Big Blue Huddle

Now that Goff got his new contact

https://x.com/the33rdteamfb/status/1790124808077779248?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1790119575582917024?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 10:15:43 AMFlott is 6'0.5. He came out of College at 165 lbs. He's still a lightweight at 175. If Daboll likes him outside, it portends the type of Coverage the new DC will employ. He is not a Press Corner. Unfortunately, he has not improved over the years and is not only a liability in Run Support, he gets manhandled by bigger Receivers. Although he has decent back-peddle and fluid hips, he's not fast and can get faked out by jukes. He has short arms, small hands, a weak Span, and a lousy Vertical. His size was good for the Slot but his weak Run Support was an issue and I remember sitting with Bobby Skinner at Camp discussing the frustration with Flott. Of course, anyone was better than Darnay Holmes. Put him on the outside and he's going to get burned over the top and fall down and play dead at second-level Run Support. Saquon Barkley is licking his chops just thinking about it. Sorry Ric @Jolly Blue Giant, but you and I are going to have to disagree on this one. He's getting bumped by Phillips who will have the same issues but at least he's more physical although a bad tackler. If an aging Adoree was a 7, Flott is a 5.

I wouldn't argue that you're wrong (I do hope so, but that's hope).  I am somewhat comforted by the idea that Flott will need to beat out Hawkins and McCloud to win that job.

Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan
The Giants will be celebrating their 100th season this year.

Among the activations:

— Naming top 100 players
— 100th season day at Yankee Stadium
— "The Duke" documentary
— 10 $100K grants being presented by The Giants Foundation

The logo below will be used throughout the season. Crazy details.

Zeroes are shaped like Giants Stadium. Shield is shaped like their first home, the Polo Grounds. The eight laces symbolize eight NFL championships. The figure inspired by the classic Giant skyline logo.

https://x.com/JordanRaanan/status/1790022997777981949

https://x.com/Giants/status/1790018675661000705

https://x.com/Giants/status/1790021680364220626

https://x.com/Giants/status/1789067898880757793

I think the Giants have two outstanding position coaches who have done a solid job developing talent

D-line coach- Andre Patterson
DB coach/passing game coordinator- Jerome Henderson

Both of these coaches have done a great job getting the most out of questionable talent

Then there is the imported O-line coach, Carmen Bricillo, who has never coached an O-line that was top 10 according to PFF

I think ILB coach, John Egorugwu, has done a pretty good job in the past 2-years coaching up the ILBs


Beyond that, I think the other position coaches have been average at best.

Former NFL defensive lineman Chris Long explains the challenges of putting on weight in the offseason, and the variation between nutrition amongst the three franchises he played for in his career.

https://www.the33rdteam.com/how-nfl-players-put-on-maintain-weight/

This got me interested in NYG's nutritionist

Stephen Smith RD CSSD LD
 


Johnson & Wales University
BS, Culinary Nutrition
2005 - 2009

Appalachian State University
Hospitality and Tourism Management
2004 - 20052004 - 2005


Texas A&M University
MS - In progress, Sport Physiology


Director of Sports & Performance Nutrition

New York Football Giants · Full-time
Sep 2020 - Present · 3 yrs 9 mos
East Rutherford, New Jersey, United States

Applied Sports Dietitian
Targeted Performance Nutrition/Fueling Performance
Jul 2018 - Present · 5 yrs 11 mos
Houston, Texas
Private Practice - Consulting, Program Development, Product Development, University Consulting, Research Consulting, Individual Clients

Texas Children's
Sports Dietitian - Adolescent Medicine
Texas Children's Hospital
May 2018 - Oct 2020 · 2 yrs 6 mos
Houston, Texas

Houston Texans logo
Dietitian/Sports Performance Coordinator
Houston Texans
Jun 2014 - Mar 2018 · 3 yrs 10 mos
Houston, Texas

USASOC
Performance Dietitian
USASOC
Feb 2013 - May 2014 · 1 yr 4 mosos
Clarksville, Tennessee Area

https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephen-smith-rd-cssd-ld-89131a11/

Quote from: Trench on May 12, 2024, 01:03:50 PMThe biggest problem in that Dallas Game was Jones played scared and had a deer in headlights look. One thing he must improve upon is success on national tv games. He melts in those spots

Quote from: Trench on May 12, 2024, 02:40:13 PMJones was horrible that game let's not forget that. He melted

Jones dropped back 28 times in that game.  Of those 28 dropbacks, he was sacked 7 times, hit 6 times, and hurried 24 times.   Do you think that it's possible (even if remotely) that might have impacted DJ's game?  Plus it was pouring rain

https://x.com/BigBlueVCR/status/1789686974712062413

https://x.com/clt_ny/status/1789703237722894362

The Giants seemed to have gone the longest without one

Quote from: Trench on May 12, 2024, 12:55:25 PMI will clarify as u are correct - Jones AND the other QBs. Certainly don't wanna upset the jones or bust club

Being factually correct and not unfairly bashing the Giants' starting quarterback would be enough incentive, but okay. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 12, 2024, 01:16:26 PM"So, perhaps unfairly, he lands here, capped, in a way, by the lingering uncertainty around what Daniel Jones will bring to the table."

Where in that is there hate? You automatically assume he is speaking to Jones play when he could simply be speaking about his health. So without knowing the context it is beyond ridiculous to assume the guy is slamming Jones.

The author brings up major players for every team that the player is going to. They bring up A Rodgers on the Hassan Reddick trade, all the Titans offensive weapons when discussing the Sneed trade, and so on. Jones was not singled out or treated any different than anyone else in the article.

Lingering uncertainty to what Jones brings to the table is more than likely referring to his health.

I saw both you and @DaveBrown74 bring up injuries.  That seems to be an invention to let the author off the hook, though, as the author never suggested he had injury concerns.  He said "limitations," which implies talent, rather than "uncertainty," which one might claim is an injury issue (even if the author never mentioned injury concerns

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 12, 2024, 11:20:04 AMMy original point was that you had people on this forum saying the Giants were going to be "something special" in 2023 based on their observations over the summer through the preseason, and that the eventual reality on the ground was in stark contrast to that. I further noted that that disconnect has occurred plenty of times in the past, both with us and with other fan bases around the league. I specifically noted the disconnect between the intense optimism seen here and the woefully poor performance in week one, which is generally the most reflective week of how well prepared the team was over the various stages of camp and the preseason.

You seemed to disagree with (and want to discredit) my observation by pointing out that Waller, who played the whole game and for another 7 weeks after that, wasn't 100% perfectly healthy and that Andrew Thomas missed some of the game. I personally don't agree that those two issues are why we lost 40-0 or that had every relevant member of the team been 100% healthy (an extreme rarity for any NFL team in any game), that things would have been dramatically different in that game.

To me that game illustrated a lack of preparation of the team and also the team's lack of overall talent and depth. To isolate one or two injuries, even to starters, simply does not debunk the above.

Andrew Thomas did more than just "miss part of the game", he got on the FG attempt that ended the first drive.  Why understate the magnitude of Thomas' injury and its impact on the game?

Quote from: Philosophers on May 12, 2024, 01:22:39 PMGuys - almost all of the pressure in the Dallas game came from the right side of the OL.  Thomas and Waller would not have mattered.  Neal got destroyed by 9 tech edges and 5-7 tech twists.

That is true.  Although once Thomas was injured, the Giants could no longer afford to send the O-line help to Neal and leave Thomas on an island

Quote from: CVA14 on May 12, 2024, 01:15:03 PMMighty your first para  suggests that except for his height he has the raw material to become a pass rusher, doesn't it

He's a bit of a longshot, but he might eventually prove to be a rotational pass rusher

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 12, 2024, 11:07:18 AMSo your argument is that if both of those players had been 100% healthy in all four quarters, we would have instead looked good in that game instead of losing 40-0?

I am not sure what the point of that extreme binary question is.   Are you suggesting the offense wouldn't have looked significantly better with their two most important players healthy?

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 12, 2024, 11:04:16 AMHow did any of those impact the week one game, which is what I was referencing?

Thomas was injured very early in the game and Waller had been injured prior to the game and was not playing like he had in camp.