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Quote from: JT39 on October 10, 2023, 10:27:32 AMI have a lot of ignored posters from when I joined the thread. Those are the only ones who consistently bash Jones. One page had two comments that weren't from them.

If you don't think there's a contingent here who's main goal is to bash Jones then we will agree to disagree.

If this is true so is the contingent here whose main goal is to bash the Offensive line and other offensive players who are not the QB.

Let's be real here we all have our own personal biases that we lean towards in these discussions.

Well played Sir

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 10:10:06 AMSevere is a matter of opinion, in your opinion (and the opinion of others) the criticism isn't severe, in my opinion (and the opinion of others) it is severe.

So we agree it's all opinion based about how we perceive what it is and that there isn't a right or wrong here?

Quote from: JT39 on October 10, 2023, 09:56:51 AMThe game threads are a wreck. My goal was not to post in it cause I knew the game would be ugly. Mighty isn't far off. Jones gets the blame from about 80-85% of the posts in it.

Offensive line gets just as many posts from the same individuals in the game threads.  Yet people aren't complaining about those individuals being harsh critics.  There is a sensitivity level when it comes to Daniel Jones that there isn't with other players and other units.

Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 09, 2023, 09:39:46 PMMaybe John Mara saw Daboll was getting too cocky...

Let's hope he's able to turn it around...

Mara needs to stay in his lane here.  I get he's upset that the prior three coaches he hired were train wrecks and Daboll is the first coach an outsider that wasn't one of his cronies hired.  He needs to sit back and let the people he hired to run football operations do their jobs while he sits in his owners box and watches.

Now let's do the consistent severe criticism of the offensive line and a player like Neal from the same people over and over.  Why is that ok but it's not ok when it's Daniel Jones?

Quote from: T200 on October 09, 2023, 10:17:27 PMI don't frequent other message boards but I'm curious if other fan sites have this much bickering over their players.

We're all fans of the same team yet the infighting is off the charts. I cram to understand. 

There's just as much bickering on Social Media as there is here over Jones.  It is actually more tame here than it is on Social Media.  But lets not ruin the narrative that is desired here that this board has the harshest Jones critics.

Quote from: babywhales on October 10, 2023, 09:06:37 AMOmg yes

Just seeing the various Giants social media threads it's as bad if not worse

People are :
Hypersensitive
Desire to be first to declare something
Desire to be correct
Desire to label others as pro or anti
Too invested in their opinion proving correct

Bad seasons always lead to this

You wait Tim, If giants draft a QB wait until he sits his first year behind jones and wait for the fighting that occurs then

 

I have a feeling that those who have defended Jones and believe in him will be the ones who will be quick to get on that QB they draft if he doesn't hit the ground running.  You also will have others that have been critical of Jones that will be overly patient and defend the new guy.  It seems to be how the majority of fans regardless of the sport or team behave.  It's the rather be right than the team win attitude.

Quote from: True Blue on October 10, 2023, 09:01:32 AMHow were Bobby Johnsons lines in Buffalo? I never paid their OL much attention but that could potentially gain some insight there.

I don't think a mid season firing is beneficial but in the offseason with time to work and have time to adjust? Absolutely

I don't think it could hurt even though it may not help things.  At this point think you have to try something.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:59:46 AMIn fairness, you and @Rambo89 spend like 90% of your posts bashing Jones (directly or indirectly) or arguing with people who don't share your negative views of Jones.  For two people who claim that they believe he is just an "average QB" that seems rather odd.  If you guys honestly believe he Jones is just an average QB, why the constant need to put the man down, especially when he is playing under what is universally considered very difficult circumstances?

Kind of like those who spend 95% of their time defending Jones (directly or indirectly) or arguing with people who don't share your positive views of Jones.  If you don't believe Jones is elite why the constant need to defend him and deflect from his own play especially after the Giants just gave him a big contract?

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:52:26 AMYou didn't answer my question, which I knew would happen, because you were making up strawman arguments.

As to your challenge, I think one (from you) will do

Doesn't look like that says Jones is a bad QB.  Not good doesn't say bad or imply bad.  But again we're using a strawman argument while accusing others of doing so.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:43:28 AMWhat works or is good for one team doesn't mean it will work for all teams.  Every team is different, with different schemes, different personnel, different coaching, and so on.  It's not wise, in my opinion, to look at another team and say, "it works for them, the Giants should do it."  This is the sort of misguided thinking that led to the Giants trying the tush push and getting JMS and Bellinger hurt.

Of course but it doesn't mean it can't ever work or work for the Giants.

Could also be that Feliciano meshes better with the rest of the 49'ers offensive line unit than he did with the Giants.  It goes back to the idea that chemistry with a line is just as if not more important than talent.

I remember prior to the 2022 draft there was the question of whether Thibodeaux would fit Winks system.  Maybe it is a case of him not fitting the system.  And it maybe why Wink is replaced after the system and a coordinator whose system fits the Giants personnel is brought in.

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:18:38 AMGreg,

Can you provide a link to just one post where a poster here at BBH said Jones must have a top 5 offensive line?   

Can you provide a link to multiple posters saying Daniel Jones is a bad QB?