Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 01:34:21 PMI hear you, Tim, but the data simply doesn't support your sentiments; 6 of the top 10 most valuable franchise have stunk for 3 or more years...5 of the 6 have stunk for more than a decade; The Bill, Lions and Bengals are #30, 31 and 32. It's fairly clear winning has absolutely nothing to do with profitability. Concerning the PSL, the Giants could care less who buys thier tickets.  The NFL ticket exchange ensures they get a cut of ticket sales from all third party vendors. So, while some fans elected to forgo thier PSL(s), other fans have stepped in to purchase them, if solely for the purpose of reselling thier tickets via said exchange to make a profit.   

More to the point, the Giants marketing department does not care about throwing players a bone or winning games; their job is to sell tickets.  It really is that simple, my friend. I believe some fans conflate the entertainment side of the business with football operations; they're two separate things...

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Sorry, still don't buy that this flyer without Jones will generate more revenue, since you say that's the bottom line, than it would with him.

Quote from: Ed Vette on Today at 07:34:39 AMJackson can throw the ball downfield while scrambling and running or from the pocket and not get hurt to the point of losing a massive amount of time. 

Torn ACL, and several neck injuries have resulted in him not protecting himself by sliding or giving himself up. Not being available for 21 games out of 81 or 26%. All of his injuries are not from poor protection but poor judgment, stubbornness and too dumb to learn how to slide. 

That's a lot easier to do when you are playing behind a very good OL and not an historically bad OL.

https://www.playerprofiler.com/article/offensive-line-rankings-and-tiers-end-of-nfl-season-review-2024-offensive-line-outlook/

Quote from: uconnjack8 on Today at 07:21:50 AMI for one am shocked that this OL which yielded a historic # of sacks last year is rated the worst in preseason.

Hopefully the FAs they added can bring enough to the table to help bring this group to at least middle of the road.

I'm shocked too, in the same sense that Police Captain Louis Renault was shocked that there was gambling going on at Rick's in Casablanca.

The key word in your 2nd para is "Hopefully" as there seems to be a lot of hope triumphing over experience.

Quote from: Trench on Today at 12:19:36 AMCan you please point out where any of that it says "it is ALL on Jones"??

If not, please don't put words in people's mouths. There is not a fan on this forum who believes everything is Jones fault.

Geez, it's called hyperbole.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 14, 2024, 07:47:22 PMLet's see how he does this year in the pocket.

Let's see how long he has in the pocket before he has to start running for his life.

1st 2 games could be against rookie QBs.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 01:23:18 PMI get your point. I just don't agree with it.

Winning is the ultimate goal. You win, people want to see/pay for your product.

We have several members here who gave up their PSLs and tickets because of the piss-poor product that has been trotted out over that past 10+ years.

Despite the efforts to replace Jones, it would behoove the organization to have this kid's head on straight and his ego intact. Throw him a bone and show that the entire organization is behind him and he is the face of this franchise, at least for this season.

And, if not Jones, on the flyer, at least put the #1 pick up there. There's more hope about what lift he can provide the offense than what WDR can. Just sayin'.

I hear you, Tim, but the data simply doesn't support your sentiments; 6 of the top 10 most valuable franchise have stunk for 3 or more years...5 of the 6 have stunk for more than a decade; The Bill, Lions and Bengals are #30, 31 and 32. It's fairly clear winning has absolutely nothing to do with profitability. Concerning the PSL, the Giants could care less who buys thier tickets.  The NFL ticket exchange ensures they get a cut of ticket sales from all third party vendors. So, while some fans elected to forgo thier PSL(s), other fans have stepped in to purchase them, if solely for the purpose of reselling thier tickets via said exchange to make a profit.   

More to the point, the Giants marketing department does not care about throwing players a bone or winning games; their job is to sell tickets.  It really is that simple, my friend. I believe some fans conflate the entertainment side of the business with football operations; they're two separate things...

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#4 Giants
#5 Bears
#6 Raiders
#7 Jets
#8 Commanders

It would be presumptuous to put Nabers on the poster. The players on it currently are all they got to advertise right now.

Quote from: kingm56 on Today at 01:11:15 PMTim,

The Giants are in the entertainment sector; their job is to generate buzz for the sole purpose of selling tickets and/or merchandise.  I'm not entirely sure what rewarding players via a spot on a flyer has to do with those efforts. The Giants are a multi-billion dollar privately owned business, with an extensive marketing department.  I'm sure thier research discovered fans are excited about WDR protentional; thus, they chose to promote him over more well established players. Fundamentally, a football organization #1 goal is to generate profit, vice winning games.  The flyer is concerned with the former and not the latter.

I get your point. I just don't agree with it.

Winning is the ultimate goal. You win, people want to see/pay for your product.

We have several members here who gave up their PSLs and tickets because of the piss-poor product that has been trotted out over that past 10+ years.

Despite the efforts to replace Jones, it would behoove the organization to have this kid's head on straight and his ego intact. Throw him a bone and show that the entire organization is behind him and he is the face of this franchise, at least for this season.

And, if not Jones, on the flyer, at least put the #1 pick up there. There's more hope about what lift he can provide the offense than what WDR can. Just sayin'.

Quote from: T200 on Today at 12:55:00 PMI like WDR and hope he has his breakout season. But... what has he done to this point to warrant being on the flyer?

The Giants will go as far as Jones takes them. FWIW, IMHO, he should have been on there.

Tim,

The Giants are in the entertainment sector; their job is to generate buzz for the sole purpose of selling tickets and/or merchandise.  I'm not entirely sure what rewarding players via a spot on a flyer has to do with those efforts. The Giants are a multi-billion dollar privately owned business, with an extensive marketing department.  I'm sure thier research discovered fans are excited about WDR protentional; thus, they chose to promote him over more well established players. Fundamentally, a football organization #1 goal is to generate profit, vice winning games.  The flyer is concerned with the former and not the latter.