Titans offensive weapons when discussing the Sneed trade, and so on. Jones was not singled out or treated any different than anyone else in the article.
Lingering uncertainty to what Jones brings to the table is more than likely referring to his health.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 11:20:04 AMMy original point was that you had people on this forum saying the Giants were going to be "something special" in 2023 based on their observations over the summer through the preseason, and that the eventual reality on the ground was in stark contrast to that. I further noted that that disconnect has occurred plenty of times in the past, both with us and with other fan bases around the league. I specifically noted the disconnect between the intense optimism seen here and the woefully poor performance in week one, which is generally the most reflective week of how well prepared the team was over the various stages of camp and the preseason.
You seemed to disagree with (and want to discredit) my observation by pointing out that Waller, who played the whole game and for another 7 weeks after that, wasn't 100% perfectly healthy and that Andrew Thomas missed some of the game. I personally don't agree that those two issues are why we lost 40-0 or that had every relevant member of the team been 100% healthy (an extreme rarity for any NFL team in any game), that things would have been dramatically different in that game.
To me that game illustrated a lack of preparation of the team and also the team's lack of overall talent and depth. To isolate one or two injuries, even to starters, simply does not debunk the above.
Quote from: Philosophers on Today at 01:22:39 PMGuys - almost all of the pressure in the Dallas game came from the right side of the OL. Thomas and Waller would not have mattered. Neal got destroyed by 9 tech edges and 5-7 tech twists.
Quote from: CVA14 on Today at 01:15:03 PMMighty your first para suggests that except for his height he has the raw material to become a pass rusher, doesn't it
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 11:07:18 AMSo your argument is that if both of those players had been 100% healthy in all four quarters, we would have instead looked good in that game instead of losing 40-0?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 11:04:16 AMHow did any of those impact the week one game, which is what I was referencing?
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on Today at 10:54:29 AMWell said, and I couldn't agree more.
I would even take it a step further and argue that the whole of camp and preseason get overhyped too in terms of their meaningfulness and correlation to real games. Look at all the optimism we had on this board in late August/early Sep, and then look at the historically terrible week one performance. That was not the only time we've seen this disconnect either. Not by a longshot, sadly.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:47:19 AMRich You titled the thread Jones hate among sports pundits and proceeded to list one guy who was talking about Brian burns. Yes he mentioned the qb in a throwaway line but it wasn't hate.
Especially when you consider that the guy in the article talks about the team that the player is going to. Each trade the guy brings up qbs, wrs, tes, and so on for the team the player is going to so Jones wasn't singled out and wasn't the only qb discussed so you're making it into something it absolutely isn't.
Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 10:14:01 AMHate? The guy basically said the Giants will only go as far as Jones takes them. I think most would agree with the statement, as he is the Qb for the team currently. If it was any other nfl team that had a qb coming off an injury they'd likely say the exact same thing.
Quote from: Trench on Today at 10:17:42 AMThe Giants did not target him consistently whatsoever. That's not on him. That's on Jones or the game plan or both.