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Tennessee Titans
Position: Defensive coordinator
Personal information
Born: December 9, 1986 (age 37)
Pickerington, Ohio, U.S.
Career information
High school: Pickerington Central
College: Georgia Tech
Career history
As a coach:
Georgia Tech (2009)
Student assistant
Georgia Tech (2010–2011)
Graduate assistant
Ohio State (2012)
Graduate assistant
Kennesaw State (2013–2015)
Linebackers coach
Houston Texans (2016–2017)
Defensive assistant
Tennessee Titans (2018–2020)
Outside linebackers coach
Tennessee Titans (2021–present)
Defensive coordinator
Beginning his coaching career with a decade at the collegiate level, Shane Bowen has spent all of his NFL coaching career in the AFC South, spending two years as a defensive assistant with the Houston Texans before joining the Titans in 2018. Initially starting life in Tennessee as the outside linebackers coach, Bowen was promoted to defensive coordinator in 2021 - a role he has occupied for the last three seasons.
It's fair to say Bowen made an immediate impact as a DC - and if you're a fan of a staunch run defense, you'll be pleased to know his units finished second in rushing yards allowed in 2021 (84.6) and topped the league in the same category in 2022 (76.9 yards).
Aided by Jeffery Simmons and co, Bowen presided over a defense that ranked third in third-down defense in 2022, allowing a conversion rate of 34.2 percent (77 of 225). He achieved this despite some significant personnel losses; the 28 total starters Bowen used on defense was the second-highest total in the NFL, and the 40 total players used on defense led the league.
After a downturn in 2023, the departure of Mike Vrabel as head coach has also prompted Bowen's exit from Tennessee
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Shane Bowen is in his sixth season with the Titans and his eighth season coaching in the NFL. He was promoted to defensive coordinator in 2021 after spending his first three seasons with the Titans as outside linebackers coach.
In his first two seasons as defensive coordinator, Bowen directed one of the NFL's stingiest defenses against the run and one of the best defensive units on third down. From 2021 through 2022, opponents averaged a league-low 80.7 rushing yards per game (2,745 total) against the Titans. In that span, Bowen's defense allowed a total of two individual 100-yard rushers—one in each season. At the same time, the defense allowed a third-down conversion rate of 35.4 percent (154 of 435), which ranked third behind the Buffalo Bills (34.1) and Baltimore Ravens (34.9).
In 2022, the Titans led the NFL in rushing defense for the first time since 2003, surrendering a league-low average of 76.9 yards per contest (1,307 total) for the second-best finish in franchise history (73.4 in 1960). The Titans also ranked third in third-down defense in 2022, allowing a conversion rate of 34.2 percent (77 of 225). The 28 total starters used on defense was the second-highest total in the NFL, and the 40 total players used on defense led the league.
In 2021, Bowen's first season as defensive coordinator, the Titans ranked second in the NFL in rushing defense (84.6). Only one individual rusher all season accumulated more than 70 rushing yards in a game against the Titans.
The 2021 defense tied for ninth in sacks (43), while outside linebacker Harold Landry III (12 sacks) and defensive linemen Denico Autry (nine sacks) and Jeffery Simmons (8.5) made up the NFL's only trio with at least eight sacks each. In the divisional playoffs, the Titans set a new franchise postseason record and matched the NFL postseason record with nine sacks against the Cincinnati Bengals.
Bowen's unit also ranked 12th in total defense (329.8 per game), sixth on third down (36.7 percent) and sixth in scoring defense (20.8 points per game) in 2021.
Landry, Simmons and safety Kevin Byard were all named to the Pro Bowl following the 2021 campaign, with Byard adding first-team All-Pro honors. It was the first of two consecutive Pro Bowl nods for Simmons.
In 2020, Bowen added defensive play-caller to his responsibilities as outside linebackers coach. The Titans defense ranked seventh in the NFL with 23 takeaways, which tied for the most by a Titans defense since 2013 (25). The Titans also tallied 15 interceptions, which ranked seventh in the NFL and the most by the Titans since 2012 (19).
With Bowen as his position coach for the first three seasons of his career, Landry totaled a team-high 19 sacks from 2018 through 2020. Other than Jevon Kearse (36.0), Landry produced the highest sack total by a Titans/Oilers player in his first three NFL seasons since individual sacks became an official NFL statistic in 1982. In 2020, Landry led the team with a career-high 32 quarterback pressures and a career-high 10 tackles for loss.
Among Titans outside linebackers in 2019, Landry (nine sacks) and Kamalei Correa (five) achieved career highs in sacks, while undrafted rookie Derick Roberson added three sacks.
In 2018, the Titans defense ranked eighth overall (333.4 yards per game), third in points allowed (18.9 per game), 10th on third down (36.6 percent) and second in the red zone (44.7 touchdown percentage). Bowen helped two rookies—Landry, a second-round draft pick, and undrafted free agent Sharif Finch—combine for six sacks.
Bowen joined the Titans after spending two seasons with the Houston Texans as a defensive assistant. In 2017, despite being beset by key injuries, the Texans ranked fifth in third-down defense and set a franchise record for fewest yards per carry by opponents (3.97). In 2016, he was part of a coaching staff that produced the NFL's top-ranked defense (301.3 yards allowed per game) for the first time in franchise history. The 2016 squad, which also gave up the fewest first downs (17.0) and second-fewest net passing yards (201.6) per game, won the AFC South Division and advanced to the Divisional Playoff Round.
Before joining the Texans, Bowen was hired by Kennesaw State University in 2013 as one of the first coaches to help launch the school's new football program. The team's first season was 2015, and with Bowen serving as linebackers coach, the Owls went 6-5 in the Big South Conference.
Bowen spent the 2012 campaign as a defensive graduate assistant at Ohio State. He assisted with the defensive line, a unit that produced two first-team All-Big Ten selections and the conference's Defensive Player of the Year, former Texans outside linebacker John Simon. The Buckeyes concluded the year with a 12-0 mark and ranked No. 3 nationally.
The 2012 season at Ohio State was the first time Bowen and current Titans head coach Mike Vrabel were on the same staff. They reunited from 2016-17 with the Texans.
Bowen began his coaching career as a student assistant at Georgia Tech after an injury ended his playing career during his junior season. He finished the year assisting with the linebackers before being named an offensive graduate assistant in 2010. He held that position for two years before leaving for Ohio State.
As a three-year letterman at outside linebacker for Georgia Tech, he started 10 games and had a streak of 38 consecutive games played. He helped the Yellow Jackets win Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) Coastal Division titles in 2006 and 2008. The team also played in three consecutive bowl games, participating in the 2007 Gator Bowl, 2007 Humanitarian Bowl and 2008 Chick-fil-A Bowl.
Bowen, named to the Dean's List three times while at Georgia Tech, earned a Bachelor of Science degree in business management in 2009, and a master's degree in workforce development and education from Ohio State in 2014. He is a native of Pickerington, Ohio.
He and his wife, Courtney, have a daughter, Harper Belle, and a son, Brooks.
Shane Bowen's Coaching Timeline:
2021-23: Defensive Coordinator, Tennessee Titans
2018-20: Outside Linebackers, Tennessee Titans
2016-17: Defensive Assistant, Houston Texans
2013-15: Linebackers, Kennesaw State
2012: Defensive Graduate Assistant, Ohio State
2010-11: Offensive Graduate Assistant, Georgia Tech
2009: Assistant Linebackers, Georgia Tech
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Hard to get excited about this hire when you know he was no better than the 3rd or 4th choice. All we can say is, "we'll see".
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Quote from: Gman329 on February 05, 2024, 06:51:02 PMHard to get excited about this hire when you know he was no better than the 3rd or 4th choice. All we can say is, "we'll see".
I can understand how you feel
I think he is an adequate hire . Nothing to get excited about but nothing to be a downer about . I was hoping for Brandon Daly . Anyone who has worked under Steve Spagnola in my mind would be a big plus
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 05, 2024, 07:04:07 PMI think he is an adequate hire . Nothing to get excited about but nothing to be a downer about . I was hoping for Brandon Daly . Anyone who has worked under Steve Spagnola in my mind would be a big plus
I looked at comments on a Titan forum. They don't dislike the guy, but there wasn't a lot of love for him either. As you say, he is an adequate hire.
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I really have no idea. I don't think it's really a complete analysis to look at the Titans' pass D rankings while he was there. For me it's more about performance relative to the talent he had to work with. Outside of one or two players (who weren't in the secondary) I feel like the Titans' D has been nowhere for a long time from a talent perspective. That's not really this guy's fault. He's a coach, not a scout or front office guy.
I feel like the Giants had a comprehensive process around this hire. I get that he may not have been their number one choice, but there were tons of other possibilities out there, so it's not like they put no thought or time into this. I have no reason to not want to give this guy a fair chance before I judge him.
Quote from: DaveBrown74 on February 05, 2024, 07:23:03 PMI really have no idea. I don't think it's really a complete analysis to look at the Titans' pass D rankings while he was there. For me it's more about performance relative to the talent he had to work with. Outside of one or two players (who weren't in the secondary) I feel like the Titans' D has been nowhere for a long time from a talent perspective. That's not really this guy's fault. He's a coach, not a scout or front office guy.
I feel like the Giants had a comprehensive process around this hire. I get that he may not have been their number one choice, but there were tons of other possibilities out there, so it's not like they put no thought or time into this. I have no reason to not want to give this guy a fair chance before I judge him.
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ok.
Until the meddling stops I don't see a true turn for the better.
Talent like Schoen is wasted when it has to adhere to constant "suggestion" "innuendo" and "opinion".
This coaching staff seems to have lost its nerve from its rookie season to the second and the unexpected turnover this offseason does not speak well. "Attitude reflects leadership"...there seems to be a lot of "getting mine" among the staff.
We used words like "rudderless" under Joe Judge. Is the leadership that much better today.
We need TRUE LEADERSHIP at the top of the football operation. Until then, this will continue to circle the drain.
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So he hired a compliant subordinate. A LB Coach whose Defenses struggled in Pass Defense in a Passing League. Why didn't they just hire Mike Vrabel?
I get the uneasiness in the room so I'll be the critic. But I'll keep an open mind.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 05, 2024, 08:53:09 PMSo he hired a compliant subordinate. A LB Coach whose Defenses struggled in Pass Defense in a Passing League. Why didn't they just hire Mike Vrabel?
I get the uneasiness in the room so I'll be the critic. But I'll keep an open mind.
Maybe I am incorrect , but wasn't he the DC not the LB coach? I guess Daboll , who I understand does the hiring , wanted someone who was already a DC . If that is the case why didn't he hire Leslie Frasier? I still wanted Brandon Daly .
Quote from: Brooklyn Dave on February 05, 2024, 09:55:49 PMMaybe I am incorrect , but wasn't he the DC not the LB coach? I guess Daboll , who I understand does the hiring , wanted someone who was already a DC . If that is the case why didn't he hire Leslie Frasier? I still wanted Brandon Daly .
Yes, a DC whose experience was as a LB Coach, micromanaged by Vrabel. At least the Run Defense will be shored up.
Our new DC is NOT a threat for promotion around midseason when the pressure is on for a change.
Safe, milquetoast hire, not a surprise at all.
Quote from: Ed Vette on February 05, 2024, 10:21:53 PMYes, a DC whose experience was as a LB Coach, micromanaged by Vrabel. At least the Run Defense will be shored up.
What evidence is there that Vrabel micromanaged him? I don't know where this notion that Vrabel himself is/was a defensive guru comes from. His sole season as a defensive play caller saw his Texans defense as league worst in scoring. Maybe Bowen was an alright coordinator in spite of Vrabel? If Vrabel was such a a great coach (with a barely .500 career record) why is he unemployed?
To be clear, I don't really care about the Bowen hire. I think the Giants played it relatively safe. But you could have said the same thing about the Wink hire and now people are bemoaning his departure. Simple facts are Bowen has piloted top defenses in the past. Quite possible he fails, but I don't get the reckless negativity.
I listened to a few podcasts this morning. Pat Traina interviewed a beat reporter for the Titans, and Nick and Dan went over the Xs and Os. Some thoughts/points
1) He's young, 37, with room to grow and improve
2) He ran a bend but don't break defense that struggled between the 20s but did well in the red zone
3) With the Titans he gave his DBs too much freedom
4) He had Jim Schwartz as a consultant when he was in Tenessee. That's a pretty good DC to learn from
5) With Schartz and Vabrel overseeing him, we don't know what he will do now that he is free to run his own defense as the true top man
6) He is likely to bring his own outside LB coach, Ryan Crow, to the team. Crow did a pretty good job developing edge talent
7) He was described by the beat reporter as a good but not a great coach
8) From all I heard he reminds me of Patrick Graham
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 06, 2024, 08:20:22 AMI listened to a few podcasts this morning. Pat Traina interviewed a beat reporter for the Titans, and Nick and Dan went over the Xs and Os. Some thoughts/points
1) He's young, 37, with room to grow and improve
2) He ran a bend but don't break defense that struggled between the 20s but did well in the red zone
3) With the Titans he gave his DBs too much freedom
4) He had Jim Schwartz as a consultant when he was in Tenessee. That's a pretty good DC to learn from
5) With Schartz and Vabrel overseeing him, we don't know what he will do now that he is free to run his own defense as the true top man
6) He is likely to bring his own outside LB coach, Ryan Crow, to the team. Crow did a pretty good job developing edge talent
7) He was described by the beat reporter as a good but not a great coach
8) From all I heard he reminds me of Patrick Graham
I involuntarily cringed and groaned when I hit this one. "Bend but don't break" is right up there with "prevent" in my list of things I hate. DBs giving 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 7 and we spend all year hoping to "hold them to three". Great.
Quote from: Gman329 on February 06, 2024, 08:40:30 AMI involuntarily cringed and groaned when I hit this one. "Bend but don't break" is right up there with "prevent" in my list of things I hate. DBs giving 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 7 and we spend all year hoping to "hold them to three". Great.
That is what I heard from Pat's guest and fans on a Titans forum.
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on February 06, 2024, 12:53:44 AMWhat evidence is there that Vrabel micromanaged him? I don't know where this notion that Vrabel himself is/was a defensive guru comes from. His sole season as a defensive play caller saw his Texans defense as league worst in scoring. Maybe Bowen was an alright coordinator in spite of Vrabel? If Vrabel was such a a great coach (with a barely .500 career record) why is he unemployed?
To be clear, I don't really care about the Bowen hire. I think the Giants played it relatively safe. But you could have said the same thing about the Wink hire and now people are bemoaning his departure. Simple facts are Bowen has piloted top defenses in the past. Quite possible he fails, but I don't get the reckless negativity.
I listened to a few podcasts this morning. Pat Traina interviewed a beat reporter for the Titans, and Nick and Dan went over the Xs and Os. Some thoughts/points
1) He's young, 37, with room to grow and improve
2) He ran a bend but don't break defense that struggled between the 20s but did well in the red zone
3) With the Titans he gave his DBs too much freedom
4) He had Jim Schwartz as a consultant when he was in Tenessee. That's a pretty good DC to learn from
5)
With Schartz and Vabrel overseeing him, we don't know what he will do now that he is free to run his own defense as the true top man6) He is likely to bring his own outside LB coach, Ryan Crow, to the team. Crow did a pretty good job developing edge talent
7) He was described by the beat reporter as a good but not a great coach
8) From all I heard he reminds me of Patrick Graham
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on February 06, 2024, 12:53:44 AMWhat evidence is there that Vrabel micromanaged him? I don't know where this notion that Vrabel himself is/was a defensive guru comes from. His sole season as a defensive play caller saw his Texans defense as league worst in scoring. Maybe Bowen was an alright coordinator in spite of Vrabel? If Vrabel was such a a great coach (with a barely .500 career record) why is he unemployed?
To be clear, I don't really care about the Bowen hire. I think the Giants played it relatively safe. But you could have said the same thing about the Wink hire and now people are bemoaning his departure. Simple facts are Bowen has piloted top defenses in the past. Quite possible he fails, but I don't get the reckless negativity.
In 2020 Vabrel didn't even have a coach with the defensive coordinator title. Bowen got the title the next season, but that seems like a strong indicator that Vabrel was very involved with running the defense.
Bowen does look more like Graham than Martindale.
The pluses for us are he continues a base 3-man front. He runs lots of nickel utilising three safeties (McKinney and Simmons might be higher priority to keep now?). He is very good at getting Edge guys against C/G using twists/stunts/loops and Titans were mid league on sacks. He always fields a good run D.
The things we will struggle with as fans is little blitzing, predominantly zone concepts and per their fans annoyingly passive pass D forcing few turnovers but he did not have a bunch of talent at his disposal so that might be more forced than preferred.
You can over simplify and say his D strengths are Wink's weaknesses and vice versa suggesting strongly to me that Daboll's issues with Wink went well beyond personality.
A point I saw on Twitter. Cowden used to work in the Titan' front office until 2022 and now works for the Giants. That gave the Giants some insights into their new DC and should give Schoen a headstart on the types of players Bowen likes.
I've been reading a couple of the Titans' message boards. Nobody was happy with this guy. It ranged from he's just ok to he needs to be fired. Complaints about third down Defense, Secondary coverage, and lack of adjustment during a game. They say the Defense was best when Schwartz was there overseeing him. Nobody was sorry to see him go.
He looks to be an inexperienced Pat Graham who needed support. Bend don't Break. Vegetable Lasagna.
Now he's on his own. The only support he will get from Daboll will be encouragement at the start until frustration kicks in and then the same 'ol Daboll. So this is a swim or sink situation.
Seems to me that Daboll strayed away from a former HC or experienced Veteran like Vic Fangio. Is it because he doesn't want another loose-cannon situation? Regardless, Although the Eagles brought in Fangio as a consultant in 2022, I don't see that happening here.
So what kind of defensive players will we need to add to make Bowen's 3-4 effective? Since he blitzes less and wants his DL/edge olayers to generate the rush, U think we will need a good 3 tech DT who can win at LOS and rush as well as stop the run. Believe we may also need to find another LB.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 06, 2024, 10:34:41 AMSo what kind of defensive players will we need to add to make Bowen's 3-4 effective? Since he blitzes less and wants his DL/edge olayers to generate the rush, U think we will need a good 3 tech DT who can win at LOS and rush as well as stop the run. Believe we may also need to find another LB.
Another edge rusher for sure along with that DE.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 06, 2024, 10:34:41 AMSo what kind of defensive players will we need to add to make Bowen's 3-4 effective? Since he blitzes less and wants his DL/edge olayers to generate the rush, U think we will need a good 3 tech DT who can win at LOS and rush as well as stop the run. Believe we may also need to find another LB.
It's tough to say for certain because we don't fully know what he will do on his own. However, the Giants will need to bolster their safeties (and, to a lesser extent, their CBs) because he ran a lot of nickel and dime with the Titans. The DBs will need to be strong run defenders and be able to handle man and zone. The blitzing ability of LBs and DBs will become less important. His edge rushers are likely to be lined up wider and asked to run the arc so you want edge rushers with that talent.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 06, 2024, 09:42:14 AMA point I saw on Twitter. Cowden used to work in the Titan' front office until 2022 and now works for the Giants. That gave the Giants some insights into their new DC and should give Schoen a headstart on the types of players Bowen likes.
I think you could have carried your point to a different and maybe better conclusion. Having Cowden on staff and hiring Bowen gives me alot more confidence than what a beat writer on a podcast or a random fan.
Also, this continued harping on the bend dont break defense really overlooks what good teans are trying to accomplish which is winning the game. In todays passing NFL, holding a team to a FG is considered a win by a defense. Its one of the reasons, why Belichick is still considered a defensive guru around the league.
Can Isaiah Simmons be an effective edge pass ruaher from 9 tech spot given how fast he is?
Quote from: Philosophers on February 06, 2024, 10:50:02 AMCan Isaiah Simmons be an effective edge pass ruaher from 9 tech spot given how fast he is?
That's interesting. I don't believe he was ever put at that position in AZ. His inability to shed blocks would seem to be a hindrance.
Quote from: Philosophers on February 06, 2024, 10:50:02 AMCan Isaiah Simmons be an effective edge pass ruaher from 9 tech spot given how fast he is?
He might also be a good safety option when they go nickel or dime packages
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 06, 2024, 09:26:35 AMIn 2020 Vabrel didn't even have a coach with the defensive coordinator title. Bowen got the title the next season, but that seems like a strong indicator that Vabrel was very involved with running the defense.
In the 2020 season without a DC, the Titans ranked 24th in scoring. The next season with Bowen as DC, 6th. If anything, there's a correlation between Vrabel helming defenses and underperformance. So I'm still not convinced that failing to get him is a miss or that Bowen is a bad hire. Milquetoast? Sure. But 2 months ago no one knew Dennard Wilson's name, and now failing to secure him is a most lamentable tragedy. I just am not going to get bent out of shape about most of this stuff when Bowen ticks most boxes... except "exciting," apparently.
Quote from: MightyGiants on February 06, 2024, 08:20:22 AMI listened to a few podcasts this morning. Pat Traina interviewed a beat reporter for the Titans, and Nick and Dan went over the Xs and Os. Some thoughts/points
1) He's young, 37, with room to grow and improve
2) He ran a bend but don't break defense that struggled between the 20s but did well in the red zone
3) With the Titans he gave his DBs too much freedom
4) He had Jim Schwartz as a consultant when he was in Tenessee. That's a pretty good DC to learn from
5) With Schartz and Vabrel overseeing him, we don't know what he will do now that he is free to run his own defense as the true top man
6) He is likely to bring his own outside LB coach, Ryan Crow, to the team. Crow did a pretty good job developing edge talent
7) He was described by the beat reporter as a good but not a great coach
8) From all I heard he reminds me of Patrick Graham
For those that want to see what Rich was listening to, the video is on page 2
Quote from: H-Town G-Fan on February 06, 2024, 11:50:04 AMIn the 2020 season without a DC, the Titans ranked 24th in scoring. The next season with Bowen as DC, 6th. If anything, there's a correlation between Vrabel helming defenses and underperformance. So I'm still not convinced that failing to get him is a miss or that Bowen is a bad hire. Milquetoast? Sure. But 2 months ago no one knew Dennard Wilson's name, and now failing to secure him is a most lamentable tragedy. I just am not going to get bent out of shape about most of this stuff when Bowen ticks most boxes... except "exciting," apparently.
My thought on this hire, is that we are in the "better to be lucky than good" situation. If it was about NYG correctly identifying and acquiring what they believe to be the best coaching talent, this isn't it.
Hiring all these Tennessee guys makes it really easy to transition to Vrabel if Daboll can't learn to play well with others.
Quote from: Gman329 on February 06, 2024, 08:40:30 AMI involuntarily cringed and groaned when I hit this one. "Bend but don't break" is right up there with "prevent" in my list of things I hate. DBs giving 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 7 and we spend all year hoping to "hold them to three". Great.
This is in essence the Graham philosophy
The dude was totally content at the end of the half giving up 3 points no matter what the score was .... We could be down 7 he's fine giving the 10 yard cushions on 3rd and 7 to put us down 10 Ala 2 scores
Or we could be up 3 points and he was fine going into the half tied
I really hope Bowen is not Graham 2.0 ....i hate bend don't break ....but as long he doesn't have the loser mentality of bending all the way and giving up 3 is considered a win
Bowen if you call a soft game just make sure your ultimate goal is to stop the team from scoring ... don't do that 3 point bs
People will bring up that sometimes Grahams defense didn't give up a ton of points .... But it was obvious because the opposite team knew Grahams philosophy... they took what they could get and actually used it to their advantage
I don't think it's fair to Patrick Graham to compare Bowen to him. At least not yet. Graham had a good 2020 season in a Covid year. He tailed off in 2021. Still he had slightly better seasons than Wink has as far as ranking in points and yards allowed.
The best Defense since 2004 has been Spags 2016 season where Gettleman spent 200 million in FA's who imploded the following season.
If Bowen has good players, I would expect his results to be no worse than Winks 2023 rankings. Wink was no miracle worker.
This guy certainly doesn't excite me at all after reading all this.
Most concerning is - will he make Thibs better?....without that we have a long long way to go before we can expect a top D
We could have Atilla the Hun as DC yet it won't matter if players tackle like tinkerbell. The state of tackling on the Giants is horrendous. From the shoulders on down I want the opposing offensive playmakers to think they've been hit by a semi. I don't care if we get flagged all the way down the field. Hit hard, clean, and INTIMIDATE.
Art Stapleton has a pretty good podcast on Shane. He interviews two Titans beat reporters
https://open.spotify.com/episode/5WvhyVPdD0Utaz1b5eJqyb?si=c095a82b445a47a9
Does the personnel match what he likes to do? Some of our CBs for example, are well suited for man coverage, is Bowen mainly play zone?
I have no idea, just wondering if they will need to jettison some players that don't fit the "system".
Quote from: files58 on February 07, 2024, 11:09:36 AMWe could have Atilla the Hun as DC yet it won't matter if players tackle like tinkerbell. The state of tackling on the Giants is horrendous. From the shoulders on down I want the opposing offensive playmakers to think they've been hit by a semi. I don't care if we get flagged all the way down the field. Hit hard, clean, and INTIMIDATE.
Agree 100% and I asked if it was coaching of the players just suck at tackling. Adoree seemed to be alergic to open field tackling and just prayed he could push the ball carrier out of bounds. Nukea of the Rams completely exposed his flawed technique. Hopefully Bowen fixes this.