If you believe the Giants are out of the running in terms of the top 3 QB prospects, pretty much every QB that the Giants might consider targeting (with the exception of JJ McCarthy) will be at the Senior Bowl. Here are QBs that we should be focusing on (I will combine my thoughts with Draft network quick writeups)
Bo Nix (likely gone in round 1, how high will depend on the pre-draft process)
Age 23 (turns 24 in February)
Height: 6'2" | Weight: 217 lbs
Bo Nix has stats and grades that match up with the elite QBs in this draft. There is some that believe he was a system QB, so how he performs at the Senior Bowl will be quite telling
Bo Nix, Oregon
Full Scouting Report (https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/10/bo-nix-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024)
What a week it'll be for Nix. An underappreciated talent in the class, the rapid improvement shown by Nix from his time at Auburn to his two seasons at Oregon was sensational. He's extremely mature, operates with a high level of efficiency, and rarely puts the football in precarious situations. He ranked first among 30 Power Five QBs (with at least 2,700 yards passing) in turnover-worthy plays with just five.
PFF stats
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Michael Penix Jr. (could go as high as round 1 or as low as day 3 depending on medicals)
Age 23 (turns 24 in May)
Height: 6'3" | Weight: 213 lbs
Penix is an elite-level thrower, even by NFL standards. There are questions about his game, and the senior bowl may help answer some. Penix has a serious injury history that could cause this otherwise talented QB to drop.
Michael Penix Jr., Washington
Full Scouting Report (https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/02/michael-penix-jr-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024)
Penix Jr. can solidify himself as a first-round pick in Mobile. We know the arm talent, and it was nice to have Rome Odunze, Jalen McMillan, and Ja'Lynn Polk on the perimeter, but working in a neutral environment in a different offensive architecture will paint a clear picture toward Penix's floor moving forward. He surely won't be shy in stretching the field, but taking what's given, staying true to his mechanics, and remaining calm when chaos ensues around his feet are just a few things league evaluators will have a keen eye on.
PFF Stats
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Michael Pratt (likely 3rd round target who could move up to round 2 with good draft process)
Age 22 (turns 23 in September)
Height: 6024v | Weight: 219 lbs
Michael Pratt, Tulane
Full Scouting Report (https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/19/michael-pratt-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024)
Pratt is a mature signal-caller who I'm excited to see go to work in Mobile. In the pocket, Pratt's experience shines as a processor presnap. He's quick to identify depth and principles of outside coverage. He has clean mechanics with a smooth delivery and easy zip, as well. Pratt can, at times, pull the string a little too much when asked to layer throws, but often drops it right into the bucket. He's not the most elite athlete at the position, but when asked to extend plays, he has no issue doing so to move the sticks.
PFF Stats
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Spencer Rattler (likely 3rd round that could move up to 2 with a good draft process)
Age 23 (turns 24 in September)
Height: 6'1 | Weight: 217 lbs
If you want accuracy this guy is your man. He is a long-time prospect who is a bit like Baker Mayfield.
Spencer Rattler, South Carolina
Full Scouting Report (https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/12/spencer-rattler-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024)
If you haven't checked out the South Carolina Gamecocks since the back end of 2022, take a few minutes and flip on Rattler's tape. A former five-star recruit and the No. 1 ranked QB in the 2019 class, his ability to evolve under center after transferring to South Carolina from Oklahoma was a joy to study. His mechanics and pocket presence are outstanding. He can rip it both inside the tackles and on the move and showed the ability to consistently make throws with bodies swarming around his feet. He has the type of athletic confidence I love under center and I'm excited to see him compete.
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Joe Milton III (depends on the draft process, currently day 3 but could climb all the way to bottom of round 1)
Age 23 (turns 24 in March)
Joe Milton has only one year starting, but if you like cannon arms, he is your man. Think prospects like Anthony Richardson and Josh Allen (not saying as good but similar negatives and positives). If he shows accuracy at the Senior Bowl, watch his stock climb. He was a career college backup until this past season.
Joe Milton III, Tennessee
Full Scouting Report (https://thedraftnetwork.com/2023/12/20/joe-milton-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2024)
Milton III looks the part at 6-foot-5 and can rip it as well as anyone in the class. However, I'm interested to see Milton's efficiency over the middle of the field and ability to layer throws at a variety of depths with consistency. We know he can sling it 70 yards on a rope, but taking the underneath throws and quickly developing a rapport with wideouts he's never worked with in a neutral environment will speak volumes. He's got a ton of the traits you look for in a potential starter on Sundays. Per one AFC rep, "I'd be shocked if he [Milton] gets out of the top 100 [picks]."
PFF Stats
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https://www.thedraftnetwork.com/2024/01/23/senior-bowl-2024-qb
For those who would like to watch video scouting reports
Bo Nix
Michael Pennix
Michael Pratt
Spencer Rattler
Joe Milton
These are just sample video reports; most of the prospects have at least 2 or 3 good ones. Just go to Youtube and search- prospect's name scouting report and a list will come up (I tend to favor the more recent reports)
https://www.youtube.com/
My thought is the Giants will have options.
Round one- Is Nix worth the 6th overall pick?
Round two- If Pennix is there, is it worth the medical risk? If JJ McCarthy is, is he worth the pick?
Round three- Is it worth taking a flyer on Rattler, Pratt, or perhaps Milton (if Milton falls, it's worth a day 3 flyer just on traits)? Could Rattler or Pratt impress to the point of being worth the latter 2nd rounder?
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 28, 2024, 10:29:18 AMMy thought is the Giants will have options.
Round one- Is Nix worth the 6th overall pick?
Round two- If Pennix is there, is it worth the medical risk? If JJ McCarthy is, is he worth the pick?
Round three- Is it worth taking a flyer on Rattler, Pratt, or perhaps Milton (if Milton falls, it's worth a day 3 flyer just on traits)? Could Rattler or Pratt impress to the point of being worth the latter 2nd rounder?
THere is a football writer, I forgot his name , who is very high on Spencer Rattler. He thinks he could turn out to be the best of the QBS in the draft. He is not advocating picking Rattler with the 6th pick.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 28, 2024, 10:29:18 AMMy thought is the Giants will have options.
Round one- Is Nix worth the 6th overall pick?
Round two- If Pennix is there, is it worth the medical risk? If JJ McCarthy is, is he worth the pick?
Round three- Is it worth taking a flyer on Rattler, Pratt, or perhaps Milton (if Milton falls, it's worth a day 3 flyer just on traits)? Could Rattler or Pratt impress to the point of being worth the latter 2nd rounder?
MG, those are, as of late January, the most probable options. There will be many others as we get closer to April.
Another option, though it's a long shot, is that the Giants could try to trade for the number one pick. It would be a risky move, but it is a possibility.
Also, as the teams evaluate these QBs much more closely, their status might change. Everyone right now has Williams, Maye and Daniels as locks going one, two and three. Maybe one of the top three teams find flaws in them and deem them not worthy of that high a pick? Maybe Nix, Penix and/or McCarthy elevate themselves in the evaluation process? Maybe Washington, after hiring Ben Johnson as head coach, decides, especially after, as a Detroit coach, seeing him play twice a year, that they will trade a second round (or third round, not sure what value he has), for Justin Fields, use their second pick on Harrison Jr, to team with their other very good WR, and go from there instead of gambling on Maye or Daniels. There will be multiple scenarios that might play out before draft day so, yes, everyone right now has the three QBs going first, that could very well change. I will say that Williams, of the the three, will not move. He will be the first pick. But it might not be Chicago who picks him. Maybe they swap with Washington, keep Fields, and draft the very talented Marvin Harrison? So many thing could happen between now and April's draft.
Quote from: katkavage on January 28, 2024, 11:18:51 AMMG, those are, as of late January, the most probable options. There will be many others as we get closer to April.
Another option, though it's a long shot, is that the Giants could try to trade for the number one pick. It would be a risky move, but it is a possibility.
Also, as the teams evaluate these QBs much more closely, their status might change. Everyone right now has Williams, Maye and Daniels as locks going one, two and three. Maybe one of the top three teams find flaws in them and deem them not worthy of that high a pick? Maybe Nix, Penix and/or McCarthy elevate themselves in the evaluation process? Maybe Washington, after hiring Ben Johnson as head coach, decides, especially after, as a Detroit coach, seeing him play twice a year, that they will trade a second round (or third round, not sure what value he has), for Justin Fields, use their second pick on Harrison Jr, to team with their other very good WR, and go from there instead of gambling on Maye or Daniels. There will be multiple scenarios that might play out before draft day so, yes, everyone right now has the three QBs going first, that could very well change. I will say that Williams, of the the three, will not move. He will be the first pick. But it might not be Chicago who picks him. Maybe they swap with Washington, keep Fields, and draft the very talented Marvin Harrison? So many thing could happen between now and April's draft.
No doubt things can and likely will change. However, there are only a few things that will move the needle and the Senior Bowl is a big one. That's why I did this, so that we are up to speed and can participate or at least appreciate the changes you speak of. The Combine and interviews will be the other major movers with pro days playing a lesser role.
Later I will do similar writeup for McCarthy and perhaps the top 3.
In terms of trading up, I consider that a major Longshot. Teams needing QBs don't trade away there chance to draft an elete QB.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 28, 2024, 11:26:10 AMIn terms of trading up, I consider that a major Longshot. Teams needing QBs don't trade away there chance to draft an elete QB.
Totally agree. The only chance is the Bears, and I view it as a low probability chance. Most likely they're going to take a QB. The only vestige of hope I have is that they didn't fire their head coach, which might point towards a continuity theme. Fields also played well down the stretch last year, and the fans are very much behind him. I'd give it a 20% or so chance that they keep him and trade down. If that's the case, I hope Schoen is in Poles' ear early and often in the process and is prepared to do whatever it takes. I know many disagree with me on that stance, and that's obviously fine.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 28, 2024, 11:37:55 AMTotally agree. The only chance is the Bears, and I view it as a low probability chance. Most likely they're going to take a QB. The only vestige of hope I have is that they didn't fire their head coach, which might point towards a continuity theme. Fields also played well down the stretch last year, and the fans are very much behind him. I'd give it a 20% or so chance that they keep him and trade down. If that's the case, I hope Schoen is in Poles' ear early and often in the process and is prepared to do whatever it takes. I know many disagree with me on that stance, and that's obviously fine.
I agree. Williams will be the first pick, but there will be knocks on Daniels and Maye as the evaluation process heats up as well as praise for Penix, Nix, and McCarthy.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on January 28, 2024, 11:37:55 AMI know many disagree with me on that stance, and that's obviously fine.
It just doesn't make sense given the lack of talent across the roster and the need to add starters on both sides of the ball.
Based on the haul the Bears got last year, you're looking at trading #6, #39, and next year's first - plus a player similar to DJ Moore - to move up to #1. Let's say the Giants stick and draft Nabers at #6, McCarthy/Nix at #39, and Will Johnson (CB) with next year's first. There's no way I'm trading a legit #1 WR, a lockdown CB, a QB who could be on par/slightly less than Williams, plus someone like McKinney just to get Williams on a roster devoid of talent.
Quote from: Stringer Bell on January 28, 2024, 12:18:21 PMIt just doesn't make sense given the lack of talent across the roster and the need to add starters on both sides of the ball.
Based on the haul the Bears got last year, you're looking at trading #6, #39, and next year's first - plus a player similar to DJ Moore - to move up to #1. Let's say the Giants stick and draft Nabers at #6, McCarthy/Nix at #39, and Will Johnson (CB) with next year's first. There's no way I'm trading a legit #1 WR, a lockdown CB, a QB who could be on par/slightly less than Williams, plus someone like McKinney just to get Williams on a roster devoid of talent.
It really depends on that comparison with Williams. If you see someone obtainable without a trade on a similar level to Williams then it makes sense to not trade. If you view William's as head and shoulders above the rest as some scouts seem to, then it's worth making the trade.
This will be a monster decision for them. So many 1st round QBs are failures. To trade up, give up so much draft capital then get an Akili Smith would be a disaster.
I hope the Giants make up with Kafka and get a big intel dump of all the Senior Bowl players, particularly the QBs. He should have a great sense of the intangible qualities of those players.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 28, 2024, 04:20:39 PMThis will be a monster decision for them. So many 1st round QBs are failures. To trade up, give up so much draft capital then get an Akili Smith would be a disaster.
That's the nature of the job. To not take the risk, watch others get better around you while you flounder in mediocrity is also risky. Do your homework and do what you feel is best. Live with the consequences.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 28, 2024, 07:01:01 PMI hope the Giants make up with Kafka and get a big intel dump of all the Senior Bowl players, particularly the QBs. He should have a great sense of the intangible qualities of those players.
If he had a HC opportunity, wouldn't he have been offered by now, or would those teams be waiting for the playoff teams open up? I doubt they will let him go to a lateral position as they like him and his potential. That's a great point you make about getting the intel on the QB class and rest. It would make me feel good about the pick.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 28, 2024, 07:01:01 PMI hope the Giants make up with Kafka and get a big intel dump of all the Senior Bowl players, particularly the QBs. He should have a great sense of the intangible qualities of those players.
Ranaan is reporting that he's heard from somebody who knows somebody that Kafka is so upset with his treatment that he plans to sabotage Daboll's efforts to find a QB with false intel ;)
Quote from: katkavage on January 28, 2024, 07:13:29 PMThat's the nature of the job. To not take the risk, watch others get better around you while you flounder in mediocrity is also risky. Do your homework and do what you feel is best. Live with the consequences.
After reading that Dabs may have some anger issues I am not sure about trusting anyone's due diligence there.
Quote from: Philosophers on January 28, 2024, 09:13:51 PMAfter reading that Dabs may have some anger issues I am not sure about trusting anyone's due diligence there.
I'm referring to Schoen, not Daboll. Schoen makes the pick. But if you are questioning Schoen's judgement in choosing Daboll as head coach, then who he picks is moot. This will all blow up again soon.
@MightyGiants - based on everything you've read, listened to and seen, what would be your course of action if you were GM?
Quote from: EDjohnst1981 on January 29, 2024, 07:26:16 AM@MightyGiants - based on everything you've read, listened to and seen, what would be your course of action if you were GM?
I assume you are talking about QBs. Currently, there are three that I think could potentially prove to be the answer for the Giants.
There are two QBs who are possible first-round talents that I think could be nice picks for the Giants. That's Bo Nix and JJ McCarthy. Both were extremely productive college QBs. I will be watching Bo Nix closely at the Senior Bowl. I want to see if he can show quality processing (a bit tricky at the SB, but it's at least some hints). Unfortunately, we really won't learn much more about McCarthy outside of the Combine and his Pro Day. 6th seems a bit high for both, so perhaps a small trade-down might be tempting, assuming both targets are worth drafting. I wish we could learn about Nix's S-2 (or whatever they call that speed test) score. The arm strength demonstrated at the Combine (assuming he throws) for McCarthy will also be interesting.
If both of those proved not to be worth a 6th (or higher first-round), I want to see what Michael Pratt, Tulane, does at the Senior Bowl (along with Milton). One of these guys could impress to the point where they would be nice round 2 targets. If they don't shine in the draft process, both could be round 3 options. Another 3rd rounder, if other plans fall through, is Spenser Rattler.
I simply don't see a trade-up option as possible or even wise, so I don't consider it. So here are my choices in order (drop to the next one if the one fails)
1) Hope one of the elite 3 drops to NGY at 6
2) Bo Nix or McCarthy impress to the point that drafting them at 6 is a good idea
3) Failing that, perhaps Nix or McCarthy drop low enough in round one that the Giants trade back up to round one to snag one
4) Pratt or Milton impress to the point that they are a good pick in round 2 (need to sign solid Vet)
5) Pratt or Milton don't impress, and they are a third-round option along with Rattler, and there would be a need to sign a solid veteran backup or potentially trade for a quality backup (I like Taylor, but he is simply too injury-prone, never saw a QB you worry about making it through series rather than games or seasons)
Quote from: Philosophers on January 28, 2024, 07:01:01 PMI hope the Giants make up with Kafka and get a big intel dump of all the Senior Bowl players, particularly the QBs. He should have a great sense of the intangible qualities of those players.
Actually, Kafka is an HC of theShrine Bowl
At the Senior Bowl:
Quarterbacks coach Shea Tierney and assistant special teams coach Mike Adams will be coordinators for the game.
Former NFL GM Rick Spielman breaks down Oregon QB Bo Nix ahead of the 2024 Reese's Senior Bowl and how he can improve his draft stock.
https://www.the33rdteam.com/will-bo-nixs-draft-stock-rise-at-the-senior-bowl/
Here is a nice article on the Senior Bowl QBs
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/top-qbs-senior-bowl-2024/
I like Pratt the most out of the senior bowl attendees.
For what it's worth, Bobby breaks down what he saw from Pennix and Nix in their fist practice
https://x.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1752385133548868092?s=20
https://x.com/daverichard/status/1752436329512620464?s=46&t=1vcQIN8GqF5J2oLdxEVEJQ
Perhaps the most scrutinized players in Mobile this week will be Oregon quarterback Bo Nix and Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. Of the two, Nix is the higher-rated signal-caller for the 2024 NFL Draft, with multiple team sources having said they see Nix having first-round potential. Sources from a number of NFL teams, meanwhile, told WalterFootball.com they had Penix projected to the second day of the 2024 NFL Draft.
The first practice of Senior Bowl is typically a bit sloppy for quarterbacks, as they are working with new centers and wide receivers. That was evident as usual, but Nix still showed strong fundamentals in his opening session of the week.
Nix jumps out as having good footwork and mechanics. He lines up his feet in the old-school way, with his right foot forward on shotgun snaps, and that is the starting off point for him to be an accurate quarterback. Nix did well in the wide receiver-versus-cornerback one-on-ones, throwing passes on time and lofting in very catchable balls. The one thing missing from Nix is special arm talent. That could be seen in the team scrimmage, when he had Michigan wide receiver Roman Wilson running open on a deep out and the pass was underthrown for an incompletion. Nix's arm is good enough to start in the NFL, but he will have to be an effective player via his accuracy, decision-making, and athletic ability.
Penix did not blow the doors off the practice, but it was not a terrible showing either. He has a quality arm to make all the throws, but his footwork and fundamentals need work. The inconsistenues in those latter two areas lead to inaccuracy and streakiness as a passer. Penix also needs to gain weight for the NFL. He looked skinny and underdeveloped. The lower mass gives some answers as to why he struggled to stay healthy in college. Penix is known to not be a devoted patron of the weight room, and that is going to need to change at the pro level.
https://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2024practice.php
Biggest takeaway of Tuesday's afternoon practice
The American team roster has four quarterbacks but in the two-hour afternoon practice on Tuesday, none of them emerged from the pack. Spencer Rattler (South Carolina), Joe Milton III (Tennessee), Michael Pratt (Tulane) and Carter Bradley (South Alabama) shared reps throughout practice, but it was a noticeable difference between these four passers and what we saw earlier in the day from Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) and Bo Nix (Oregon). Poor accuracy, a lack of rhythm and unfamiliarity with the route tree and wide receivers led to more missed passes than big plays or marquee moments.
It's not uncommon for quarterbacks to struggle on Day 1, but for the entire group to have issues settling in is more notable. We're hoping Wednesday is a crisper day for this group of signal-callers. Right now, Rattler is a potential fourth- or fifth-rounder on my board, and Milton, Pratt and Bradley are potential late-rounders or undrafted free agent signings. -- Miller
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39395071/senior-bowl-practice-updates-top-2024-nfl-draft-prospects-qbs-risers-buzz
1) Michael Penix Jr.'s arm talent stands out on Day 1.
It's tough for quarterbacks to step in and dominate on the first day of Senior Bowl practice as they acclimate to a new offense and new teammates, and each of the National Team QBs had their share of ups and downs. But of the four, Washington QB Michael Penix Jr. probably did the most to open eyes with some of his throws.
He hit Michigan WR Roman Wilson on a deep crosser to the far side of the field on one of his best throws of the day, delivering it with touch and placement between two defenders.
Penix's arm talent just looked different working next to Oregon's Bo Nix and Notre Dame's Sam Hartman. Penix also looked more comfortable taking snaps from center than the others did through one practice.
But there were at least two plays in full-team sessions where Penix likely held onto the ball too long. He also misfired on a few other passes and didn't finish his day quite as strong as he started.
The week has just begun, and Penix seemed to gain an early edge, but not so much so that the others can't catch up.
2) Experience matters for Oregon QB Bo Nix.
Nix, who left Auburn to star for the Ducks, spoke Tuesday morning about his return to his home state and what he hopes to accomplish at the Senior Bowl as a way to help launch his NFL career.
Nix said he felt his vast experience in college football (61 career starts) has helped him pick up new concepts and different terminology quickly, which can be a huge benefit during Senior Bowl week, when players are tasked with learning an offense in less than a week.
"Five offenses in five years, five different play-callers," Nix said. "So, I've been around the block."
Anyone who watched Nix play for Auburn and Oregon can attest to the differences in what he was asked to do at each place. Nix did have some underthrows as the quarterbacks and receivers started to work together for the first time on Tuesday. There also was clearly an adjustment to working under center, which Nix did very little of in college at either stop. Nix seemed to settle in more as the practice wore on, though. His footwork looked cleaner and his ball placement improved, as he hit USC WR Brennan Rice (son of legendary receiver Jerry Rice) on a nice pump-and-go for a touchdown and closed out the first team period with a good connection to Penn State TE Theo Johnson.
If Nix, who's ranked the No. 23 prospect in the draft by NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah, can improve with his comfort level and execution in the days ahead, this can be a good week for him.
https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-senior-bowl-day-1-standouts-wrs-ladd-mcconkey-roman-wilson-separating-from-pack?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb
1. Lukewarm Days for Top Quarterbacks, but Some Sleeper Standouts in Mobile
The opening practice for the National squad featured two quarterback prospects in the round one discussion for many: Michael Penix, Jr. (Washington) and Bo Nix (Oregon). Although the two brand names didn't exactly "wow" anyone, it is worth noting that it's the first time they've ever thrown to these receivers in a patchwork offense. Plus, it was a light day in terms of quarterback reps/pass attempts, so nobody should've expected fireworks. With that said, here are notes on the quarterbacks:
Up
"Bazooka" Joe Milton (Tennessee) - Milton's arm strength to drive the ball through the middle of the field and throw on the move stood out above the rest of his American squad teammates. Milton has a live arm with good arm elasticity to generate velocity from different angles and platforms. He made the best throw during a 7-on-7 session where he worked a seam route to K-State tight end Ben Sinnott and looked natural, throwing to different levels off bootleg actions. My comparison for Milton is day three Anthony Richardson. He's not as freakish with his mobility and arm talent, but it's a similar skill set as the Colts QB, who went fourth overall in 2023.
Neutral
Michael Penix (Washington) - Penix was fine. He made the best downfield throw of the day in team drills for the National offense on a crossing route to Michigan's Roman Wilson, which showed off the zip he can put on the ball to beat a closing defender to the catch point. He took a couple of sacks on reps where he appeared to have few options. Overall, he didn't help himself, but he didn't hurt himself either. Penix will have to hope his tape holds up the rest of the way because there's buzz and anticipation amongst scouts about his medical evaluations over the next few months.
Michael Pratt (Tulane) - At first, Pratt looked a little overwhelmed by the play speed and wasn't testing windows downfield even in 7-on-7. His lack of aggressiveness was worrisome, but then he dropped a nice throw in the bucket on a deep corner route. Those touch intermediate shots to crossers/corners/sail routes are Pratt's bread and butter, so it was good to see that translate from his Tulane tape to the Senior Bowl practice field.
Spencer Rattler (South Carolina) - Rattler was on my "winners" list until he threw an interception at the very end of practice. The knock on Rattler was his timing and processing speed, and he did well to get through his reads, which caught the eye of scouts in attendance. However, he threw a bad interception late in the session where he lost track of the backside corner as a crossing route developed and threw the ball right to Fresno State CB Carlton Johnston — he just didn't see him. Overall, Rattler has some starting-caliber traits to work with, but he's an up-and-down player. He's also only a shade over 6-feet tall. His lack of height was noticeable.
Down
Bo Nix - This was a rough practice for Nix, who struggled with accuracy on several missed throws. He sailed a pass wide on a bootleg crosser to Tez Walker and then threw a dirt ball to Roman Wilson on another in-breaker. Nix had first-round production this past season, but his accuracy/ball placement is very inconsistent on anything over ten air yards.
https://www.patriots.com/news/senior-bowl-notebook-standouts-from-the-first-day-of-practices-in-mobile
Interesting article on Penix Jr in the NY Times this morning. https://theathletic.com/5228052/2024/01/26/michael-penix-nfl-draft-cj-stroud/
Basically saying that some of the first round busts have never faced adversity and when they come into the NFL and do, they crumble. Penix, we know has faced plenty. Good pros and cons by scouts in the article.
Quote from: katkavage on January 31, 2024, 07:10:13 AMInteresting article on Penix Jr in the NY Times this morning. https://theathletic.com/5228052/2024/01/26/michael-penix-nfl-draft-cj-stroud/
Basically saying that some of the first round busts have never faced adversity and when they come into the NFL and do, they crumble. Penix, we know has faced plenty. Good pros and cons by scouts in the article.
I don't know who the agent for Penix is, but he is earning his money. I have seen a concerted PR campaign to spin Penix's extensive injury history into "Penix has proven he can overcome adversity". I think that is pretty clever, but the reality is the medicals on Penix will be huge.
I listened to Bill Polian on NFL Radio Late Hits talk about the QB class. He qualified that it was only day one of practice, but he didn't see any QBs (He thought Pratt impressed) that wowed him to the point that he thought they should go in round one.
You can't deny the adversity he has faced and deserves credit for his persistence. That being said, his extensive medical history is out there for all to see with nothing hidden. In the article I cited there were plenty of negatives about
Penix listed. It will be up to the NFL teams to evaluate it all and determine if he is worth the risk. No reason to read anything else into any of this or diminish what he has been through.
Quote from: katkavage on January 31, 2024, 09:55:23 AMYou can't deny the adversity he has faced and deserves credit for his persistence. That being said, his extensive medical history is out there for all to see with nothing hidden. In the article I cited there were plenty of negatives about
Penix listed. It will be up to the NFL teams to evaluate it all and determine if he is worth the risk. No reason to read anything else into any of this or diminish what he has been through.
I am not ruling Penix out (his medicals at the Combine will be huge). I was simply noting how his agent has been spinning a negative into a positive. I first noticed it in the run-up to the College Championship game, where I started to hear the narrative about overcoming adversity.
Plus, it's not as hard to "overcome adversity" behind PFF's best college pass-blocking line and throwing to the second-best receiving weapons in college football.
I heard something on the radio about Penix medical and how the combine will offer insight. This person (I think it was a former FO guy) said that he thought a lot of teams will not even have him on their boards.
He is one of the most interesting prospects in recent memory to me. Given he is a QB and has shown some ability, I could see him going at the end of the 1st round or going undrafted if medical reports are not good.
I assume there is at least 1 team that will take a flyer in a later round.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 31, 2024, 10:01:36 AMI am not ruling Penix out (his medicals at the Combine will be huge). I was simply noting how his agent has been spinning a negative into a positive. I first noticed it in the run-up to the College Championship game, where I started to hear the narrative about overcoming adversity.
Plus, it's not as hard to "overcome adversity" behind PFF's best college pass-blocking line and throwing to the second-best receiving weapons in college football.
Thanks for highlighting that last paragraph. I'm sure the scouts were unaware of it
Quote from: uconnjack8 on January 31, 2024, 10:26:19 AMI heard something on the radio about Penix medical and how the combine will offer insight. This person (I think it was a former FO guy) said that he thought a lot of teams will not even have him on their boards.
He is one of the most interesting prospects in recent memory to me. Given he is a QB and has shown some ability, I could see him going at the end of the 1st round or going undrafted if medical reports are not good.
I assume there is at least 1 team that will take a flyer in a later round.
When it comes to the injury issues, there are really two issues
1) how injury-prone is he? His injury history suggests he is injury-prone
2) have his prior ACL injuries been properly repaired, and are there arthritis issues in the repaired knee(s)? That is what the Combine will be able to determine.
Now I know many teams simply will take a guy off the board for medicals, while others may lower his grade (for being injury-prone) or will put a medical flag on his grade. That is assuming they don't find degenerative issues which will end his NFL career prematurely.
https://x.com/nfldraftscout/status/1752721512270885277?s=20
https://x.com/SXMCollege/status/1752734861763227972?s=20
All the negative reports coming out about Bo Nix is disappointing. I was hoping he would have a great Senior Bowl and become a viable option for NYG at 6 (I am assuming the top 3 are gone). I mean he could have a miracle turnaround tomorrow and at the game, but that seems unlikely at this point.
I am hearing he is looking like the Bo Nix of Auburn rather than the Bo Nix of Oregon.
Quote from: MightyGiants on January 31, 2024, 01:02:54 PMAll the negative reports coming out about Bo Nix is disappointing. I was hoping he would have a great Senior Bowl and become a viable option for NYG at 6 (I am assuming the top 3 are gone). I mean he could have a miracle turnaround tomorrow and at the game, but that seems unlikely at this point.
I am hearing he is looking like the Bo Nix of Auburn rather than the Bo Nix of Oregon.
I would never take Nix at 6.
Which QB is going to step up on Thursday?
Day 2 offered another opportunity for the seven quarterbacks in attendance to improve their draft stock. Unfortunately, it was another uneven day for the passers.
Potential first-rounders Bo Nix (Oregon) and Michael Penix Jr. (Washington) were inconsistent, as mentioned earlier today, and the afternoon portion brought more of the same. South Carolina's Spencer Rattler had a good day but was still plagued by inconsistency in terms of ball placement -- far too often passes were getting away from him and sailing on receivers.
Heading into Day 3, we're waiting for a quarterback to emerge as the top passer of the week. Penix has been the best in individual and team drills, but can that carry over as we see more pressure placed on the pocket in tomorrow's drills? There's a lot hanging in the balance for every passer here. -- Miller
Oregon quarterback Bo Nix might be the first Senior Bowl prospect to get drafted next April, but he had an underwhelming practice on Wednesday. Nix was exposed to taking snaps from under center and clearly he needs a lot of practice at this fundamental. Nix was bobbling some snaps and double clutching at the ball at times. Nix also had a shotgun snap fumbled away in the team scrimmage. However the struggles from taking snaps under center is really not Nix's fault as he was in shotgun all the time in college. NFL teams don't expect players to know something they haven't been taught and executed in the past, but Nix will need development to work under center at the pro level. The same goes for Michael Penix Jr and the other early round quarterbacks.
From a passing perspective, Nix had some good throws in the one-on-ones and team scrimmage showing accuracy in the short to intermediate part of the field. Some of his downfield throws were under thrown or not thrown quick enough. Washington State cornerback Chau Smith-Wade made nice play to intercept Nix on a downfield throw where Smith-Wade located the ball and undercut the receiver for the pick.
The wind conditions in Mobile provided further evidence that Nix does not have a powerful arm. His arm strength is average, so he and his pro coaching will need to compensate for that. Through two practices, Nix has not been played poorly but he has not been dominating by any means.
Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. showed a strong arm to cut the ball through the wind with velocity. Penix had some nice throws and then others with poor placement. At the pro level, Penix clearly needs development with his footwork and fundamentals to make him more accurate consistently. Senior Bowl has given proof of that. Penix looks like a day-two prospect that starts out as a backup but has the physical upside to possibly develop into a starter.
https://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2024practice3.php
https://x.com/tkyles39/status/1752758067140108626?s=20
Here's a good article on a couple of the QBs
https://www.patriots.com/news/senior-bowl-notebook-evaluating-the-quarterbacks-in-mobile-from-a-patriots-perspective
South Carolina quarterback Spencer Rattler had the best practice of any of the American team's signal-callers. Once again, Tennessee quarterback Joe Milton showed off a powerful arm, but he was terribly inconsistent. Rattler threw some strikes, including a perfect deep out to college teammate Xavier Legette for a big gain in the team scrimmage. Rattler also took off on a nice run in the scrimmage. Additionally, there was an ugly play on which Rattler fumbled the ball, dropping it when he was about to throw a screen pass. There is no doubt that Rattler has a live arm, athleticism, and a gunslinger's mentality. However, he must improve his decision-making and ball security. Hence, Rattler is more of a mid-round backup for the 2024 NFL Draft.
https://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2024practice4.php
2) Rattler finding his groove.
South Carolina head coach Shane Beamer attended practice Wednesday to watch and support his former quarterback, Spencer Rattler, and wide receiver, Xavier Legette, as they competed to improve their draft stock.
Like most of the quarterbacks on Day 1, Rattler seemed to be getting his footing underneath him, but he might have been the best of the American Team QB crop. On Wednesday, Rattler appeared to take the biggest step forward of the four American Team quarterbacks, showing more decisiveness, better decision-making and good ball placement. He even hooked up with Legette on a corner route midway through practice, one of a few nice connections between the teammates. It has been a very solid start to the week for Rattler.
Beamer coached Rattler the past two seasons after he'd left Oklahoma, and it hasn't been the easiest path to get to this point. Rattler first lost his job at OU to Caleb Williams, and after an 8-5 season for the Gamecocks in 2022, things didn't go as smoothly in 2023 during a 5-7 campaign.
Still, Beamer said Rattler has reason to hold his head high for how he played this past season.
"I was proud of him this season," Beamer told me. "We had some struggles on offense. We had six season-ending injuries on the offensive line and started two true freshmen on the offensive line in the SEC.
"But you never heard him complain. He had every opportunity to, but he didn't, and I think that earned the respect of his teammates."
Beamer asked Rattler to cut down on his turnovers from 2022, and he did just that -- going from 12 INTs to eight (on the same number of pass attempts) and from eight fumbles to six.
"Our entire offense (in 2022), not just him, we had way too many turnovers," Beamer said. "He'll be the first to tell you some of those were on him. Being smarter with the football, I thought he did a really good job of that.
"And then off the field, just the leadership aspect was big. He's a two-time captain for us, voted by his teammates. Under those tough circumstances, he stepped up, and it meant a lot to our program."
https://www.nfl.com/news/2024-senior-bowl-day-2-standouts-quinyon-mitchell-earning-his-way-into-cb1-conversation?campaign=Twitter_atn
https://x.com/TheDraftNetwork/status/1753124940520255584?s=20
https://x.com/SiriusXMNFL/status/1753138123892990400?s=20
Rattler keeps trending up
South Carolina quarterback Spencer Rattler had his best session of the week during the red zone 7-on-7s on Thursday. His most impressive throw came on a back-shoulder fade to Louisville receiver Jamari Thrash, resulting in a touchdown. Rattler fit the ball into a tight window for the completion. He is building on a strong Wednesday performance, flashing his strong arm and accuracy. I have Rattler -- who threw for 3,186 yards, 19 TDs and eight interceptions in 2023 -- in Round 4. -- Reid
Biggest takeaway of Thursday's early practice
We had waited all week for quarterbacks Bo Nix and Michael Penix Jr. to look like top-40 draft picks and live up to their hype as potential NFL starters. Well, on Thursday, we got it from both of them.
Nix really stood out, as mentioned earlier, with really good ball placement and much better anticipation when tossing passes to receivers. Penix had arguably the throw of the day with a beautiful jump ball in the end zone to Central Florida's Javon Baker, and then another dart to Luke McCaffrey in the back of the end zone.
If you watched the morning practice today, Nix and Penix looked like real-deal NFL starters. I'm walking away believing both could be starting games next year in the pros. I have Nix in the Round 1 mix, and Penix is right behind him in the early parts of Day 2. -- Miller
Could Nix go in Round 1?
Could Nix go in Round 1?
Oregon quarterback Bo Nix has been sharper on Day 3, showcasing the soft touch and accuracy that allowed him to throw 45 touchdown passes to just three interceptions this season. An AFC area scout also told me that Nix was the best interview he had sat in all week.
Nix was shaky to start the week of practices, as he acclimated to new coaches and new wide receivers, but he's building momentum heading into the weekend. He was compared to Jared Goff by an AFC quarterbacks coach I spoke to this week, and a top-15 draft pick is not out of the question. -- Miller
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/39395071/senior-bowl-practice-updates-top-2024-nfl-draft-prospects-qbs-risers-buzz
https://x.com/The33rdTeamFB/status/1753140931031941302?s=20
The coaches of the National team focused on red zone scrimmaging on Thursday and Oregon quarterback Bo Nix was superb in the condensed field. Throughout the practice Nix threw the ball extremely accurately with excellent ball placement. Nix got his practice started with a perfect strike lofting in a score to North Carolina wide receiver Tez Walker who got some separation from Penn State cornerback Kalen King along the back sideline of the end zone. Late in the practice he had a dart to the back of the end zone, and then dropped in a dime to USC wide receiver Brenden Rice who made a phenomenal catch despite excellent coverage from Notre Dame's Cam Hart. The throw by Nix and catch by Rice were perfect.
Throughout the red zone scrimmages Nix threw a serious of beautiful passes lofting his balls into tight windows in the back of the end zone and along with sideline. While Nix did not have an impressive practice on Wednesday, he was practically flawless to close out his practice week in Mobile.
Washington quarterback Michael Penix Jr. stayed consistent with his performance from the week with some nice plays and missed throws. Penix had some overthrows in the red zone with bails sailed too high for his receivers. In the team scrimmage he also held the ball too long taking a coverage sack from Oregon defensive tackle Brandon Dorlus. Penix also fired some nice passes into tight windows showing his ability to put velocity behind his throws. At the pro level, Penix clearly needs development with his footwork and fundamentals to make him more consistently accurate. Penix looks like a day-two pick that has backup to starter potential if he develops well at the pro level.
https://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2024practice5.php
I don't think he was at the senior bowl, so he probably heard this from someone at the Giants
https://x.com/GiantInsider/status/1753456218281054615?s=20
ESPN's Jordan Reid, NFL draft analyst just reranked the QBs for ESPN+ (their pay service) post Senior Bowl. I am assuming 1-3 are off the board for the Giants. So here are the interesting targets.
4. J.J. McCarthy, Michigan
Height: 6-foot-3 | Weight: 202 pounds
Class: Junior | Projected range: Round 1
Where he excels: The Wolverines placed more trust in McCarthy this past season and it paid dividends; he led them to their first national title since 1997. He completed 72.3% of his passes (sixth in the country) and was accurate to all levels of the field. His 88.2 Total QBR was third in the FBS. One of the more impressive parts of McCarthy's game is his efficiency on play-action, where he completed 76.3% of his passes (80 attempts) and took advantage of defenses selling out to stop the run.
I really like the ball placement that I saw on McCarthy's tape this season, too. He hardly ever forces his intended targets to work to haul in passes, putting throws within their body frames. He was off-target on only 8.1% of his throws this past season, finishing with 2,991 yards, 22 TD passes and 4 interceptions. And check out his third-down numbers: 67.1% completion percentage, 9.2 yards per attempt, 6 TD throws and zero picks.
Where he needs work: Lapses in decision-making plagued him in the past and he really needed to learn to live to see another day by throwing the ball out of bounds or hitting his checkdown to avoid bad turnovers. For the most part, he improved there. McCarthy threw three of his four interceptions in one game -- against Bowling Green in September.
The same questions we had about McCarthy going into the season still exist because of Michigan's run-heavy formula. How much more potential is there to uncover? McCarthy's usage in the Wolverines' system is why opinions are so mixed on his outlook at the next level.
Potential NFL team fit: Minnesota Vikings
5. Bo Nix, Oregon
Height: 6-foot-2 | Weight: 217 pounds
Class: Senior | Projected range: Late-Round 1/early-Day 2
Where he excels: Operating in an up-tempo hurry-up Oregon offense, Nix wins with a lot of pre-snap decisions. He forces defenses to come up and tackle in the underneath areas, making him the perfect passer for that offense, which aims to stretch defenses horizontally and pick certain spots to make throws downfield. Nix shows a high-level understanding of space reads and leverage, and he did a good job distributing the ball to the Ducks' playmakers. This past season, he threw for 4,508 yards with 45 touchdown passes and only 3 interceptions.
"He's been able to reinvent himself because it's an easier offense ... and they're loaded on the perimeter," said an NFC area scout.
On tape, there wasn't a more efficient passer in college football than Nix in 2023. He led the country in completion rate by almost 4% (77.4%) and threw multiple touchdown passes in all 14 games, surpassing Kellen Moore for the longest streak by an FBS player in the past 20 seasons. Nix keeps plays alive, too, with the scrambling ability to escape and gain positive yards when his initial reads aren't available. He had six rushing TDs in 2023.
At the Senior Bowl, his accuracy and decisiveness appeared in spots throughout practices. He wastes little time making decisions and getting the ball out.
Where he needs work: Nix's limitations are apparent on the more challenging downfield passes. While he's surgical in the underneath areas, he's hesitant to push the ball to the intermediate-to-deep spots. His 6.3 air yards per pass attempt ranked 120th in the country.
Scouts wanted to see how Nix could operate outside the Oregon scheme at the Senior Bowl, but it remains relatively unanswered. He was uneven throughout the week in ball placement and driving the ball.
Potential NFL team fit: Denver Broncos
6. Michael Penix Jr., Washington
Height: 6-foot-3 | Weight: 213 pounds
Class: Redshirt senior | Projected range: Early Day 2
Where he excels: The left-hander became the first player in program history to have at least 400 passing yards in three straight games to start the season, and he finished with 4,903 passing yards (most in the country), 36 TD throws and 11 interceptions over 15 games, with the team's lone loss coming against Michigan in the National Championship Game.
The Washington offense thrives on deep shots and with an FBS-leading 46 completions on passes of 20-plus yards, Penix has an explosive arm and a quick release. He is most comfortable playing within the framework of the offense and is at his best inside the pocket.
That arm strength was on full display at the Senior Bowl. The ball just exploded out out of his hand and he drove it to the outer portions of the field with ease.
Where he needs work: The biggest question raised about Penix will be his injury history -- two torn ACLs in his right knee and multiple injuries to his nonthrowing shoulder -- though he played in at least 13 games in both 2022 and 2023. A lot of evaluators saw him as a Day 3 player coming into the season but acknowledge that he will keep climbing draft boards as he distances himself from those injury concerns.
Outside of durability, scouts wanted to see how well Penix played when defenses knocked him off his initial launch point in the pocket. We saw those issues bubble up in the title game. He can easily scan the field and make throws from a clean pocket, but there are still questions about how he handles pressure. In 15 games, Penix was hit on 21.5% of his dropbacks (11th-least in the nation) and sacked 11 times. But when he gets outside the pocket, he completed 38.5% of his throws, 114th in the country.
Penix had a prime opportunity to impress scouts at the Senior Bowl, but it ended up being a week of highs and lows -- he didn't do much to change prior opinions. Yes, the arm strength immediately stood out, but his accuracy was inconsistent.
Potential NFL team fit: Las Vegas Raiders
7. Spencer Rattler, South Carolina
Height: 6-foot-1 | Weight: 217 pounds
Class: Senior | Projected range: Early Day 3
Where he excels: Rattler was among the best QBs in the SEC despite the team's 5-7 record. Watch the tape from his season-opening performance against North Carolina. Yes, he was sacked nine times, but he finished that game 30-of-39 (76.9%) for 353 passing yards. Then he had a strong first half on the road against top-ranked Georgia two weeks later, going 16-of-18 for 152 yards and a touchdown pass to help the Gamecocks to a 14-3 halftime lead. (One of the best teams in the country eventually came back, though.)
When Rattler is protected, he has excelled. He looked like a more decisive and consistent player this past season. With B-level arm strength to drive the ball, his confidence and comfort in the South Carolina scheme put him back on the draft radar. Rattler finished with 3,186 yards, 19 touchdown throws and 8 interceptions.
Among the Senior Bowl quarterbacks, Rattler probably had the most to gain. And after an underwhelming first day that included a bad interception, he rebounded and showcased a natural throwing motion and a live arm. The ball consistently came out on time. I still view him as an early-Day 3 prospect, but he's the most likely post-Round 3 passer to outplay his draft slot.
Where he needs work: The South Carolina offensive line struggled to find continuity, leaving Rattler pressured at a high rate (38.5% of dropbacks, 26th-most in the FBS) and taking 40 sacks (fourth-most in the FBS). And while he completed 54.1% of his passes under pressure (eighth best), he missed opportunities to get the ball out quicker by simply hitting hot reads or built-in routes to avoid incoming pressure.
Potential NFL team fit: New York Giants
8. Michael Pratt, Tulane
Height: 6-foot-3 | Weight: 220 pounds
Class: Senior | Projected range: Early Day 3
Where he excels: After Pratt helped Tulane to a huge Cotton Bowl win over USC last January, scouts were buzzing about him coming into the 2023 season. He was nearly flawless in the opener, going 14-of-15 for 294 passing yards and four touchdown passes against South Alabama. But he suffered a left knee injury in the fourth quarter that sidelined him for two games, returning against Nicholls in Week 4 but missing a good matchup against Ole Miss, which was costly. He closed his season with 2,406 yards, 22 TD throws and five interceptions over 11 games before opting out of Tulane's Military Bowl game.
The program's leader in career touchdown passes (90), Pratt has shown slightly above-average arm strength and seems to always be in control. His three-level accuracy and comfort in executing NFL concepts will be key components of his evaluation.
At the Senior Bowl, Pratt's accuracy and ability to layer the ball were consistent throughout the week. We also saw a smooth and fluid throwing motion.
Where he needs work: Pratt isn't able to escape when things around him begin to crumble, which means he has to improve in picking up those pressure points when reading the defensive structure.
Potential NFL team fit: Atlanta Falcons
https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/draft2024/insider/story/_/id/38496853/ranking-top-2024-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-hot-board-team-fits
https://x.com/jimnagy_sb/status/1753507232724000819?
Supposedly Carter Bradley has turned some heads. Not much expected of him and the scouts are all there to see the other guys. He's a 3rd day draft pick but apparently the Raiders and other teams have liked what they have seen enough to have some conversations with him. Everyone is trying to find the next Brock Purdy.
https://www.silverandblackpride.com/2024/1/31/24057471/raiders-nfl-draft-senior-bowl-quarterback-carter-bradley
I've never been a big believer in Rattler as much of a pro prospect, but I'm willing to reconsider my view. I will be keeping a close eye on him.
https://x.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1753507423229296818?s=20
NOTE- Penix declined to play in the actual SB game
* South Carolina quarterback Spencer Rattler was voted the game MVP for his work on the opening drive of the game. Rattler lofted in a pretty touchdown to Georgia's Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint for a score from about 30 yards. It was a terrific throw by Rattler to loft the ball into a tight window over Virginia cornerback Willie Drew. Rattler completed 4-of-4 passes for 65 yards and a touchdown.
Rattler has a strong arm and plus athleticism, and he is capable of making some highlight reel plays. However, he is short and must improve his decision making and ball security for the NFL. As a result he is more of a mid-round backup in the 2024 NFL Draft but Rattler possesses the physical tools to be a pro starter.
* Tennessee quarterback Joe Milton did not have an impressive week of practice and that carried over into the Senior Bowl game. In the second quarter Milton lofted a pass deep downfield but Oregon safety Evan Williams covered a ton of ground to dive in front of Cody Schrader for an interception. Smith-Wade had the second interception of Milton late in the fourth quarter. Milton is a mid-round backup and developmental project.
* Another quarterback who struggled was Notre Dame's Sam Hartman. He had a throw-away pass that he was lucky to not have ruled a fumble, and shortly later Hartman fumbled a snap that he was fortunate to recover. In the second quarter Hartman was picked off by Louisville cornerback Jarvis Brownlee Jr., as he made a superb adjustment and catch to snatch the pass. Hartman received a lot of playing time, but struggled to move the ball. Hartman looks like a day-three prospect to compete for a third string spot.
* Oregon quarterback Bo Nix is the favorite to be the first player drafted from either Senior Bowl team, and like Rattler, Nix did not play very much. On his second possession Nix made some precision passes to move the ball in the short to intermediate part of the field before throwing a short touchdown pass on third-and-goal to Minnesota tight end Berwyn Spann-Ford. Nix threw some accurate passes in the short to intermediate part of the field. While Nix does not have a cannon for an arm, he is an accurate and intelligent passer. Senior Bowl helped to verify that he could be a pro starter.
https://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2024recap.php