Big Blue Huddle

Quote from: MightyGiants on October 10, 2023, 08:10:57 AMThey have PFF's 13th-ranked pass-blocking unit.  Safe to say, Mahomes is enjoying working behind a solid O-line.

Can we stick to the topic at hand, which is the Giants WR rotation?

This thread was arguing against a 5-6 man WR rotation.  It was pointed out that KC runs a similar rotation yet they have no issues in their passing game so it must be they have a great line because QB's are a product of their line, no?

Quote from: DragonSoul on October 10, 2023, 12:13:53 AMIt was obvious from the start, because you make it so easy. Keep at it! 

Yep keep up the Jones needs everything else around him to be at an elite level because he isn't

Quote from: Philosophers on October 09, 2023, 10:22:58 PMIn 5 games this season, Mahomes has been sacked 4 times.  Daniel Jones has been sacked 28 times and Tyrod Taylor 1 time.  Mahomes has never been sacked more than 28 times in a season.  You're almost saying blocking does not matter.  No QB can ever succeed long term without good blocking. 

You just made the point for me.

Quote from: GMenRF on October 09, 2023, 11:30:13 PMhttps://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-2023-offseason

PFF had us projected with at 29 and this is with the addition of JMS along with last year's performance.  We were garbage last year as far as the oline goes but we were 18th in total yards, 26 in passing and 4th in rushing, 18th in scoring on the first year of a new offense.  It wasn't good but at least we were competing and not getting the doors blown off by the second quarter.  Nowhere near the $hit show we've seen since the beginning of the season - and yes Thomas was playing in the first game.  So DJ does not need a top 5 o-line to be competent.  He just needs one to let him at least hit the top of his drop to at least make a read and throw the ball. 


How is it that with better skill position players the offense as a whole has fallen off the face of the earth.  I swear if these bums are not just dogging it out there or something else is the issue.  Because to be this historically bad as an offense is unheard of.

If it's not top 5 there will be complaints about Jones not having one.  Bottom line the supporting cast will never be good enough for him unless they completely prop him up.

Quote from: True Blue on October 09, 2023, 08:39:59 PMThe Chiefs have been rotating 5 WRs all season, no one seems to be complaining about Mahomes' top 7 scoring offense with a 4-1 record

Mahomes must have a great offensive line.  We've been told no QB can ever succeed unless they have a great offensive line.

Who knows better than the biggest Bozo of them all.

John Mara would sell the franchise before he let Schoen or anyone draft a QB to replace Daniel Jones

Well we've established here that the QB has no responsibility pre-snap other than calling for the snap so it's on everyone else from the linemen, coaches, GM, trainer, etc.

Quote from: Jclayton92 on October 09, 2023, 05:50:04 PMThose are rookies and 2nd year players not 5th year players....

Jones QBR the last 6 games

1. 54.2
2. 22.3
3. 38.2
4. 75.2
5. 8.7
6. 11.7


Jones is on pace for 2,652 yards 6 Tds and 18 Int but yeah let's blame the rookies.

You don't get it PFF grades are facts when they support the narrative you want.  When they aren't you look for other grades/stats like QBR.  And when QBR doesn't support the narrative you ignore it.  Think we all need to understand how these things work.

Quote from: DragonSoul on October 09, 2023, 06:27:42 PMExactly. No matter who the QB is, if that line isn't fixed from dead last to 15-20 range, it won't matter. Then the same old song and dance will come out. We need ANOTHER new qb. Unless of course the QB that was taken they have a man crush on, then they will give them till the end of time.

Grass is not always greener & I agree the Oline & ST coaches needed to be fired last year. No excuses. Those two areas are the worst and for some reason so if the wr group. Catch and drop, catch & fall right down, barely getting separation. Then again, that can be partially the line not holding up to give them time.

They have similar wr speed as the Fins and there is nothing there. Maybe it is the play calling as well.

Offensive line needs to be in the 1-5 range for Daniel Jones anything less is unacceptable. 

Quote from: JT39 on October 09, 2023, 06:42:34 PMWho's asking for perfect?

Can we at least see league average first?

Average wouldn't be good enough for Daniel Jones.  He needs perfect anything less than it's unfair to him.

Quote from: HondurasGiants on October 09, 2023, 06:11:17 PMLike it or not...our management evaluated enough to give him a $40M per year contract (albeit with a 2-year out).

We NEED to evaluate him as our franchise QB...with a functional OL and respectable weapons.

IMO 10 games will help in the process.

Question wouldn't that evaluation of him as the franchise QB taken place prior to handing him that contract?

Quote from: JT39 on October 09, 2023, 06:07:54 PMI think Mighty says it better than me. If we have an opportunity to upgrade from Jones - you do it. But it's hard to evaluate anyone when you are constantly pressured, hit, and sacked. I just posted a stat that we are in pace to be pressured more than 100 times than anyone last year.

Those not placing the majority of the blame on the OL can't answer why we can't run either. 21 carries for 46 yards from our RBs last week.

We can say we brought in more weapons but we didn't. Waller had chances to make a few plays and failed. Slayton had a chance to make a sideline go route but didn't give him enough room on the sidelines to catch the ball.

It's never ending. The talent on the team is awful whether you include the QB or not.

But why upgrade from a QB that is so great in Daniel Jones and it's just his supporting cast that isn't good?  If you are of that belief then I don't know why you wouldn't do that.  I mean if it's all on the offensive line and weapons why not just spend the Top 10 pick on a WR or another linemen?

It all depends upon when Barkley, JMS and Thomas return and the severity of Jones's injury.  If Thomas is out the rest of the way or only plays the last month or less of the season then I can't see them winning more than a game or two the rest of the way.  If they get all of them back then I can see them ending up with 5-6 wins.

Quote from: JT39 on October 09, 2023, 05:19:10 PMI didn't lie. Lol. You asked me a question I can't answer. So you want me to answer something I don't know? Way to start a civil discussion!

That's not what you said with this response.

Quote from: JT39 on October 09, 2023, 05:14:20 PMI answered it twice. You just didn't like my answer. That's a you problem.

Can't have a civil discussion without honesty.

Quote from: JT39 on October 09, 2023, 05:21:00 PMAnd this isn't a personal attack?

Time for me to leave this thread. The civil discussion ended about 25 posts ago.

Might want to go back and look at the post I was responding to of yours that started with the attacks.