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If you are like me, you watched the movie "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", and thought it was "okay, but nothing compared to other Tarantino movies". Boy was I wrong. Probably everyone has seen it, but not everyone begins to see the hand of Quentin Tarantino's masterful touches. It is filled with brief scenes that are filled with meaning; hence, the reason movie aficionados consider the movie Tarantino's absolute masterpiece, an especially those who work in the movie business

The story is really about several things going on in 1969: an actor who is washed up...the dying film genre of western movies and the stars of those westerns...the Charles Manson ranch and group of girls...the power of Roman Polanski at the height of his film making...and of course, Sharon Tate's life and demise

Leonardo DiCaprio plays "Rick Dalton" (a washed-up actor trying to make a comeback in the dying western genre); Brad Pitt as Dalton's stunt double "Cliff Booth"; and Italian actress Lorenza Izzo who plays "Francessca", Dalton's wife. Margot Robbie plays the role of "Sharon Tate", worthy of an Academy Award, IMO

Tarantino did dozens and dozens of little things, that not only indicate his obsession with Hollywood and retelling the real history of film making and the stars "exactly as it happened", but also liked to use artifacts from his other movies as a tease to Tarantino fans

Here's a short list of some of the things in the film that he used to show actual history and tidbits from his previous movies:

Margot Robbie (playing Sharon Tate), worked hard at studying Tate's life by wearing Tate's original jewelry for the entire time the film was being made, as well as wearing Tate's perfume from a half full bottle left in Tate's bedroom taken from the house where she was murdered. Towards the end, Robbie is sitting in a restaurant El Coyote, the actual restaurant where Tate ate her last meal, and Robbie sat in the same booth in the same seat area as Tate on the night she was murdered (attention to detail by QT)



Dittos with the restaurant "Musso and Frank's Grill", where Dalton and producer Marvin Schwarz (Al Pacino) met. The restaurant closed because of COVID, but it was still open in 2019 when the film was made and the owner had kept everything in the restaurant in its original state since its opening in 1919. In the 60's, it was a main stay for movie stars to eat (more attention to detail by QT)

The cars used in the movie were the same used in previous movies by QT. Dalton's cream-colored Cadillac was driven by Mr. Blonde in "Reservoir Dogs". Booth's (Pitt) car was a blue Karmann Ghia that was also driven by Uma Thurman in "Kill Bill", and the 1950s MG TD driven by "Roman Polanski", was an exact replica of the car Polanski drove when he was married to Sharon Tate before her murder. Tarantino took a beautifully restored black 59 Ford, and turned it into a POS that was identical to Manson's beat up car. The museum offered the original Manson car to be used in the movie, but Tarantino thought it was too creepy to use anything that Manson had in real life


Charles Manson's original car


Fake car used in the movie - car was made exactly as Manson's car

The Playboy Mansion scene was actually shot at the real Playboy Mansion of Hugh Hefner and the Playboy bunnies were actual girls who lived at the mansion. Some interesting people at the party were Steve McQueen (Damian Lewis) sharing a joint with Michelle "Michy" Phillips (singer from the Mamas and Papas and "the purest soprano in pop music", according to Time magazine, portrayed by Rebecca Rittenhouse), and Jay Sebring (Hollywood hairdresser to the stars and fiancée of Sharon Tate before a last minute breakup so she could marry Roman Polanski, played by Emile Hirsch). Polanski and Tate show up to the party in his little hot rod, then Tate takes off with Michy Phillips and runs into "Mama Cass", Michy's female partner in Mamas and Papas. As they get their party on, McQueen is now with Connie Stevens (played by Dreama Walker) and he explains to her the relationship between 5'3" Polanski, 5'8" Tate, and 5'4" Sebring. Connie Stevens was an actress and songstress who sang a song written by George Gershwin his brother, Ira called, "About a Boy".


During parts of the film in which Dalton is either practicing or playing his role in an old "Ranch Setting", it is the same setting used in his film, "Django"

A bus passes by with a big advertisement on the side of it promoting the "Big Kahuna Burger", a fictitious burger used in the movies, "Pulp Fiction" and "Reservoir Dogs". Also, plants a sidewalk seat with 93 KHJ "the Boss", a radio station that was king of Hollywood in 1969 (more attention to detail). Even the advertisements on the radio played in the background throughout the movie were taken from old recordings from '69



When Brad Pitt is cooking a crappy meal at home, you might notice a big blue coffee pot on the stove in his crappy apartment. It's the same coffee pot used in "The Hateful Eight", that was filled with poison and served to everyone in the building in a remote wilderness



When Tate (Margot Robbie) goes to a bookstore to pick up a book for her husband Polanski, she stops and admires and fondles a sculpture of a falcon. It just so happens that it is the exact falcon sculpture used in the movie, "The Maltese Falcon", which had been missing for close to 50 years as someone stole it from the set. It turned up at a flea market and Hollywood paid 300,000 dollars for it to get it back.

Also, the book that Tate had ordered was a classic 1891 Thomas Hardy novel that Tate loved because it was close to how she had grown up. The novel told the story of the harrowing and tragic life of the beautiful Tess, born into poverty and raped after being sent to live and work with what are believed to be wealthy relatives. The book was called "Tess of the d'Urbervilles: A Pure Woman Faithfully Presented". Polanski made a film based on the book, which he named "Tess". In the opening sequence of the film, Polanski dedicates the film to "Sharon". The film was nominated for six Academy Awards and winning three, including Best Picture



Charles Manson was introduced into the film as Booth (Pitt) sees a girl on the side of the street who is one of Manson's girls called Pussycat" (Margaret Qualley), while waiting at a red light and blasting "Hang on Sloopy" on the radio. Staying true to script, Qualley lets her arm pit hair grow in order to stay in character for Pussycat (more attention to detail by QT)


They meet up again later and Booth gets to know all the girls at Manson's ranch.
The real Manson girls


The film's Manson girls (which includes Sydney Sweeney and Dakata Fanning as "Squeaky Fromme" who later attempted to assassinate Pres. Gerald Ford


During one scene, the group of girls from Charles Manson's ranch are singing a song a capella, called "I'll Never Say Never, to Always"...a real song that was actually written by Charles Manson (a bit creepy if you ask me). The girls sang this in court as Manson was being tried.


In another scene we meet a guy named George Spahn (played by Bruce Dern), a real person who owned a ranch that he rented out to film production companies, and where the Manson family stayed at the time of the murders. He was blind and in his 80's around the time the Manson family moved in. Manson had offered Spahn sex with the women of his family in exchange for shelter. Booth is suspicious when he goes to visit Spahn and figures he might find him dead

Regardless, there are so many nuances to real history referenced in this movie, that it is almost impossible to truly get the gist of what Tarantino is trying to get across to the viewer. In short: the film is more of a tribute to those who work in Hollywood and know all the gory details of how Hollywood worked in the late 60s, as well as paying homage to his past movies by including cars, cooking pots, slogans on a bus, actors, etc., being inserted throughout the film. He has said it is his "last film" (we'll see) and he wanted it to be spectacular. In reality, it is...as long as you are a true history buff and are a fan of Tarantino's previous works
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Notes of interest: During the hippie movement of the 60's, the two hottest spots in the country were Haight Ashbury in San Francisco, and "Laurel Canyon" in LA. The song "Twelve Thirty" by the Mamas and Papas told of the love children moving to "the canyon". "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", staying true to exacting history, Tarantino shot the entire movie at Laurel Canyon


Kurt Russell is a true historian and helped Tarantino get everything right about the movie He received a small role in the film. Tarantino grew up in LA, so he had his own take on what was going on in 1969, but he admitted that Russell was a savant of history in LA at that time. In one interview, Russell says he grew up in the "belly of the beast" at that time in his life in Laurel Canyon, so he knew a lot of what was going on


Sydney Sweeney of recent rise to fame (especially in that SNL skit as a Hooters girl - LMAO - and the recent movie "Anybody But You") plays a role in the movie as one of Manson's girls.


Michael Madsen is one of Tarantino's closest friends and has been instrumental in picking music scores for QT's movies and gets to play in cameo roles in all his movies (except Kill Bill 2, in which he had a significant role). In Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, he is Sheriff Hackett. Madsen always gets killed in Tarantino's films, but he gets to live in this one

Tarantino tends to write himself into cameos in his films in which he gets to play a role. Although he didn't in this film, if you look closely at the opening poster for the movie, he is depicted in a small scene running a camera

Roman Polanski worked closely with Harvey Weinstein, and the two were the most influential people in the movie business, and to get into movies, you had to get their attention. Polanski/Weinstein controlled the film industary, while Phil Spector controlled much of the music industry. They were three peas in the same pod...one, three rapists, and one who murdered a young woman for fun by making her pretend to give a bj to a handgun not knowing he would pull the trigger just to feel what it was like to kill someone

When Sharon Tate was murdered, she was 8½ months pregnant. Her husband Polanski was in London at the time. Her baby was cut out of her and also killed. Also killed in the mayhem, was Jay Sebring (Tate's previous fiancée) and Abigail Folger, heiress to Folgers Coffee, as well as a friend and her boyfriend, and a housekeeper


Original picture of Polanski and Sharon Tate

Roman Polanski has been on the run for decades after raping a 13-year-old girl. He has lived in France and Poland since 1978 to avoid extradition to the U.S. where he'd face 50+ years in prison. He is now 90 years old and still alive


#2
Quote from: AZGiantFan on May 08, 2024, 12:12:25 PMCreativity will be at a premium this year as ST coaches will have to figure out how to deal with the radical change in the kickoff rules.  A team that really nails how to deal with the new rules could reap a significant competitive advantage.  Let's hope that with a new ST coaching staff and influx of potential talent that team is the Giants.

It was quite awhile ago that I read a story about the hiring of Michael Ghobrial, but the gist of the story was that Ghobrial was excited about the new rules for kick off and had some good ideas on how to exploit it. Maybe that's why they signed him. At the time, I didn't think much of it, but if he has that creativity mindset, maybe he'll bring life into the third leg of the stool that keeps a team relevant in the NFL. The hiring of Boykin and McKenzie, the drafting of Tracy and Muasau have the smell of a team that is looking to make special teams a factor, rather than an afterthought. Hope so anyway
#3
The Front Porch / Re: Rank Best Female Rockers
May 08, 2024, 05:48:30 PM
I'd be remiss to leave out another broken glass gargler...perhaps the grittiest voice of all the growler singers...Kim Carnes and "Bette Davis Eyes"

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The Front Porch / Re: Rank Best Female Rockers
May 08, 2024, 03:33:44 PM
Quote from: Sem on May 07, 2024, 01:46:48 AMA couple more that I thought of who I really enjoy.

Dolores O'Riordan (RIP)
Chrissie Hynde

Yes, they should be on the list. I particularly like O'Riordan's voice, and Hynde singing with the Pretenders was also very good

There's a lot of female singers that are very good and also "rockers", but have such a small sample size, or picked the wrong songs to showcase their voice, or simply didn't live in the U.S. or U.K. A couple of examples are Martika (small sample size) and Nena (German songstress)

Martika...really gets down at the end when she throws herself to the floor hammering the stage with her fist and quite a screaming performance. Girl has pipes...can really croon with the best of them

This song by Nena was played a lot when China was sending spy balloons over the U.S. and we shot them down. This song is about 99 balloons being released from a party and the German Army was called to shoot them down thinking they were being invaded...LOL. She's far more pop than rock, but unique. She also released this song in English, but it became a hit in the U.S. as it was sung in it's original German. I always imagine a fat slob sitting outside a gas station picking his teeth and saying, "yup...I'd do her"...LOL. Something an old girlfriend said to me as the height of insult as she was getting ogled
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The Front Porch / Re: Just a joke
May 08, 2024, 03:17:44 PM
15 times smart people said dumb things















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The Front Porch / Re: Rank Best Female Rockers
May 08, 2024, 11:51:55 AM
Quote from: LennG on May 06, 2024, 07:42:25 PMSince I am from a different generation, my idea of Rockers may differ from some others

#5 Debbie Harry
#4 Grace Slick
#3-Cher
#2-Ronnie Spector (Ronnettes)
#1--Tina Turner

And just for pure best voice Mama Cass


I like Cher as well, and probably should have thrown her into the mix as she can get down and rocky with some of her songs. I saw the Ronnettes about 25 years ago on the 18th hole at the BC Open and ran smack into Ronnie after the concert. She was very down to earth and friendly. I told her that I thought her show was marvelous and that I loved her voice. She sheepishly told me "thank you" and "that means a lot to me". Smiled from ear to ear. Hard to believe she was married to that creep Phil Spector  :sick: Hard to fathom how successful he was getting the Beatles going and a myriad of other singers (Tina Turner, the Righteous Brothers, the individual Beatles after their breakup, etc.) before committing the most horrendous murder. The movie "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood", really tells the story of all the big wigs in the music industry and film industry during the 60's if one keeps track, and even the Manson murders...and of course, Spector is right there in the middle of it. It's like the true history of Hollywood...but I digress

As far as best voice, Mama Cass (Ellen Naomi Cohen, known professionally as Cass Elliot) hated the name "Mama", but had the voice of a diva in an opera...for which she aspired to until her untimely death. Unbelievably great voice, with a unique quality that sets her apart from all female voices. Cher also has that unique sound that no can reproduce. Personally, I'd have to say Whitney Houston is probably the top voice for females, but again, it's all subjective. And I'd be remiss not to mention Mariah Carey with her six octave range...which is utterly ridiculous



Whitney sang the greatest love song ever sung...IMO. This song still brings tears to my eyes, which is the mark of once-in-a-lifetime singer, who can create such an emotion. It was especially dramatic as it was pumped over the loudspeakers as her casket was rolled away down the church aisle at her funeral  :'(

#7
I hope Michael Ghobrial is successful, even with an unimpressive résumé. I see he spent two years at SUNY Cortland, a school where I spent a couple of years before transferring to Binghamton U., and is right in my backyard. They were D3 National Champions last season, which is neither here nor there (just putting in a plug for them) and they've been well known nationally for superior soccer, baseball, and lacrosse teams, winning a number of championships. It's the "jock school" of the SUNY system, and even though it is plugged as an "education and teachers' school", its real focus is on sports

I suspect, if Ghobrial is not pretty successful in a short time period, that he will be replaced. Schoen doesn't seem to have a lot of patience with coaches who don't make good things happen
#8
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on May 08, 2024, 10:15:22 AMThanks Jolly. But just would note that Bryce Ford-Wheaton tore his ACL in the 2023 preseason back in August, so he's been recovering. I haven't read anything about him getting back on the field yet.

Thanks for pointing that out as I forgot about that. The story I read was about his desire to become a great STs player while hoping to get a shot at WR in the future. Story must've been old - my bad  :crazy:
#9
Though it wasn't broadcast in the headlines of news stories, the Giants' ST squad was poor the last few seasons. Fans knew it, but it was a side-note in the news. Apparently, judging by the changes, Schoen decided to fix it...knock on wood

Some of the changes I've noticed:

- Fired STC Thomas McGaughey and hired new STC Michael Ghobrial

- Resigned Gunner Olszewski (and true to his name, is a "gunner") who was our best gunner on STs since the retirement of David Tyree. Olszewski is also our punt returner, but that could change after the addition of WR/RB Tracy in the draft

- Signed Miles Boykin, one of the best gunners in the NFL...but as you know, we need two gunners, one on each side of the field

- Signed former Indianapolis Colts wide receiver Isaiah McKenzie, on a cheap 1-yr contract. Should promote competition at the punt return spot between him and Olszewski (and probably Tracy)

- Resigned Carter Coughlin, our best STs player who led the team with nine tackles last season and has earned a reputation as a hard hitter https://www.giants.com/video/carter-coughlin-s-hit-stick-tackle-ends-patriot-kick-return-giants-vs-patriots-h

- Drafted shifty Tyrone Tracy as a RB, but is targeted to also be a returner who could be especially effective under the new kickoff rules

- Bryce Ford-Wheaton has spent the year and off-season practicing to make the STs squad as a "jammer" and possibly a "gunner"...he is apparently taking STs very seriously

- Drafted Darius Muasau who is known to be a special teams ace and an "unrelenting" attacker. He also played for our new STC Ghobrial. He is said to be an extremely hard hitter and a "film rat"

- hopefully, Graham Gano is back and in top shape as our place kicker

- Jamie Gillan "the Scottish Hammer" made impressive improvement last season and should be in even better shape this coming season

I'm sure there are other behind the scenes changes being made, but it certainly appears that Schoen and Daboll have not ignored the problem of the "Third Team", for which we have sucked, and have taken it very seriously to upgrade across the board. I suspect the biggest change is probably putting in a whole new system designed by our new STC Ghobrial


 
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The Front Porch / Re: Rank Best Female Rockers
May 07, 2024, 08:24:57 PM
As I said, it's all subjective, so it's all about personal taste. I'll never forget a word of advice from Simon Cowell to amateur singers trying to make it to the winner's circle. He said, "I cannot emphasize enough, the importance of picking the right song to demonstrate your voice...because the 'catchiness' of the song, is just as important as your voice". Boy ain't that the truth. There are great singers who sang songs that never connected with the audience, and that is what is needed to succeed in the music business. Some women would make this list had they chosen the right song

My ranking:

5) Tie between Bonnie Taylor and Pat Benatar – deep and unique alto voices with a growl. Taylor sounds almost like she gargled with broken glass before stepping up to the mic
4) I really like Linda Perry (4 Non Blondes) as a powerful rocker's voice. Had she not destroyed her vocal cords, it's possible she could have worked her way to number one in my book. Too little released material to fairly judge her. I love her deep alto voice and her switching to falsetto during her song
3) Stevie Nicks – a unique voice that worked perfectly for the music she sang. Very passionate woman with a stack of gold records
2) Gracie Slick – a unique and powerful alto voice with a rocker's heart. I just like her. I remember seeing her on stage at a beach in Ocean City anxious to hear "We Built this City on Rock and Roll", which she sang and I loved it. Later I read that she hated that song...LOL
1) Gotta give it to Joan Jett, a true rock and roller who plays guitar like a rock star and never strayed into pop or country, remaining true to her rock roots and didn't get lost in drugs and scandals. I always figured a true musician not only sang, but also played and instrument like it was second nature. I hope she gets royalties for Sunday Night Football using her song

Shout out to Janice Joplin who was a total rocker, I just didn't care for her music. But she was one of a kind. Dittos with Amy Winehouse and her ultra unique voice
I really love Johnette Napolitano with her deep rich alto voice, but even better when she jumps an octave in the same song and sings falsetto, which is actually more beautiful (or unique) than her alto voice. The contrast is incredible...and she plays bass guitar
Also, little tidbit about Debbie Harry (Blondie), one of the few soprano voices I like. Adopted at birth, she never knew her real parents. But her birthdate and place of birth coincided perfectly with date/place of stories by Marylin Monroe (where she lived as a teen), who repeatedly told others about getting pregnant as a teen and being forced to give it up for adoption. For years, people (conspiracists) believe Debbie Harry is actually Marylin Monroe's illegitimate child she never knew. They say you can see it in her eyes and hear it in her voice



#11
I am shocked  :o   Commentators are throwing barbs at DJ??? Say it ain't true!  :what:

(that's only been going on since the second he was drafted)
#12
Big Blue Huddle / Re: Slayton "should" be back
May 07, 2024, 04:35:06 PM
Quote from: B1GBLUE on May 07, 2024, 04:10:11 PMcomes down to perception is reality. those guys are putting up 100/1400/10 seasons. slayton isnt. they could have way more drops but their production outweighs it. not entirely on slayton, but it doesnt help him

Hence the reason I said, "percentage-wise". That list of the top 25 players for dropped passes is "percentage", and includes plenty of names that are considered stars of the game. Slayton has a better percentage average of caught passes. His low number of drops is not due to few passes, but ratjer that he catches more balls than average receivers..."percentage-wise"

But I couldn't agree more that "perception is reality" and perception always trumps facts and data...and Slayton has been called a pass dropping WR, so every drop screams to fans that the player is worthless, damn the facts. And you are also right that Slayton is not targeted as often as the stars of the game. And he will be targeted less now that we actually have a WR room to share the passes...and Nabers will get the bulk of them. Hopefully, some talking head doesn't call him a "pass dropper" or it will follow him throughout his career, even when he has a higher percentage of caught passes than other studs of the game
#13
A lot rides on the season for Jones. Fans tend to think a QB should "take the game over" and become a gun slinging QB, and "make it all happen". The trouble is, the OC makes the calls, not the QB. Jones will do whatever his coach tells him to do as they design the plays based on the defenses he's facing. The last time I remember a QB calling his own plays (before the hike as well as on the fly) was Roger Staubach, who worked so closely with Tom Landry that their minds were like one. Landry let him go and run the team from the field while giving lightly controlled plans...and it worked. It worked because Staubach was athletic, but more importantly, had a very high football IQ that was inate to him

Jones will never be treated the way Staubach was treated, and he'll march to the step his coaches lay out for him. If he doesn't work out, or gets injured, we'll get to find out what we have in Drew Lock, and I suspect Schoen will be wheeling and dealing to get to the top of the draft for Carson Beck next season. We'll just have to watch the games this season and see what works out. My suspicions are that DJ is on a short rope. I'm rooting for him to excell far beyond the legion of negativity from an impatient fanbase. We shall see
#14
There's plus/minus advantages to being a "ball hawk". A true ball hawk is always aware of the ball...more so than the player he's supposed to guard. Those who aren't ball hawks, tend to pay super close attention to the receiver to stop him from catching the ball, it is first and foremost in their repertoire (enter Andru Phillips a "sticky CB")

Last year, I was sold on Emmanuel Forbes Jr., even though he was very skinny and not a physical back. I wanted him for our first round draft pick, but he was already gone to the Commanders when we were on the clock. I remember groaning as I watched his name come off the board. Well, anyway, he was so bad in his rookie year that he was benched halfway through the season. With a PFF grade of about 50, he had a total of 1 takeaway for the year, whilst allowing 37 catches for 598 yards and three touchdowns in an abbreviated season (for him)

Previous write-up on Forbes (before the draft): "Emmanuel Forbes Jr. is one of the best ball-hawking cornerbacks in college football history, as he had 14 interceptions and ran an FBS record six back for a touchdown during his three seasons at Mississippi State...". But (and that's a big "but"), the NFL is a different animal than college. WRs are fully aware of all the tactics used by CBs and know how to mess up "ball hawks" who don't pay enough attention to the receiver's moves and pay too much attention to the ball

Suffice it to say, Dan Quinn was not happy with Forbes' performance. Whether or not Quinn can turn Forbes around is yet to be seen
#15
Big Blue Huddle / Rookie Minicamp
May 07, 2024, 09:11:30 AM
Finally, a chance to get to meet some of our draftees after the "lull after the storm". Very little news post-draft other than a variety of opinions on the draft. Hopefully, the Giants do a nice job of releasing videos of our new guys. A couple days away (May 9-11)