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Quote from: kartanoman on Today at 09:15:08 AMP.S. Joe Schoen revealed his draft strategy and went with plan 1B (Nabers) after taking a crack at 1A (Trading up with NE for pick 3). I think his intent was clear regarding Jones' replacement vs. giving him a real receiver plus fixing the offensive line this off-season.

100% this.

I also wanted to get a replacement for Jones but my caveat was that it had to be someone Schoen and Daboll had the utmost confidence in that he could be the franchise QB for the next 10-15 years. They made a play for him and it didn't work. And I'm 100% OK with how the draft shook out for us.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:15:53 AM           

I will admit that some of that is assuming that Jones is healthy and will get a chance to operate in at least a minimally supportive NFL quarterback environment this season.  Plus, we have 2022, where DJ did operate in a less-than-ideal, but at least not dysfunctional (like 2023) environment.  Much like Schoen and Daboll were able to evaluate Jones enough in 2022 to give him his big contract.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:12:21 AMTim,

I can't disagree with your sentiment.   I will say, though, if you don't like being second-guessed, being an NFL GM (or head coach) is the wrong career choice.  Being an armchair GM/HC/QB is part of the fun of being a fan.

As a fan, and in general, I try not to engage in it. It's self-defeatist, in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure all GMs and coaches know being second-guessed by fans and the media are a part of the job. They expect it and it probably doesn't phase them.

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:10:20 AMI don't think that will be the case. I assume you put me in the "pro-Jones" camp.  I believe even with disparate support, we can get a sense of how good another QB is.

            

There is no guarantee that any of those quarterbacks, even if they demonstrate "success" on their current teams, would accomplish the same with the Giants.

You want the QB, you lose the WR. Slayton remains your #1 for better or worse. The talk about everything else remains the same.

So, it comes down to the same old argument. Is it one of the QBs available at pick six (NOTE: not just McCarthy) or is it Nabers?

You've got your chocolate in my peanut butter! No!!! You've got your peanut butter all over my chocolate!

And, as the legendary Chris Allen would say ...

"And the beat goes on!!!"

Goodnight Gracie!

Peace!

P.S. Joe Schoen revealed his draft strategy and went with plan 1B (Nabers) after taking a crack at 1A (Trading up with NE for pick 3). I think his intent was clear regarding Jones' replacement vs. giving him a real receiver plus fixing the offensive line this off-season.

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Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 09:11:43 AMMost of the playoffs team we face are in our division besides Tampa and Baltimore.

That is how you can finish 3rd in your division and still have the 6th hardest, on paper, schedule

Quote from: T200 on Today at 09:02:43 AM1) No

2) No

3) No

Playing the hindsight game is pointless, IMO. Decisions are made with as much information that is available at that time. He made what he thought were the best choices for this team given the many circumstances. He, and we as fans, will live with those decisions. Anybody can sit back and second-guess and we all can sit behind our keyboards with zero pressure and say what we would do. But put us in the spotlight and on the hot seat and things look a lot different.

What's done is done. We press forward and move on.

If one of the three QBs that Schoen (and Mara) passed on has an outstanding season, here's what's going to happen here at the BBH:

- There will be a litany of "I told you so" threads from folks who wanted to move on from Jones
- There will be a ton of pushback from Jones supporters saying, "It's only one season. Daniel had a great 2022 and won a playoff game."
- There will be the same regurgitated arguments for and against Jones. The horse will be resuscitated to only be beaten to death again. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Tim,

I can't disagree with your sentiment.   I will say, though, if you don't like being second-guessed, being an NFL GM (or head coach) is the wrong career choice.  Being an armchair GM/HC/QB is part of the fun of being a fan.

Most of the playoffs team we face are in our division besides Tampa and Baltimore.

Quote from: TONKA56 on Today at 08:55:29 AMI predict that if JJ McCarthy goes on to have an excellent career, the pro-Jones camp will attribute it to the team around him while the anti-Jones camp will put Schoen in the crosshairs for it, with the occasional mention of a Mara ultimatum.

I don't think that will be the case. I assume you put me in the "pro-Jones" camp.  I believe even with disparate support, we can get a sense of how good another QB is.  I don't even think JJ (a prospect I liked) needs to be better than Jones to question passing on him.  There is the issue of the cheap rookie contract that comes with JJ that would have helped the Giants salary cap.

In my opinion, passing on the three QBs comes with significant risk for Schoen and the company.  I have to think that they are banking on Jones having a comeback (or failing that being in a position to acquire his replacement next offseason) or they truly don't see the 3 prospects available to them as being anything special.