Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: kartanoman on Today at 05:21:09 PMYou, along with many here, have bore witness to life and experience, not merely on a national scale but an entire global, where your message rings even louder and more powerful.

To state that humans have never learned is to dismiss those who have given their hearts, their efforts and, sometimes, their lives, in the name of peace. I understand your global statement, and the frustration behind it, but we should never quelch the indomitable spirit of those who tried, even at the expense of their own lives, to further the cause for peace.

For I have known many who are honored on this day who gave of themselves not to answer the call of a draft card, but to answer the burning passion within them to make a difference in this world. For it this day we mourn their loss, but rejoice their cause, and their legacy will live on because they made a difference.

Peace!

Quote from: kartanoman on Today at 05:21:09 PMYou, along with many here, have bore witness to life and experience, not merely on a national scale but an entire global, where your message rings even louder and more powerful.

To state that humans have never learned is to dismiss those who have given their hearts, their efforts and, sometimes, their lives, in the name of peace. I understand your global statement, and the frustration behind it, but we should never quelch the indomitable spirit of those who tried, even at the expense of their own lives, to further the cause for peace.

For I have known many who are honored on this day who gave of themselves not to answer the call of a draft card, but to answer the burning passion within them to make a difference in this world. For it this day we mourn their loss, but rejoice their cause, and their legacy will live on because they made a difference.

Peace!

Agreed.  All respect for the heroes we honor today. 

Quote from: Jclayton92 on Today at 03:39:07 PMThey already benched Devito last year for Taylor so it's a non-issue.

LOL ok whatever.....Taylor had the best arm of the bunch but had decision issues.
I don't get the non-issue part though

Do you see Tyrod returning somehow?  The Buffalo guys loved Tyrod and grossly overpaid him

The bigger question is whether Daboll is a good HC period

That's what he was hired for

The jury is still out but leaning towards dismissal if further positivity is not provided

He needs to run the table this year, or at least earn a shot at the 8 ball

That gravesite photo cannot be unseen

Sad, Poignant, Unfixable

Its amazing that humans have never learned to drop the weapons and just enjoy their limited time on our planet as fellow residents on this beautiful blue marble.

Im old, have seen many epochs of war having somehow escaped the free trip to Vietnam (high draft lottery number).....I thought it (war) was dying down and yet its only gotten worse in this new century.  Heaven help us. Truly

Quote from: sxdxca38 on Today at 12:25:25 PMOnce again I'm sure you're a nice person in real life, but let's think about this.

The reason why Tom Brady was able to start at QB was because Drew Bledsoe got injured. If Bledsoe never got injured, Brady never wpuld have played.

If BB had started a 6th rd pick in Brady over Bledsoe in 2001 he would have been fired.

The same applies to Devito.

If Daboll and Schoen bench DJ for Devito, an undrafted player, and have him start the season and he fails it would be a fireable offense, and there is no way Daboll and Schoen would do that.

I completely agree with everything you said.
Its doubtful we ever see DeVito play in another regular season game as a Giant

Hence I should heed my own advice and yours and drop it

Jones is our man and heaven help us based upon his last seasons play
Ive never seen a QB decline like him.  Its as if we gave him generational wealth and he then went into cruise control mode.   what was he averaging 2-3 downfield passes per game?

Maybe this new guy will get in there somehow and live up to his pre-draft projections
one can only dream.   Tommy will likely never clear waivers

Quote from: MightyGiants on Today at 09:42:43 AMNo one, not ever Jones and the Giants can say how Jones will play (between recovery from the ACL and on-field inconsistencies).  So how exactly did you and the NFL network determine where Jones is ranked???

Personally I would have ranked him in the low 20s
They NFL.com, represent the league.  What do I know

When I saw they had Dak ranked #2 it did shed some shade on their opinions

I have Dad and Jones as relative equals.  Both are flawed

Thanks for this info

Confusing but explains a lot about the way rosters are created and sometimes good players let go

Roster management reminds me of those magicians keeping spinning plates aloft

NFL.com has Daniel Jones ranked 29th out of 32 probable starters in 2024.  How did we get in this mess?  With a 29th ranked QB your season is logically pretty much over before it starts.  Gettleman gave us Jones and followed up with Barkley.  Unless Jones re-invents himself he has to go as did Barkley before we can get back in the conversation.

Despite all this Im going into the season thinking playoffs. Somehow, someway we will overcome the problem

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-qb-index-ranking-all-32-teams-primary-starting-quarterbacks-at-the-end-of-th-x3120

Quote from: DaveBrown74 on May 26, 2024, 05:49:38 AMIf that happens, it won't matter unless he has meaningful success elsewhere.

Keep in mind that a year ago the Giants were the only team in the NFL that was interested in him.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 24, 2024, 07:10:13 AMI really don't see DeVito's comments as news.  Despite the coaching rhetoric about draft status being meaningless, when a team spends valuable draft capital on a player, it gives that player more stature.  It's likely been that way since the NFL instituted the draft.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 24, 2024, 07:10:13 AMI really don't see DeVito's comments as news.  Despite the coaching rhetoric about draft status being meaningless, when a team spends valuable draft capital on a player, it gives that player more stature.  It's likely been that way since the NFL instituted the draft.

Quote from: MightyGiants on May 24, 2024, 07:10:13 AMI really don't see DeVito's comments as news.  Despite the coaching rhetoric about draft status being meaningless, when a team spends valuable draft capital on a player, it gives that player more stature.  It's likely been that way since the NFL instituted the draft.

Lets hope that does not happen.  Do you really want to hang your hat on Jones and Drew Lock?   Last year I believe DeVito pretty much ran the team in pre-season.  He started 6-7 more games during the season.   In that respect he is our most seasoned QB using 2023  data. 

He looks the part out there.  Jones looked tentative and lost before injury. He. basically could not move the team downfield.   I have no idea what Lock brings to the party.

There is definitely a bias towards tall, strong QBs- Tom Brady, Josh Allen, Eli Manning types.  That overlooks the fact Joe Montana, Drew Brees, Dan Marino, and Fran Tarkenton were not overly tall and populate the top 10 QBs of all time list.

In todays NFL you sink or swim with the QB.  I'd prefer to not sink because of tall man bias.

I think DeVito should be the starter, not Jones or Lock

Those two have issues and should fight it out for the back up positions
Both guys have talent but have spotty to suspect NFL records

DeVito has poise and the it factor. The Dallas loss was a joke, and he was replaced after what I assume was an undisclosed
head injury from targeting by the worlds champs of targeting- New Orleans.  I wonder if they still pay bounties

Of course it matters not what anyone of us think.  Mara, Schoen, and Daboll will decide who plays

Jones may suprise us but after 5 years of futility its not looking good

The definition of insanity is to keep repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting different results

Jones would be a terrific change of pace against teams vulnerable to the QB run.

Jones has all the tangibles but seems shell shocked from all the pressure and sacks he's taken over the years

Reports are that Lock also has pocket poise issues

Only Tommy D seems to be able to remain calm in there whatever is thrown at him

If DeVito is exposed to waivers I suspect he will be taken in a NY minute, and I believe
NE will grab him.

Quote from: Ed Vette on May 26, 2024, 08:43:32 AMThis is what he does. Feel honored he even took the time. You bring this xxxx upon yourself with outrageous statements as the preponderance of fact. You do however, provoke discussion, even if it is to expose the lunacy. I have seen marked improvement and there is some wisdom tucked in there. So to that point keep up the good work. If you didn't exist, Rich would have to invent you.

Just teasing you, man. 🥸

Taken in good spirit

My critiques to the contrary Ed Im feeling good about this season.

Reasons-
 
- Schoen has had the time to wash many of the laggards out of the team and brought in talent
- Best 3 QBs we have had on the roster as a group since the Phil Simms days- real competition
- the team is young but more experienced than the past few years
- The RB position is open and I expect good rotation and thus less predictable than 50%     of the play to Barkley
- I expect Daboll to take more play calling control this season as his axe is on the line
- less brutal schedule than last year
- we cracked the Philly code last year and should do the same this with the Boys
- Best set of WRs and TEs since maybe ever

Caveat- We need huge upgrade in Special Teams- Have no idea what's going on there

Finally, We are due....time to at least reclaim the NFC East Crown

Go BLUE!!

Quote from: Painter on May 25, 2024, 01:23:58 PMIt would seem that there really is no need nor good reason for you continue to post here, wouldn't you say? This place is fast becoming little more than wet rag city.

Cheers! or maybe not.

Cheers to you
but no need to hurl insults my friend
Being a Giants fan can elicit frustration of late. I'll chalk it up to that
enjoy your day

Quote from: sxdxca38 on May 23, 2024, 06:37:08 PMHi,

Im sure you're a nice person and I mean you no harm by this, but you just predicted that Devito will be the next Tom Brady.

One of, if not the greatest QB of all time, are you sure you want to stand by this prediction?

By that I meant the NE starter and bring them back to relevance
He has the intangibles that made Brady good and its between the ears, confidence etc
His arm is also grossly underrated

We have never had much luck with QBs    Some have been good, none dominant in a Brady, Montana type sense

We will find a way to fumble Tommy D away- just watch

Quote from: Jclayton92 on May 25, 2024, 08:10:56 PMDevito carried a water bottle to the bench with him at the end of last season.

Don't quit your day job. 

This is a good thing.  Sonny Jurgenson was not athletic and thrived so I think you have to factor in talent.
Eli Manning moved around like he was pushing a wheelbarrow. 

Where are we on the relative talent scale?  Id say bottom third, to hazard a guess
but improving

Under Joe Judge I'd say we were bottom of the pack