NY Post article: Why the Giants decided it was finally time to trade Toney

[Blue Fire]

https://nypost.com/2022/10/27/why-the-giants-decided-it-was-time-to-trade-kadarius-toney/

The final straw that led to his departure. Apparently coaches wanted Toney to stay at the facility with the trainers during bye week and he wanted to leave town.

[MightyGiants]

The article seemed long on speculation and short on actual sources and detail

[Slugsy-Narrows]

This should have just been put on one of the 2+ KT traded threads.  Can we just merge it somewhere?


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[Ed Vette]

The article is somewhat speculative. The unnamed source didn't say it was a member of the organization that commented on the bye week issue.

The article by Paul Schwartz said that he wanted to practice Wednesday and they kept him out. Already on thin ice the plan was to have him practice on Friday and if all went well he would play Sunday. But if not, he would have to stay. He wouldn't be given a choice but if he's not required to stay via CBA and he left anyway then that would be a big deal. The article didn't touch on that aspect.

Ultimately it was a risk reward decision based on his health weighed against his marketability. They apparently had already made a decision on him and it wouldn't change unless he broke out. They got an offer and took it because they had no faith in him for many reasons. 

[Rambo89]

You always see reports like this pop up after a guy is dealt in these situations.  TBH I don't really care the deal itself told me there were issues and that the Giants wanted to move on.  It was easy to move on when he had contributed just about nothing this season.

[True Blue]

A link to an article with no evidence, mostly pure speculation, and little substance.

Why am I not suprised 

[MightyGiants]

A link to an article with no evidence, mostly pure speculation, and little substance.

Why am I not suprised 

This one is most likely due to BF's dual membership here and at BBI.  Over at BBI the owner of the site was so impressed with this article that he felt it deserved its own thread.   I guess the owner of this site tends to be more mindful of speculation vs. reporting. 

[beaugestus]

I don't get it, why are people defending him because they say the article is speculative? I find it logical considering who they are dealing with. What are they supposed to do making them cow tow to his wishes because he has plans? I wouldn't trust his judgement a player who came back too early, making sure he was completely healed, and they wouldn't have to go around the merry-go-round again? If it walks like a duck, it's a duck.

[MightyGiants]

I don't get it, why are people defending him because they say the article is speculative? I find it logical considering who they are dealing with. What are they supposed to do making them cow tow to his wishes because he has plans? I wouldn't trust his judgement a player who came back to early, making sure he was completely healed, and they wouldn't have to go around the merry-go-round again? If it walks like a duck, it's a duck.

John,

I don't think people are defending Toney.  They are just holding reporters accountable and to a standard where they don't pass off their speculation as actual news.

[DaveBrown74]

I read this article myself this AM and was a bit disappointed with it for reasons already listed in this thread, but also because the Post is usually very solid for local sports coverage.

[MightyGiants]

I read this article myself this AM and was a bit disappointed with it for reasons already listed in this thread, but also because the Post is usually very solid for local sports coverage.

More specifically it was from Paul Schwartz who usually does a solid job (in my opinion this article really wasn't up to his standards)

[AZGiantFan]

John,

I don't think people are defending Toney.  They are just holding reporters accountable and to a standard where they don't pass off their speculation as actual news.

He said he had a source and everything in that article is consistent with Toney's history here, so I think it is a little more than pure speculation.  It fits the image that Toney has projected of not doing things that are voluntary, like OTAs.  If a reporter's reporting is dismissed as speculative because he doesn't name his source then to be consistent we would have to dismiss almost everything that is printed.

And when a reporter has heretofore been solid maybe he should be given the benefit of the doubt?

[Thegratefulhead]

Article is meaningless.  The only reason you trade a first round pick in the middle of the season when you are thin at the position is because removing him would help the team.  They were getting zero production from him.  The article just speculates on what we know in general from his own tweets and statements.  He did not want to be here and glad he is gone.  I am too.

[Giant Obsession]

Whatever the reason Toney was a disgrace to Mark Bavaro's number.  I never say or wish such a thing, but I hope he get wheeled.  I know, bad on me.

The least the Giants should do is to send Mark Bavaro an apology.